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Old 02-12-2007, 12:58 AM   #51
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hey, Marosolid... why would you consider the G5 and not the Cobalt in anything but SS trim? you know they're the same car, right? just dont like the regular Cobalt's looks?

seriously, though, I'm trying to convince my Dad that he can get alot more car for less money by buying a Chevy Cobalt instead of a Toyota Corolla... and, as said before, its buying American... and I define "buying American" as buying a car built in North America that is made by a Company that is based in the United States.
I like the cobalt. I talked my little brother into buyin one last year. That's really the only reason I dont want one. Check it out Big Brother (me) bad ass maro Little brother stock cobalt. He would be pissed if I got anyway. Mine would be all custom and his......well would be STOCK.
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Old 02-12-2007, 08:18 AM   #52
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American products are made all over the world now and our hard earned dollar does not completely stay here. Same w/ buying Toyota. Sure, you might be helping your family that works there, but you are putting even more money in the executives pockets that own the company. Toyota (and other foreign car co's) are given MAJOR tax breaks for building their assembly factories here. GM pays hundreds of millions per year in taxes for their factories. Toyota was given something like a $200 million tax break for building in San Antonio. Now, who's pockets are getting lined more in this situation?? So, buy what you will. Your direct deposit into the hands of the foriegn automaker does nothing to guarantee your family security in the long run. Imagine losing the big 3 to Toyota and Honda....hundreds of thousands of jobs lost....retirement plans canned....no medical benefits to be paid....families suffer. Toyota and Honda say they will open new factories here...if they pay NO taxes and pay minimum dollar for factory workers while putting all of our money back into their economy.

Go ahead and purchase Toyota if you wish. That WILL help your family in the present. Meanwhile, there are thousands of other families that depend on the american dollar to keep their american factory open. Don't buy american and we close our factories. I don't have to tell you the detrimental affects this will have on our economy.

You have a choice...put your money into american made, or foreign made. Putting it into american will guarantee the livelyhood of our county in the long run. Buying into foreign will guarantee your family the present. That is how I see it and THAT IS MY OPINION.
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Old 02-12-2007, 08:43 AM   #53
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does anyone remember the nova II and the toyotal corolla of the same years? wasn't the corolla just a rebaged nova II or vise versa? but yet the corolla killed the nova II in quality awards. . .go look it up. lol. I'm sure it's true. if not I will look it up in a few.
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Old 02-12-2007, 08:48 AM   #54
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In 1985, the Nova name was applied to a rebadged Toyota Corolla (with trim options from the Toyota Sprinter line) that replaced the Citation and was produced at the NUMMI plant in Fremont, California, as an historic first joint venture between General Motors and Toyota. 1988 was the last year for the Nova nameplate on any platform; its replacement arrived in Geo-Chevrolet showrooms as the Geo Prizm the following year.
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Old 02-12-2007, 10:25 AM   #55
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does anyone remember the nova II and the toyotal corolla of the same years? wasn't the corolla just a rebaged nova II or vise versa? but yet the corolla killed the nova II in quality awards. . .go look it up. lol. I'm sure it's true. if not I will look it up in a few.

What happened 22 years ago has absolutely nothihg to do with TODAY's quality numbers from GM. You need to look up JD Power stats from the last 3 to 5 years. You'll find GM has surpassed many imports in first time quality.
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Old 02-12-2007, 04:41 PM   #56
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What happened 22 years ago has absolutely nothihg to do with TODAY's quality numbers from GM. You need to look up JD Power stats from the last 3 to 5 years. You'll find GM has surpassed many imports in first time quality.
I understand this my point was to show that the media is extremely biased against american. it was back then and it still is today.
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Old 02-12-2007, 07:05 PM   #57
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You mean like the new '09 Camaro will be made in Canada? Just food for thought.
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:37 PM   #58
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W/ approx. 74% of the parts being made domestically...then shipped to Canada for final assembly....according to the article on parts content being made dom/foriegn.
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Old 02-13-2007, 09:42 AM   #59
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does anyone remember the nova II and the toyotal corolla of the same years? wasn't the corolla just a rebaged nova II or vise versa? but yet the corolla killed the nova II in quality awards. . .go look it up. lol. I'm sure it's true. if not I will look it up in a few.
How does this happen, they ran down the same assembly line. Is it people just WANT to believe toyota is better?
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lol I have no clue. all I know is it scored higher. just biased. . .like hp and compaq. I know people that hate compaq but love hp. . .and they are the same company. . .it's weird.
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Old 02-13-2007, 06:55 PM   #61
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Unfortunately that is the case. Most people out there are either under the influence of the 80's when American cars weren't that great, or they are being told by those people: "oh this car will hold its value better, or oh this will keep my daughter safer...etc.". I was just told last week by some 45 year old woman that I work with that she's going to buy her daughter a Toyota because the airbags are better and will keep her safer. My good friends bought their new Toyota ONLY "because it holds it's value better" (they hit a deer with the last Toyota they had, I'm sure the impound said, "A Toyota, well, that's a different story here's 1000 more dollars")

