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Old 01-30-2010, 11:27 AM   #1
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Want to get a Maggie.....but still need advice

I have decided that i am going to install/have installed a Maggie supercharger. I am pretty sure that I can get one installed and tuned ready to go on the road for about 7 grand. I have seen alot of the tuners having install specials. My questions center around warranty and quality of install.
Any insight is appreciated.

1..Can this be installed in my garage?

2..If it says that it comes with a warranty, who does the warranty work if i am not in the same state as the people that did the install?

3..does the warranty include just the supercharger components or the whole powertrain?

4..is it worth the extra money to have a company like hennesey or Lingenfelter do the install? Will the resale be higher on a Camaro with a lingenfelter package?

5..I already have a full exhaust that i love and a cold air inductions cai....can i use both of these with a Maggie?

6..there are NO tuners near me (Lincoln Nebraska) without breaking the bank, where is the best place to have it shipped and about how much would shipping be ?



Thanks in advance. Any vendors please feel free to pm me to keep this thread unclogged.
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Old 01-30-2010, 01:52 PM   #2
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Thank you for the recommendation Alex, I am very glad to have been able to assist you with the transformation of your car.

In regards to warranties; We have different option's for that, some of which include 3/36k warranties. As far as the standard magnacharger warranty goes, it only covers the supercharger and related components, and their powertrain warranty is not valid with any CAI, headers, pulley upgrades, or custom tunes.

I know we have spoken in the past, and as always please let me know if you would like me to work together a quote for you.

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I second DNA's suggestion. The transport version of the deal is not as coslty as it sounds. To me; it's worth it for the great service you will get. If you go with the 3/36 and Livernois; you won't be disappointed. I am not saying other companies on C5 aren't good as well but my experience with Andy and the gang is personal. My package resulted in a 589 rwhp/533 rwtq L99 that I friggin love (If you can love a car. )

You are treated as a customer should be with them. Never do you get the felling like you are wasting their time; which I believe is hard to come by.

If you want to go a little less moola; look at their Cam package too. It drives stock (If you aren't in the go pedal) but sounds and runs awesome.

Sweaver on here is good to PM as well. We hope to run our L99's at the track near Livernois in the Spring. He's a good source for information as a customer as well.
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Seems like most shops charge about $1000-$1500 to install a Maggie. It's worth that for me not to hassle with doing it. Right now I'm on the fence about a TVS2300 for my GTO or wait for the Whipple 2.9L front inlet kit for cathedral port heads. The Whipple is at least a month and a half out.
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Old 01-30-2010, 06:00 PM   #5
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You know Livernois is a great company when their customers respond like this,
Those of us who have had the priviledge to have them work on our cars, feel other people deserve the experience of a first class shop!
I know I appreciate all the extra effort and time they spend on my build!


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I second DNA's suggestion. The transport version of the deal is not as coslty as it sounds. To me; it's worth it for the great service you will get. If you go with the 3/36 and Livernois; you won't be disappointed. I am not saying other companies on C5 aren't good as well but my experience with Andy and the gang is personal. My package resulted in a 589 rwhp/533 rwtq L99 that I friggin love (If you can love a car. )

You are treated as a customer should be with them. Never do you get the felling like you are wasting their time; which I believe is hard to come by.

If you want to go a little less moola; look at their Cam package too. It drives stock (If you aren't in the go pedal) but sounds and runs awesome.

Sweaver on here is good to PM as well. We hope to run our L99's at the track near Livernois in the Spring. He's a good source for information as a customer as well.
I'm really looking forward to running our cars together
I love my car too Adam, So does my 3 year old son, Aiden, He thinks my car is Lightning Mcqueen,lol,
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Alex, Adam, Stephen, Thank you very much. I am glad that we have the privilege of having customers as good as all of you! I can't wait til some rain comes through to wash the salt away and some nice warm weekends come around so the real fun can begin
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I personally have found that some of the packages Lingenfelter's offer include new internals that are made for running superchargers. The service in my opinion is second to none. For me there are to many unanswered questions about how long the engine will last being supercharged with stock internals. Nobody really knows yet therefore I feel if I am installing one on my car I want forged internals to support the power increase and the best in the business working on my new camaro. Of all the capable shops out there I chose the one that stands out from the crowd. This is just my opinion though.
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Livernois is also doing forged internals on my build to support the power level,
I too chose the best in the business, And they didn't charge extra for their name either!
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Yes, they are forging mine as well. I think Lingenfelter doesn't forge automatically until the 650 package right??? Billyjk7 only wants a supercharger at this time so he won't be close to 650 with just a maggie.

