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Old 02-02-2010, 05:12 PM   #1
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Custom Power Steering Upgrade Almost Ready Guys

Well if anyone has paid attention I was working and been working on this since November. Lots of testing for the pressure of the rack and pump were done, tested, adjusted over and over. Custom lines had to be made. Been back and forth for months because the fittings used on the OEM lines are not generic so they had to be custom made. The valve took many iterations until it flowed enough to work with the run of the lines.

Its a pretty well thought out system and should work perfectly.

Heres the kicker one fitting they flared on one end is the wrong NPT so I just Fed Ex the line back so they change it and get it back to me for the week. PLEASE EVERYONE PRAY. I am so anxious to install this so I will keep the thread alive as more info and testing happens.

I had several sets of these lines already made because there was a costly charge for custom lines and I searched and dealt with 2 companies. Lots of legwork and it better pay off.

Here is a photo of 90% of the parts there are other items not shown in the photo such as the mounting bracket, return lines, clamps and other misc.


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Old 02-02-2010, 05:18 PM   #2
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how does this benefit our camaros from the factory power steering?
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Old 02-02-2010, 05:27 PM   #3
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This will give you adjustablity for the drag strip, track or street. the Camaro steering reminds most of us of an old school over assited Caddy. It sucks for driving hard the car is too twitchy when driving hard this should eliminate that and make for a more confident inspired car. Full blown suspension work alone doest cure this and in some cases makes it worse so this idea I have if it works as planned is the only true bolt in solution.
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:24 AM   #4
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So what exactly are you trying to accomplish, to compensate for the lack of "feel"?
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:54 AM   #5
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This will give you adjustablity for the drag strip, track or street. the Camaro steering reminds most of us of an old school over assited Caddy. It sucks for driving hard the car is too twitchy when driving hard this should eliminate that and make for a more confident inspired car. Full blown suspension work alone doest cure this and in some cases makes it worse so this idea I have if it works as planned is the only true bolt in solution.
I would think a hardcore drag racer would remove power steering all-in-all for weight reduction? hmmm
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:39 AM   #6
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I would think a hardcore drag racer would remove power steering all-in-all for weight reduction? hmmm
I did remove the entire system for testing, it doesnt merit itself to removing due to the weight. the pump is light and composite and the rack is very light.

I did drive the car with no PS and it was difficult with the big 20' rubber up front.

Should have more news in the coming week.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:40 PM   #7
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Would the G8 PS pump solve the problem? I read in the other post that the G8 didn't have the over-assisted problem. BTW.....I'm sure everyone appreciates your patience and dedication to finding a workable solution.
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:36 AM   #8
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Would the G8 PS pump solve the problem? I read in the other post that the G8 didn't have the over-assisted problem. BTW.....I'm sure everyone appreciates your patience and dedication to finding a workable solution.
No clue on the G8 as there are NONE anywhere in sight from where I reside. There never were any G8 or GTO around here.

When we tested we found the pump is putting out too much PSI but the rack design also causes the return flow much quicker than other cars I have tested loaded and unloaded.

Just assembled the rest of the fittings and stuff. Waiting for one line to come back. Now I need to figure out a mounting location for my custom valve. I was anticipating having the Vararam intake by now so i can mount this unit where the stock airbox resides but all the crap about the Vararam causing issues is now going to create another obstacle for me to mount everything cleanly.
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Old 02-07-2010, 07:12 AM   #9
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I'm hoping your idea works!
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Old 02-07-2010, 11:25 PM   #10
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Thanks for posting your experiment 55Designs. As I'm getting used to my new SS, one of the things I'm not impressed with is the numb on-center feeling and the over boost sensation of the power steering. Almost reminds me of a Ford product from the 70's although not nearly that bad. All the previous HP GM cars I've owned always had a much higher effort and better feel to the steering. I don't see much chatter about this from the track guys or any vendors working on mods. Can this be improved with a different alignment settings?
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Old 02-08-2010, 10:50 AM   #11
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I remember reading a while back in a Car Mag that the designers of the Camaro spent time getting the steering system right in the car. It's amazing how they missed their goal.
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I remember reading a while back in a Car Mag that the designers of the Camaro spent time getting the steering system right in the car. It's amazing how they missed their goal.
What was their goal?

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Old 02-08-2010, 02:02 PM   #13
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GM goal was to save money so they dug into the parts bin for some overstock on a 1970 Caddy Deville LOL

Anyway guys its almost ready to roll. Working on the mounting today and should have one line back any day now. All other parts are assembled and bolted on.
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:03 PM   #14
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Cool! Yet another cool mod!
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:59 PM   #15
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All Parts finished. Going to test install later. Its a bitch because of the HUGE airbox. I really wish I had an intake that would remove it right now but I will work around it.

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Old 02-11-2010, 07:36 PM   #16
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System installed & tested and it WORKS.

Biggest issue is mounting the valve in a good location to not kink the lines and interfere with the exhaust manifold and AC lines. I am going to have one pressure line made 11 inches longer and I have the ideal location for the valve. This way it will work for anyone regardless if intake system installed under the hood.

As of now it will just sit until I get the line back and the NYC snow clears.

Im pretty damn excited for spring.
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Excellent! Hopefully you let us know cost and install difficulty
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Couldn't you have pullied up on the pump instead?
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Couldn't you have pullied up on the pump instead?

That was our original idea but its just too much trial and error to test and re test to get it where we want it plus with my system you can easily adjust it and install it in 10 minutes flat.

it does work I will post finished photos when i get the longer line back. Now its just a waiting game for the weather to break so i can take the car to Limerock or Poccono to track test
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Old 03-02-2010, 06:38 PM   #20
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With the limited time I had to do road testing ( SNOW) I need to make some more fine tuning.

Install is a BITCH if you want it to look nice. First one always is hard but I took plenty of photos and should easily put together a guide to make it a 35-45 min install.

I got the lines right where I want them in terms of size. I mounted the valve in the perfect location it looks OEM and nice and neat.

Issue I have now is the extra run of the lines is causing the PSI to drop too much and when I am at full open on the valve its tight. feels like manual steering. Feels awesome on the highway but in the city its too hard to drive.

I removed the valve now and put back to stock until i retool it. I need to bore the housing larger and make the pin smaller to compensate for this extra run.

It should be easy to do but I HATE doing this because the fluid makes a mess when your removing the lines.

When I clean it all up and have spare time il jump back on it and hopefully test again when the temps get into the 50+ range.

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Anything on this yet? Can't stand how squirrely the steering is at higher speeds...
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Anything on this yet? Can't stand how squirrely the steering is at higher speeds...
Have you tried adding more positive caster to the front?

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I'll have to check what my alignment numbers are...Stillen did the alignment.

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Ok, numbers:

Left Front: Camber -0.98 Caster: 6.91 Toe: -0.03
Right Front: Camber -1.04 Caster: 7.16 Toe: -0.01

Front: Cross Camber: 0.16 Cross Caster: -0.25

?? Not sure if they are good numbers or not...

For Completeness:

Left Rear: Camber -0.84 Toe: 0.00
Right Rear: Camber -0.87 Toe: -0.01

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