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Old 08-26-2008, 07:03 PM   #1
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2010 Camaro V6 vs. 4th gen Camaro Z28

This may be a silly question ,but if the 5Gen Camaro V6 has roughly 305HP...and the 4Gen approx. 325HP.... with some minor additions couldn't the 5Gen whoop the 4Gen? If so, that's just freakin' Crazy!
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I would doubt it since the new car is close to 400 pounds heavier, and less aerodynamic.
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And more importantly could it beat a 2008 Mustang Gt?

It'd still give older stock Camaros' a run for their money....I mean... for a V6!!
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it would be a good run, but the 2010 v-6 lacks a little in the torque department. the LT1's had a flat torque power band starting at roughly 1800rpm that stayed right near 300ft lbs across the board, the LS1's were the same only they were even better in the top end department.

but that extra weight will have a lot to play with the lack of torque
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Yea it wouldn't be that close. The Lt1's were running 5.3-5.5 and like 13.9 1/4 miles. The LS1 was running about the same 0-60 but 13.6-13.8 1/4 mile.

This V6 will be lucky to go 6.1 and 15.0
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ive seen stock LS1 4th gens running 12.90's and 13.00's. with good drivers it would be no race. with a good driver in the 5thgen and a shitty driver in the 4thgen it may be close
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This V6 will be lucky to go 6.1 and 15.0
It actually IS going 6.1 and 14.5; which are early, conservative estimates. Look for something like 5.9 and 14.1 upon release or shortly thereafter.

No. It won't beat a 4th gen stock for stock, but with some minor modding it'll be close enough to depend on the driver -- which is close enough for me.
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They recently have been saying 14.2 stock for the V6. Which I think is around a 5.9 0-60.

Oh yea, no contest between these two.
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Yeah, I've seen evidence of 4th gen F-bods in the 12s. High 12s, but 12s nonetheless.


We should make a sticky thread. The Camaro V6 will not beat: and list a bunch of cars and reasons why.
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I find it funny that the current Mustang Gt being a V8 has 4 HP less than the Camaro V6(until the final release of info by GM). That's one hell of a V6. And judging by the reviews so far...the Camaro ,base or SS is a force to be taken seriously by others.
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It's only the horsepower rating. And it looks funny on paper, but in real world tests I think it'd be the Mustang owner laughing when he stomps a Camaro V6 owner who doesn't know any better than to think his car will smoke a V8 performance car. There's also torque to consider. And gearing and weight. The Mustang has advantages in at least two of those categories.


But yes, the numbers on paper look good for the Camaro and the fact that it has 304 hp will convince the uneducated to buy it for Mustang like performance (perhaps).

And let's not forget, as of right now the Mustang is awaiting a 2010 refresh that could come with some new engines that could potentially compete with the V8 Camaro. So the V6 will probably fall in place right where it should.
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Pull up to the beach at spring break with a red Cam5 V6 base and a red Mustang GT V8 and I bet you a lot more chix will come out of the woodwork for the Camaro. The Mustang look is old and "done".. boring.
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Pull up to the beach at spring break with a red Cam5 V6 base and a red Mustang GT V8 and I bet you a lot more chix will come out of the woodwork for the Camaro. The Mustang look is old and "done".. boring.
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It's only the horsepower rating. And it looks funny on paper, but in real world tests I think it'd be the Mustang owner laughing when he stomps a Camaro V6 owner who doesn't know any better than to think his car will smoke a V8 performance car. There's also torque to consider. And gearing and weight. The Mustang has advantages in at least two of those categories.


But yes, the numbers on paper look good for the Camaro and the fact that it has 304 hp will convince the uneducated to buy it for Mustang like performance (perhaps).

And let's not forget, as of right now the Mustang is awaiting a 2010 refresh that could come with some new engines that could potentially compete with the V8 Camaro. So the V6 will probably fall in place right where it should.
It's just nice to know that GM is listening to its consumers and fixing some past mistakes. Face it, this V6 will still rock out the competition regardless if it won't stomp a Mustang GT.Don't hate on the V6.
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The v6 is going to be an all around great car but its not going to come close to beating a 4th gen ls1 car. 345HP (yes they make roughly 345 hp not 325). weigh less and more aerodynamic no comparison. However i think on a refinement, drivability, and quality i think the v6 is going to be way better then a 4th gen. but power wise the 4th gens were made to run and run fast and thats exactley what they do best.
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The v6 is going to be an all around great car but its not going to come close to beating a 4th gen ls1 car. 345HP (yes they make roughly 345 hp not 325). weigh less and more aerodynamic no comparison. However i think on a refinement, drivability, and quality i think the v6 is going to be way better then a 4th gen. but power wise the 4th gens were made to run and run fast and thats exactley what they do best.
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We should make a sticky thread. The Camaro V6 will not beat: and list a bunch of cars and reasons why.
well thats easy, assuming people continue to find cars that have a similar power output:
  1. Torque
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The 5th gen V6 will not keep up with the 4th Gen SS or Z28....just won't happen. It will get better gas mileage, that's for sure. BUT, keep up? nope. That's not that big of a deal, though. Because, you are getting a lot more hp than any other manufacturer AND it's loaded up w/ mandated safety things.