Lingenfelter is good for sure. Opinions; everyone has them. We were merely stating our satisfaction with Livernois much like the LPE posters. We get the 3/36 just the same. You are right; no one knows for sure but it's sure buzzkill to throw in a doubt inducing post to what was otherwise positive.
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A little off topic, but how much is the porting of the blower manifold actually getting you?
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porting lower manifold

Jon6.0,

Truth be told; I don't have a good answer. It was a small part of 2 packages I did with Livernois. Maybe Sweaver or Andy with Livernois could advise?

Wish I could be more help
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Livernois is also doing forged internals on my build to support the power level,
I too chose the best in the business, And they didn't charge extra for their name either!
I am not paying extra for the name and I didn't attack Livernois. I am paying for a service from the provider of my choice who states all the different available packages on the website up front with no suprises. They provide an excellent warranty and as I stated from personal experience that in my opinion they are the best in the business just search the web. Did I say anything negative about Livernois?

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Yes, they are forging mine as well. I think Lingenfelter doesn't forge automatically until the 650 package right??? Billyjk7 only wants a supercharger at this time so he won't be close to 650 with just a maggie.

Lingenfelter is good for sure. Opinions; everyone has them. We were merely stating our satisfaction with Livernois much like the LPE posters. We get the 3/36 just the same. You are right; no one knows for sure but it's sure buzzkill to throw in a doubt inducing post to what was otherwise positive.
I thought Billyjk7 wanted advice about having a supercharger installed. I also noticed a mention of Lingenfelter in one of his questions. I didn't see any question about Livernois? It would almost apear that the thread has been hijacked by Livernois as I recall the thread starter included this statement "Thanks in advance. Any vendors please feel free to pm me to keep this thread unclogged" in his original question????
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[QUOTE=paul2010;1433363]I am not paying extra for the name and I didn't attack Livernois. I am paying for a service from the provider of my choice who states all the different available packages on the website up front with no suprises. They provide an excellent warranty and as I stated from personal experience that in my opinion they are the best in the business just search the web. Did I say anything negative about Livernois?


Easy killer, I didn't attack LPE, I didn't even mention them, You were insuating Livernois does not offer forged internals and they do!
There is no suprises with Livernois, because they let you customize your own package specific to the build you want, and how you want it!
And offer the same warranty option,
So don't acuse me of attacking anyone, I'm done with ya
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I am not paying extra for the name and I didn't attack Livernois. I am paying for a service from the provider of my choice who states all the different available packages on the website up front with no suprises. They provide an excellent warranty and as I stated from personal experience that in my opinion they are the best in the business just search the web. Did I say anything negative about Livernois?


Easy killer, I didn't attack LPE, I didn't even mention them, You were insuating Livernois does not offer forged internals and they do!
There is no suprises with Livernois, because they let you customize your own package specific to the build you want, and how you want it!
And offer the same warranty option,
So don't acuse me of attacking anyone, I'm done with ya
Did I mention Livernois?? NO!! Why would I insinuate anything about Livernois when I don't know anything about what they offer and what they don't offer. You were the one insinuating that I was paying more for a name!!!!
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Can't we all just get along...
Like I said, I'm done with him,
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To answer the question above about the Maggie ports being modified for gains....Both myself(ADM PERFORMANCE) and Engineering department at Lingenfelter have seen 20 rwhp.


Hope thIs helps


Also if you have any questions that need answered on the phone about install,purchase etc. I would be glad to answer them as well billyjk7.


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OKAY........good discussion.....Im glad to see that everybody agrees on the maggie and I see some differences in opinion with respect to installers. I have looked at Livernois, ADM and Janetty racing to do the install. I still would like to get more feedback on these questions if anybody has any feedback?

1..Can this be installed in my garage?

2..If it says that it comes with a warranty, who does the warranty work if i am not in the same state as the people that did the install?

3..does the warranty include just the supercharger components or the whole powertrain?

4..is it worth the extra money to have a company like hennesey or Lingenfelter do the install? Will the resale be higher on a Camaro with a lingenfelter package?

5..I already have a full exhaust that i love and a cold air inductions cai....can i use both of these with a Maggie?

