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Old 11-22-2014, 05:40 PM   #1
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Even the Michelins struggle in the cold...

So, I decided to drive my 1LE to work on Tuesday instead of driving my truck, even though it was 26 degrees F out.

After taking 10 min to get to Interstate 40 from my house, I was accelerating through 2nd gear up the on ramp to the interstate. It is a 65 zone, but most folks do 80. At 60 in second gear I punched it to try and merge quickly. To my astonishment, the rear wheels lost traction and I slid into the next lane.

Had to change my shorts when I got to work. Even though these Michelins don't burst in the cold like the Goodyears are reported to do, they still need quite a bit of heat before you can get on her...

Lesson learned. Either drive Little Red like an old lady when it is below 35F, or take my Silverado...
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Old 11-22-2014, 05:53 PM   #2
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Cold weather is always a bad recipe for disaster with the wrong tires. I wouldn't try aggressive moves with my car unless I know for sure the tires are rated for the condition. If you're driving on MPSS, they are still summer tires.
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Old 11-22-2014, 05:54 PM   #3
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Even worse in the snow .
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Old 11-22-2014, 06:33 PM   #4
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Curious, what stability control setting were you in?
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Old 11-22-2014, 06:45 PM   #5
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You're young, huh?
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Old 11-22-2014, 06:58 PM   #6
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Curious, what stability control setting were you in?
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I'm very curious as well.
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Old 11-22-2014, 07:03 PM   #7
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I almost went with PSSs but went with AS3s. They are waiting to be installed. Now when I install my SLP 500whp may actually be somewhat manageable as long as there is no snow on the ground.
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Old 11-22-2014, 07:03 PM   #8
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It should be noted, that the Good Years lose traction badly, even when 10C (45F), my main point being, above freezing point, as opposed to the OP's sub freezing point.

I've lost traction in 2nd badly with full traction control on, even a bid of skid in 3rd, at 40F-45F range, with the OEM Good Years.

The OP SteveV is reporting significant sub freezing point, which seriously is game over for any summer tire.

I seriously doubt the Michelins would have lost it as badly as the Goodyears at 10C above freezing point, is my main point here. Or do they???
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Old 11-22-2014, 08:33 PM   #9
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I've been experiencing the exact same issues. Good thing down here in El Paso it doesn't snow, but below 50F my tires have very little traction the car even shakes if you slight push the gas...
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Old 11-22-2014, 09:12 PM   #10
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Curious, what stability control setting were you in?
Full on. I didn't touch the button that day.
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Old 11-22-2014, 09:15 PM   #11
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You're young, huh?
Yeah, 47 years young.

I just hate it when people merge on the highway slower than me. So, I choose not to be a hypocrite. I try to ensure I am up to traffic speed before I merge.
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Old 11-22-2014, 11:12 PM   #12
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40 degree weather with traction control on will spin my used up Goodyears all the way from rolling in 1st through second on mine. I know it is worse in Comp mode. Gives me an idea what a ZL1 must be like all the time.
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Old 11-23-2014, 05:40 PM   #13
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I'm glad you were not in an accident. These cars are really not made to be driving in near or sub freezing temps. It's been in the upper 40s here in the mornings and I can notice a big difference with the PSS tires, especially the rear tires' ability to grip. It's much harder for me to break traction when the tires are cold with these that with Goodyears. To be fair, had you had the stock tires, you would not even be able to drive it at that temp or risk getting a blow out.
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Old 11-23-2014, 06:12 PM   #14
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The cold and rain plays hell with my tire pressure sensors too. Car keeps telling me that all my tires are at 26, checked and each one was at least at 30. Always having trouble with them, very annoying.
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Old 11-23-2014, 07:47 PM   #15
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I removed the Goodyears after my first autocross event. Drove the car to Optima Challenge in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago and discovered how bad it could be. I really was not expecting the disaster that it was. I am WAY happier with the PSS, ran a small autoX with them the next week and it was amazingly better PSS for me!
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Old 11-24-2014, 12:28 AM   #16
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PSS are way better than stock good years in the rain. It was down right scary to drive the good years when large amount of rain fell quickly. With PSS in same scenario, it was much like regular cars where if you hit a huge puddle it is scary with any car, but normal driving was great.
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Old 11-24-2014, 04:59 AM   #17
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Saying even a high performance summer only tire has trouble in the cold is like being surprised blizzaks aren't optimal for a track day.
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Old 11-24-2014, 02:22 PM   #18
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My car with the EForce blower, headers, and 560 whp and 520 ft lbs of torque on tap hooked very well in 1st and 2nd gear even down to 45 degrees with the MPSS. THe good years didnt have a chance in either gear when below 55 degrees. Below 45 degrees, 3rd gear would step sideways with the good years.
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Old 11-24-2014, 04:20 PM   #19
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In defense of the Goodyears ... they are an entirely different classification of tire than the PSS' and the PSS doesn't stand a chance on a track against a warmed up G2.

Both are considered "summer" tires and will get hard and lose traction in the cold.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:13 PM   #20
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Even though these Michelins don't burst in the cold like the Goodyears are reported to do, they still need quite a bit of heat before you can get on her...
Very true. And for that, 10 minutes worth of street driving won't be worth squat.

Sunday the 16th I was running my MPSS at a track day with ambient temperatures in the mid 40°'s and a pavement temperature of maybe 48°F. I could clearly feel the reduction in grip in the first hundred yards running down pit lane for session 1 at nowhere near WOT. It took a good three laps - over 8 minutes at a pace gradually increasing up to "fairly brisk" - before I felt I could get serious. Even so, the tail still stepped out a little, just once, toward the end of that first session.


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Old 11-25-2014, 10:08 AM   #21
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26* weather + 2nd gear 5K RPM hit = loss of traction /shorts changing experience.

Yeap, sounds about right... Lol
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Old 11-25-2014, 02:35 PM   #22
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The cold is making me drive like a Maw Maw, no offense to Maw Maw's out there. But, my MPG's have gone up. By the end of the summer, I plan on MPSS!
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Old 12-03-2014, 04:59 PM   #23
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After the article about the guy who lost it and hit a guardrail on the highway with bad consequences, I'm driving like a non-pasadena granny in the rain. :-P But it's been raining heavily here and I've tested out traction a few times and I am VERY impressed by these PSS tires in the wet.
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Old 12-03-2014, 05:11 PM   #24
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2nd gear going 60 and you punch it?of course you lost traction.
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Old 12-03-2014, 05:54 PM   #25
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The cold is making me drive like a Maw Maw, no offense to Maw Maw's out there. But, my MPG's have gone up. By the end of the summer, I plan on MPSS!
And you'll do almost as poorly. MPSS' are a summer-only 300 tread-wear tire. While they won't be AS bad as the G2s, they will be very very bad.

I've got my new winter wheels on order and when they come in, they'll be shod with AS/3 all-seasons. While all-seasons don't have a soft-enough compound, nor the correct tread block size and patterns to really handle snow, the compound they do have is often resistant to hardening in cold temperatures which is the environment I plan on using them in (cold temps, no accumulated snow). True snows would be another good option but would wear out very quickly in my area since there are only a handful of days per year that I truly have to drive on snow (and I have an AWD SUV with dedicated snow tires for that). So all-seasons for me.
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