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Old 02-03-2010, 01:46 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Build from Scratch

Someday, I will probably do something very crazy to a Camaro:
  • street legal race-prepped engine install (requires the removal of the engine)
  • race-prepped transmission (requires the removal or upgrade of the transmission)
  • race-prepped rear end (requires removal of almost everything between the rear wheels up to the transmission)
  • even bigger brakes (requires the removal of the brakes)
  • drag racing suspension (requires removal of suspension components)

From what I know about this swap, my new build will likely require other changes:
  • header replacement or upgrade to long tubes
  • catback exhaust upgrade
  • catalytic converter upgrade (maybe not necessary but potentially important)
  • custom engine mounts
  • custom transmission mounts (only if transmission is replaced)

This build begs an important question:
Aside from the badging on the my car, what makes it unique relative to any other trim?
In all truth, any Camaro could be built this way. My original plan was to start with a 1SS RS, but I would ultimately just be paying for an OEM V8 to be removed in place of a Camaro5 vendor's supreme V8. If not for the V8 under the hood from the beginning, it would be difficult to tell if a V8 was ever in there until the swap. Besides a different front bumper and SS badges, there really isn't much to differentiate the LT RS from the SS RS. Even the RS components that I want the most are available in the aftermarket. Consequently, I could do my custom V8 build sooner if I purchase the LS instead of the SS.

In conclusion, I'm better off buying a V6 for a lot of reasons besides insurance costs and regular fuel until my build. If I get a V6, I can make my V8 build become a reality much sooner than I can make it happen if I buy a satisfying V6 in the meantime. Am I missing something?
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:52 PM   #2
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You would need a new ECM I would imagine and probably the v8 front fascia. Not too sure on what else you would need that you haven't already listed.
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:49 PM   #3
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You would need a new ECM I would imagine and probably the v8 front fascia. Not too sure on what else you would need that you haven't already listed.
It's generally cheaper and easier in the long run to start with a base 1SS, IMO.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:25 PM   #4
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It's generally cheaper and easier in the long run to start with a base 1SS, IMO.
You're probably right, but I'm not concerned with the cost in the long run. I'm more concerned with my immediate needs and the idea of keeping what I buy in the near future.

I need a car soon. Because I need a car soon, I'm either going to have a new Camaro or a used car. If I have to trade for a V8 later, I'm going to be losing money for every mile I've put on the V6 or used car.

Also, I can start working on my project now if I get a V6. I want to have upgraded aftermarket speakers, a good drag racing suspension, and anything else I like in the meantime. After putting all of this stuff in a car, why would I want to start all over?

Here's another point. If I pull out the entire drivetrain of the car, I've got a Camaro that's set up for a V6. Next year or later, I will happily spend a lot of money to put a V8 in there, but someone has to tell me that they can do that and what I will be buying.

Nickey Chicago, you have some really great builds. When you take out the LS3 or L99 to put in one of your Stage III LS7s, you also do a lot of the work that I listed in the first post. In other words, this build is almost perfectly tailored to what your shop is already doing. How much more work would it take you to put a Stage III kit into a V6 engine bay?
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:31 PM   #5
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You're probably right, but I'm not concerned with the cost in the long run. I'm more concerned with my immediate needs and the idea of keeping what I buy in the near future.

I need a car soon. Because I need a car soon, I'm either going to have a new Camaro or a used car. If I have to trade for a V8 later, I'm going to be losing money for every mile I've put on the V6 or used car.

Also, I can start working on my project now if I get a V6. I want to have upgraded aftermarket speakers, a good drag racing suspension, and anything else I like in the meantime. After putting all of this stuff in a car, why would I want to start all over?

Here's another point. If I pull out the entire drivetrain of the car, I've got a Camaro that's set up for a V6. Next year or later, I will happily spend a lot of money to put a V8 in there, but someone has to tell me that they can do that and what I will be buying.

Nickey Chicago, you have some really great builds. When you take out the LS3 or L99 to put in one of your Stage III LS7s, you also do a lot of the work that I listed in the first post. In other words, this build is almost perfectly tailored to what your shop is already doing. How much more work would it take you to put a Stage III kit into a V6 engine bay?
Plus the insurance company would still charge you V6 rates. Which depending on your age, the savings over the SS would pay for a ton of mods in a very short time.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:36 PM   #6
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Plus the insurance company would still charge you V6 rates. Which depending on your age, the savings over the SS would pay for a ton of mods in a very short time.
We're on the same page. There are lots of reasons to go the V6 route. When I can afford performance, why buy a whole car when I already have half of what I'll need? I need a high-performance V8 drivetrain—have a few ideas, including Nickey Chicago Stage III and others—and a shop that's willing to put it into a V6 body.
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The labor/time is not much different, it is the cost of the core parts.