6..there are NO tuners near me (Lincoln Nebraska) without breaking the bank, where is the best place to have it shipped and about how much would shipping be ?
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1. Yes, it could be installed in your garage however if you have never done it then you will likely run into questions that the install manual doesn't cover as others have reported on this site. So it's mainly a question of how good a mechanic and how much experience you have.

3. the warranty on the maggie is only for the supercharger. They do have an optional powertrain warranty for $200 however this requires you run their tune and have no other mods. Lots of fine print. Sounds like there are a million ways they can get out of paying for a new tranny. I did not go for this option as I have other mods and a custom tune anyways.

5. Sure

6. Custom tune should run around $500, how much is breaking the bank there in nebraska ?
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Okay folks.....been getting alot of informative PM's.... I have decided that i will NOT be trying to install this on my own. I have also decided that I want some bling under the hood and will be going for the polished unit. I have also decided that the warranty would be as worthless as a warm bucket of hamster vomit. I havent decided on an installer yet but i kinda think that if im going to drop that much cash for a new toy....im going to take it there myself in a trailer.....check out the facility and make a small vacation out of it. I remember before the end of the year, somebody was offering a package that was really cheap and included a stay for about 3 days while they pimped the ride! Anybody remember who that was? What is the best price that I can get one (polished) installed, tuned with the larger injectors and Kenne bell Boost pump?

Whereas I was initially interested in having Lingenfelter do it under the guise that it will have the full warranty, there are just too many things in the fine print that make it hard for me to believe that anything would ever really get covered. I could be wrong but.......i think I can save the extra 4 grand for something that may go wrong with it down the road.

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Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Inc. warrants the above-identified supercharger package it has installed on the above-listed vehicle to be free from defects in materials and workmanship for 3 years or 36,000 miles, whichever occurs first. This warranty is only valid on cars with less than 20,000 miles on them at the time of install. This warranty covers only the supercharger components and the lubricated components of the engine assembly, and it does not cover any other item including but not limited to maintenance or normal wear items, the clutch (if vehicle is equipped with manual transmission), torque converter (if vehicle is equipped with automatic transmission), transmission or parts thereof, or other drive-train components. This warranty will be voided if the boost level or computer tuning is altered in any way from the Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Inc. settings. Tampering with heat indicators or Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Inc. installed seals will void this warranty. The warranty period begins on the date of delivery. This warranty applies only to the original owner of the vehicle at the date of delivery by Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Inc. and is not transferable. This warranty does not apply to damage caused by detonation, overheating, misuse, incorrect maintenance, modification, abuse, racing, or accidents. In the event of a warranty claim by the warranty owner, the vehicle must be delivered to Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Inc. at the owner's expense for inspection before any warranty authorization will be given. Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Inc. reserves the right to repair or replace the engine assembly after inspection. Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Inc. disclaims and shall not be held liable for any consequential damages or attorney fees resulting from a warranty claim. THIS WARRANTY SUPERSEDES ALL PREVIOUSLY APPLICABLE WARRANTIES, IF ANY, AND EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED HEREIN, NO OTHER WARRANTY, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY WARRANTIES OF FITNESS OR MERCHANTABILITY, IS PROVIDED TO YOU, BY LINGENFELTER PERFORMANCE ENGINEERING, INC. OR ANY OTHER PARTY, FOR THIS SUPERCHARGER PACKAGE OR ANY COMPONENT THEREOF.
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OKAY........good discussion.....Im glad to see that everybody agrees on the maggie and I see some differences in opinion with respect to installers. I have looked at Livernois, ADM and Janetty racing to do the install. I still would like to get more feedback on these questions if anybody has any feedback?

Billyjk7, Just my 2 Cents but I'll give you my thoughts and see if I can help you and Maybe others can chime in.

1..Can this be installed in my garage?

Of Course it can, There was actually a detailed thread a couple months back where someone did the install at home (Maybe someone can post it). I wouldn't try and tackle it myself for the simple fact that if something does go wrong, its on you and you have no one to fall back on but yourself and Maggie. Besides, your not saving that much money by doing it at home. Kinda like, I can lay a tile floor but why would I ? Especially when I can hire a pro who does it in 1/3 of the time, it looks twice as good and I can focus my time elsewhere. Maggie may also have some warranty stipulations as well on certified installers only. Sounds like your really worried about warranties and parts failure so why not have the piece of mind in pro installation.

2..If it says that it comes with a warranty, who does the warranty work if i am not in the same state as the people that did the install?