To top my story off - My own Mother believes that ALL American automakers will be Dead within 20 years. (sigh) I don't know why people would want to believe that foreign cars are higher in quality than ours, I don't think I ever will . Don't get me wrong though, if a Toyota feeds your needs then by all means get one, but not because it's "airbags are better"....:o

I am a perfect example of the Camaro Ethnicity debate. I am 50% Italian Stallion, and 50% mutt. I ignore the "mutt" part, and tell everyone who asks that I'm Italian. I was also born in a different state, but I consider myself a New York-er. The Camaro will be roughly 74% American parts, and will be "born" in Canada. I DON'T CARE...this I consider this car to be 100% American, just like I consider myself 100% Italian.
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Old 07-06-2009, 02:14 PM   #62
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soooo...the motto should read "buy the Big 3", right?

i had to chuckle to myself when i saw a bumper sticker that read "out of a job yet? keep buying foreign" on a chevy aveo, which is a car made in korea. my wife drove a honda made in ohio. then she laughs at me for obsessing over the camaro which is made in canada and the chassis (i believe) is made by holden, which is austrailan.

to tell you the truth, i'm buying an American Icon! as long as it's got the bowtie on it, it's good enough for me!
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Old 07-06-2009, 02:25 PM   #63
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I am a perfect example of the Camaro Ethnicity debate. I am 50% Italian Stallion, and 50% mutt. I ignore the "mutt" part, and tell everyone who asks that I'm Italian. I was also born in a different state, but I consider myself a New York-er. The Camaro will be roughly 74% American parts, and will be "born" in Canada. I DON'T CARE...this I consider this car to be 100% American, just like I consider myself 100% Italian.
...and I am 100% AMERICAN. I was born in America. I'm not hyphenated ANYTHING.



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Old 07-06-2009, 03:40 PM   #65
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If you're willing to buy something foreign, my wife bought a 2010 Honda Insight for something like $19900 or so. Since my car doesn't exist, I've been taking to it class every day and averaging about 55-58 MPG highway, 40-45 MPG city. Yes, those figures are correct.
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Old 07-06-2009, 04:06 PM   #66
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If you want just basic transportation, good deals on Aveo right now.

Otherwise Cobalt and you might be able to squeaze a Cobalt SS for 20K.

HHR

Malibu, Aura or G6 with the 4 cylinder

Probably really good deals on Saturn Astra. A really nice car that just didn't take off in the U.S. but a huge seller in Europe.
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Old 07-06-2009, 04:12 PM   #67
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If you want just basic transportation, good deals on Aveo right now.

Otherwise Cobalt and you might be able to squeaze a Cobalt SS for 20K.

HHR

Malibu, Aura or G6 with the 4 cylinder

Probably really good deals on Saturn Astra. A really nice car that just didn't take off in the U.S. but a huge seller in Europe.
I thought about getting a gently used HHR - they're starting to fall into my budget. But then I thought about it and I would just spend another X years wishing I had a camaro, so I'm holding off.
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Old 07-06-2009, 04:13 PM   #68
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I have an '08 HHR and I really like it, great commuter car.
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Old 07-06-2009, 04:33 PM   #69
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Dammit I just realized this thread is two years old. Who bumped this??
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Corvette with an LS3 and a manual will net you 28, and I have heard cases in the low 30's.

I guess Cobalt would be the closest thing I would offer ya. Or a VW diesel.
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Old 07-07-2009, 10:07 AM   #72
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Well let me tell you my Cobalt experience.

I bought my Cobalt because of a number of reasons but very high on the list was mileage because my truck was killing me too. I bought the SS and I absolutely love the car. You can pick up an 09 for 21000 so within 1000 of your budget and they have a 5yr/100000 warranty.

I get 27-28 overall with about 32ish on the freeway (22ish in the City)-even when I drive aggressively I still average 25-26 overall. So far, 100% trouble free since I picked it up in 11/08. I can vouch for the standard Cobalt, but the SS so far has been a huge pleasant surprise to me. I even like driving it more than I like driving my truck (and I love my truck).

I love 'Vettes, so don't take this the wrong way- but everyone likes to quote the 28 highway number. They get significantly worse mileage everywhere else so unless your drive is all highway with no congestion, it's not a mileage queen.
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soooo...the motto should read "buy the Big 3", right?

i had to chuckle to myself when i saw a bumper sticker that read "out of a job yet? keep buying foreign" on a chevy aveo, which is a car made in korea. my wife drove a honda made in ohio. then she laughs at me for obsessing over the camaro which is made in canada and the chassis (i believe) is made by holden, which is austrailan.

to tell you the truth, i'm buying an American Icon! as long as it's got the bowtie on it, it's good enough for me!
And why did you decide to bump a two year old thread to tell us this?
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Dammit I just realized this thread is two years old. Who bumped this??


I wasn't the original necro poster, but I didn't even think to check before I posted.

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