The rearend, trans, engine, wire harness and ECM are different. The cost of just these items (there are more) and the difference between the cost of a base V6 and a 1SS are about the same.

With all that said....we'll be more than happy to convert your V6 Camaro into a Nickey Super Car
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Old 02-03-2010, 05:13 PM   #8
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Blur, i would go that route, youll end up with a unique car with a vin that says v6.
heck id keep the v6 bumper to make it a sleeper!
Do it...do it!
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Old 04-22-2010, 10:00 PM   #9
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This thread needs more technical input. I would like to see some more technical discussion on the logistics of this route.

Does a 6L50 (V6) transmission swap directly with an upgraded 6L80 (V8)?

In order to make this swap possible, do I need to upgrade the engine at the same time?

Can I replace the rear end components before changing anything else?

This is a great thread for some members more familiar with these transmissions to share their knowledge with the greater community. Keep in mind that this is a high-performance build discussion.
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Old 04-22-2010, 10:44 PM   #10
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i would totally do this aswell but if i were to put the v8 in my 6 banger car i would want to change my auto trans to a manual how hard would it be to change it to a manual if its an auto?
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Old 04-23-2010, 08:53 AM   #11
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I can only wish you the best of luck. Though I am excited to see what you come up with!
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Old 04-23-2010, 09:07 AM   #12
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buy a used SS, then swap motors. Easiest & cheapest. I think the V6 has a different sub frame. Could be wrong on that though.....
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Old 04-23-2010, 09:22 AM   #13
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buy a used SS, then swap motors. Easiest & cheapest. I think the V6 has a different sub frame. Could be wrong on that though.....
Thats what I thought too........I also figured you would have to swap out the rear diff. Or maybe I am talkin out of my a**....
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Thats what I thought too........I also figured you would have to swap out the rear diff. Or maybe I am talkin out of my a**....
This build basically requires me to replace everything that makes the wheels move. If I am to go through with it for the sake of building something crazy, then I'm going to want to know what the costs are before I decide to do it.
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Old 04-23-2010, 09:43 AM   #15
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This build basically requires me to replace everything that makes the wheels move. If I am to go through with it for the sake of building something crazy, then I'm going to want to know what the costs are before I decide to do it.
then go V8 from the start. That's my input, for what it is worth
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The car build is pretty much the same. The drive train is different from front to back. You can't swap piece by piece. The suspension from a v6 and v8 are different also but if you are gonna race trim the drivetrain then you will surely be doing suspension so it won't really matter. The time frame needed to do the V6 to V8 swap will be much greater than the upgrade from V8 to V8. This would cause you to be out of the car for several days instead of just a cpl.

I like the idea of haveing a LT body with a V8 in it. Will suprise a lot of ppl.
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Old 04-23-2010, 12:40 PM   #17
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Very very interesting! Please let me know how it goes! I think I am gonna start saving lol =D
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Are the front and rear subframe assy's the same v6 to v8? (I don't know) If they are that's a big hurdle eliminated.

If you do it one at a time, start from the back and go forward. If you drop a 700hp LSX in a V6 with stock drivetrain you're gonna be breaking something new every day.

Do you know how many 69 Camaro Z28 clones there are that started out as 6-bangers? (I personally know of one) It's a good plan, but it will take lots of time and money in the long haul, no matter which car you get.

The more work you can do on your own, the cheaper it will be. Shop labor rates are hovering around $80 bucks/hr depending on where you live.

I like the way you're thinking
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Here's what I believe to be true based on the various things I read on here.

The V6 and V8 have identical frames. The differences between the suspensions are minor (sway bars, struts and some links in the rear I believe). If you upgrade the suspension then you would most likely replace all these parts anyway.

The V6 manual has the same rear diff as the V8's (only the auto has something different). And if you are going to put serious power into it an upgrade would be required anyway.

If you plan on replacing the entire drive train (engine, trans and diff) then the V6 is a great start. Again I do not claim to be an expert on any of this just what I read over the many hours spent here.
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