A 4th Gen SS or Z28? Built on different architecture...simple as that. It all comes down to weight. If you could have a V6 5th gen w/ the weight of a 4th gen.....OH boy.

That's not to say I'm ripping on the 5th Gen's V6 AT ALL. I mean....if it's good enough for the CTS.....c'mon. Need I say more?

The 4th gens were great....still are great. Light, nimble, and very quick. 12.74 w/ nothing major to my Z28 at all.....CAI, Lid, K & N, and exhaust. If I put slicks on there, it could have easily gone down below 12.5. The 4th gens motor was also under rated....prolly like our LS3 will be!
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The 5th gen V6 will not keep up with the 4th Gen SS or Z28....just won't happen. It will get better gas mileage, that's for sure. BUT, keep up? nope. That's not that big of a deal, though. Because, you are getting a lot more hp than any other manufacturer AND it's loaded up w/ mandated safety things.

A 4th Gen SS or Z28? Built on different architecture...simple as that. It all comes down to weight. If you could have a V6 5th gen w/ the weight of a 4th gen.....OH boy.

That's not to say I'm ripping on the 5th Gen's V6 AT ALL. I mean....if it's good enough for the CTS.....c'mon. Need I say more?

The 4th gens were great....still are great. Light, nimble, and very quick. 12.74 w/ nothing major to my Z28 at all.....CAI, Lid, K & N, and exhaust. If I put slicks on there, it could have easily gone down below 12.5. The 4th gens motor was also under rated....prolly like our LS3 will be!
That's definitely what I'm hoping for! Im kinda leaning towards it will have 422 to the wheels. GM is notorious for that.
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LS1 is a great engine and highly underrated. I dynoed 290/305 stock at the wheels. Ran 12.9 @ 107.5 with just a lid and catback. The V6 will make for a great bargain at $22K. I look forward to getting it as my daily.
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That's definitely what I'm hoping for! Im kinda leaning towards it will have 422 to the wheels. GM is notorious for that.
i wouldnt count on that.
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Those were underated as well .. my 2001 SS bone stock dynoed 306rwhp and something like 323rwtq .. That was at the wheels .. that would be quite a bit more than advertised at the crank

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That's definitely what I'm hoping for! Im kinda leaning towards it will have 422 to the wheels. GM is notorious for that.
ehhh that's like 460ish at the crank.
You might see around 390-400 at the wheels though as I do think it's a little underrated
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And more importantly could it beat a 2008 Mustang Gt?
no way stock for stock. Especially seeing that the Camaro V6 is expected to do 0-60 in 6.1-5.7 range and the 1/4 in 14.5-14.1

Mustang does 0-60 in 5.3-5.0 seconds and the 1/4 in 14.0-13.6 range stock. The Musgant V8 not only weighs a few hundred lbs less but it has way more torque...

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Yea it wouldn't be that close. The Lt1's were running 5.3-5.5 and like 13.9 1/4 miles. The LS1 was running about the same 0-60 but 13.6-13.8 1/4 mile.

This V6 will be lucky to go 6.1 and 15.0
Jusy by looking at the number's I think 6.1 is pretty conservative, I believe the Camaro will be capable of a 5.7-5.9 0-60 time and possibly a 14.1 if best, but just gotta wait and see... Maybe it'll surprise us?

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I find it funny that the current Mustang Gt being a V8 has 4 HP less than the Camaro V6(until the final release of info by GM). That's one hell of a V6. And judging by the reviews so far...the Camaro ,base or SS is a force to be taken seriously by others.
You can't just judge a car off of it's HP, Mustang GT's 4.6V8 is cranking out way more torque vs the Camaro's V6... And the Mustang GT also weighs less...
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You can't just judge a car off of it's HP, Mustang GT's 4.6V8 is cranking out way more torque vs the Camaro's V6... And the Mustang GT also weighs less...



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anyone ever see the comercial for Handai or whoever that starts out with a burnout thru the smoke with the announcer saying "300 horsepower is fast"

no its not you f'n retard. 80% of semi trucks on the road today have 300hp. but it will sell the car cus 90% of people out there are stupid like that.
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Horsepower sells cars, Torque wins races.



anyone ever see the comercial for Handai or whoever that starts out with a burnout thru the smoke with the announcer saying "300 horsepower is fast"

no its not you f'n retard. 80% of semi trucks on the road today have 300hp. but it will sell the car cus 90% of people out there are stupid like that.

Not only that, but it is the torque curve that really matters, which defines the hp curve by calculation. Peak hp numbers are meaningless, but they are all anybody looks at. I mean, how much time do you get to spend at peak hp-not much time at all. You have to have the torque to get to that point where the motor puts out decent power-and then you have to shift back out of that sweet spot. It is real easy to make high hp numbers that don't really translate into a quick car. More gears can help a smaller motor stay closer to that band but will never feel like a bigger displ. motor. V6 is nice but it is a different animal than the LS3.
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