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Old 08-25-2008, 11:16 PM   #205
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ChevyDude, it's good to have you on the other side of this conversation. You really are very skeptical, and that makes your arguments that much stronger.
yeh ...you can only be honest with your assessments....even if its your side or your team you have to have intellectual integrity and tell it how it is even if it hurts feelings. You gotta shoot for the stars so you can land on the moon...and it looks like thats exactly what gm did with the camaro in my honest opinion
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:17 PM   #206
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I see a little more different than the halo's:
1) Grill

Legit. Its either love it or hate it. I like it, but I can certainly see how some people are disappointed.

2) Mirrors

Because the car you have right now has too much visibility?

3) Rear quarter panels

Assuming you're talking about the vents, also legit. I think most people wanted them cut out.


4) height

Man, I'm sooo moving up to the Pacific Northwest. The speed bumps around here don't automatically flatten any time a lowered car comes along like they apparently do up there. Awesome!

5) hood length (concept look longer)

You're just looking at different angles. I'm pretty sure they're just about identical.

6) overall car length (concept look longer ... like a Jaguar)

If you were looking for a luxo land yacht, well you were looking in the wrong place. Overall length hasn't changed much if at all from the concept though, so that's just a perception issue.

7) not as sharp -- Look at cartoon drawing. Bad guys are drawn with sharp edges and points (like the concept). Good guys are drawn with rounded features (like the production). The differences are subtle, but important IMO.

Yeah I'm totally lost. I just don't see the changes.
See remarks above in red. Besides the front end of the SS and the rear vents not being cut out, I don't see any changes that weren't obviously going to happen between concept and production.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:17 PM   #207
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Hey Kevin,
Do you know how long the Camaro will be up there in the Spring Mountains??
I'm not too far from there.
It left that Friday morning -- it is receiving a 'refresh' and will be shipped overseas to another autoshow.....
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:19 PM   #208
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well -- we learned a long time ago (unlike some people we won't mention....) that there is this thing called a "Dyno" -- and if you advertise a horsepower, you'd better be SURE you can deliver.


If we advertise 422hp -- you can write it in Granny's Bible that all cars will have at least 422 hp with that particular engine.
Wow that was an exceedingly straightforward answer. I'm actually a little disappointed there wasn't a fun cryptic message to agonize over. OK I'm over it.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:19 PM   #209
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Actually, 40k is what I got from the dealer for an idea on a SS prior to our build list meeting. Was hoping for the lower, but the build lists do not start here till October.

OK -- repeat after me: NOT $40,000 !

The dealer is guessing. We have not announced pricing and we don't intend to until around the first of the year.

NOT $40,000 -- this car will be very affordable.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:25 PM   #210
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I like those base headlamps SOOOOO much better than the halos. RS package is not for me - yay less money to spend!
Really? I respect your opinion, but when I look at the non-halo headlights they just looks mundane and cheap to me. They actually look no more high class than those on my Aveo...
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:27 PM   #211
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ok so if the RS/SS keeps the same bumper as we see here. then what does it get other than halo ligts?
Darker tinted taillights and darker colored wheels. That's it (at least that's all they've released as being part of the RS on the SS).
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:27 PM   #212
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Wow that was an exceedingly straightforward answer. I'm actually a little disappointed there wasn't a fun cryptic message to agonize over. OK I'm over it.

wellllllllllllll..........


.................actually there IS ....


If you read it "sideways" -- it says "Elvis is alive and well in East Jepip, Iowa"....






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Old 08-25-2008, 11:28 PM   #213
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:30 PM   #214
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Really? I respect your opinion, but when I look at the non-halo headlights they just looks mundane and cheap to me. They actually look no more high class than those on my Aveo...


Interesting that some people see things one way and some another......

The base headlamp is a reflector optic lamp -- which means very good light coverage at a reasonable price. (go check out a 98/02 Firebird versus a 98/02 Camaro -- try 'em both out at night while in a dark parking lot.....-- you'll see what I mean...)

The Halo headlamps are expen$$ive -- and it's crucial that we bring this car in at a very reasonable price.

Headlamps must perform -- but it's also a feature that some don't care about........just as long as they perform well at night!............so it makes sense to include them in the RS package.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:32 PM   #215
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Love the MAC Drag and drop no playing around with "right click back slash period sideways thing" to get a pic to drop to the desktop. MAC'S RULE
Right Click, Save As, Name the Image if you so choose and hit Enter. That's hard?

The person I live with has a Mac and I find most things have to be done the 'long way' on it compared to my PC. That's from his explanation and watching him doing it, not my playing with it. It would take me even longer. I hate it so won't touch it. LOL

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Old 08-25-2008, 11:34 PM   #216
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Any word on the 5th gen lineup in Indy? Can you disclose that?

Since I'm on a roll, how bout a free trip to Indy. Call it a surpise internet secret sweepstakes and I'm the winner to be announced at a later date.

That should work right? I can get coffe from Starbuck's like no one else.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:36 PM   #217
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Actually, 40k is what I got from the dealer for an idea on a SS prior to our build list meeting. Was hoping for the lower, but the build lists do not start here till October.
Pricing won't even be released until sometime in December. The dealers know no more than the rest of us in that regard.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:39 PM   #219
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I see a little more different than the halo's:
1) Grill
2) Mirrors
3) Rear quarter panels
4) height
5) hood length (concept look longer)
6) overall car length (concept look longer ... like a Jaguar)
7) not as sharp -- Look at cartoon drawing. Bad guys are drawn with sharp edges and points (like the concept). Good guys are drawn with rounded features (like the production). The differences are subtle, but important IMO.
The changes are there, sure, but they are extremely subtle. There isn't a single change from concept to production that can be classified as 'drastic' by any stretch of the imagination.

Regarding the side mirrors, imo the production mirrors are much better looking. The Concepts were too slim and tiny even for the concept.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:41 PM   #220
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What was the reasoning behind making the V-6 and V-8 so similar? They both look great obviously but a few additional differences would have been nice. At least different wheels (I know they are a slightly different finish but the same design more or less) or the option for different wheels

Yes I know we can customize them and many will it just seems most manufacturers seperate the base and top model a bit more. Was it purely from a cost perspective to allow for the LS3, brembos etc? If so I can live with that. I'm sure you will have plenty of GM parts for me to buy.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:42 PM   #221
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Hot damn... cross drilled rotors.
Boy do I ever hate being the bearer of 'bad' news. What you saw was the Silver concept.

1) look at the interior panels
2) look at seats
3) look at rims
4) if that doesn't convince you...look at the vents.

But here's some silver lining - you thought the concept was production! Just like Scott said we would. Drastic changes, indeed!

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What was the reasoning behind making the V-6 and V-8 so similar? They both look great obviously but a few additional differences would have been nice. At least different wheels (I know they are a slightly different finish but the same design more or less) or the option for different wheels.
The wheels on the Red and Yellow V6 cars are RS-specific wheels. So you'd have to pay extra for those; I don't think that's too bad. The standard V6 rims will be unique, and definitely different from the SS.

And I assume you want the SS, right? Well....those who want the V6 models don't want - and shouldn't get - a dumbed down car. That would kill the appeal of it from the get-go. But then, imho, there's very little to improve upon without wholly changing the design of the car.
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