I can't really help you a lot here but I would think, depending on if it were an installer issue, it would have to go back to whoever did the install. If the maggie just failed, I would assume you could work directly with Maggie but then again, you would need someone to remove it and reinstall. However, the GOOD News is that I think most Pro Installers will tell you they have NEVER had any issues with Maggie's they seem to have a good track record.

3..does the warranty include just the supercharger components or the whole powertrain?

I'm about 100% certain that Maggie isn't gonna honor your whole powertrain. Only their components. It would be up to you to prove in civil court that Maggie caused the failure somewhere else in your powertrain. Good Luck with that one.

4..is it worth the extra money to have a company like hennesey or Lingenfelter do the install? Will the resale be higher on a Camaro with a lingenfelter package?

Is It worth the extra money. IMHO, Absolutely Not!!! If there is one thing I have learned about Resale on Motorcycles or modern MuscleCars. Mods only make your sale more attractive and for the most part, people are not willing to pay you extra for them. MOST people could care less whether Hennessey or LPE installed your Maggie. Now if your car is a very limited Hennessey, Berger, SLP etc...... Yes, Maybe it will be worth a little more at resale but then again....you still lose because you could typically by two SS Camaros for the price of one of these cars. I would strongly suggest that you find a reputable speed shop to establish a good working relationship with. (It doesn't have to be a big name...because there are plenty of smaller shops out there who are just as experienced and are more than capable of giving you the same quality work...and In my experience the service you get is 10x better because it is more individual focused. Just Remember ALWAYS do your homework and get REFERENCES on the shop you chose....you will save money and will be fine with one of the smaller shops.

5..I already have a full exhaust that i love and a cold air inductions cai....can i use both of these with a Maggie?

I am sure the exhaust that you are "in love with" will work but There may be others out there (especially when talking headers) that will allow you to squeeze out a few more horses.
Your CAI may or may not work...depends on which one you have.

6..there are NO tuners near me (Lincoln Nebraska) without breaking the bank, where is the best place to have it shipped and about how much would shipping be ?
I can't tell you the best place. Because that is totally subjective to the experience, service and price you recieve when you leave. However I will throw another shop in the mix for you to consider before you make your final decision.
I have been working with Cincy Speed out of Cincinnati, Ohio. Not 100% sure on this, but I think they just started offering pick up and delivery service. I don't know what it would cost you from Lincoln, Nebraska.
They are a smaller shop with tons of experience. Cincy Speed has been doing several guy's 2010 Camaro's on this forum. They are a great bunch of guys!!! Very down to Earth, VERY honest and VERY Knowledgeable plus...GREAT Prices!!! Tracey...(their GM Tuner) knows the LS motor like nobody's business and the best thing is the individual attention you get is AWESOME!!! They treat your build as if it were their car's build. Yes, they are not a huge name...only a bunch of guys who race, eat, sleep, breath and live horsepower!!!!!

I don't work for Cincy Speed, nor do I have an invested interest with them. As a matter of fact, I checked references and drove almost 300 miles to them when a couple other "Big Name" shops were closer. I am just a very satisfied customer sharing my experience with you.

The Key is.... find someone that you really trust and feel comfortable with. Establish a good working relationship with them and stick with them.
Who knows....This may or may not be one of the "Big Names." How you spend your money is totally up to you and no one else.......well maybe with the exception of the wife of course. I hope this helps!!!
Good Luck Dude!!!!
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BROWNSTONE...thanks for the very good info. It makes alot of sense. I will start looking for a local shop!
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IMHO if your looking at forced induction I would go procharger instead of a maggie. I am by no means an expert but have had both and have like the procharger better and have gotten better dyno numbers with less boost with the procharger. I think that I'm pretty good with a wrench and have installed the procharger setup with minimal effort in my shop but did have to have the PCM tuned by someone else. I know that the Maggie runs out of air at higher RPM's unless you pulley it way down but then the Maggie gets way hot.

I know that everyone has there opinion of Maggie vs Procharger and am not trying to dis on the Maggie cause it is a good piece just offering my 2 cents.
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BROWNSTONE...thanks for the very good info. It makes alot of sense. I will start looking for a local shop!
Out of the shops that you have selected, which one is closer to you? After knowing it's a reputable shop, my next criteria and priority would be how close the shop is, before looking at the cost. You could go with a less expensive shop, but down the road, you'll spend more time and money transporting your car, if you need to.

It's good that you're looking at these issues methodically!
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