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Old 02-04-2010, 12:01 PM   #26
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Yes, but was the suspension modified for those prices? I can't imagine some drop springs causing THAT much more of an issue with alignment though
Mine was just an alignment, after the lowering springs had "settled"...
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Sounds like they spent time looking for the specs and decided to charge me for the time spent.
That sounds exactly like it. I don't have lowering springs, but when I was quoted it was about $100 and there was no mention of different pricing for other set ups.

Glad you stopped them in their tracks.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:28 PM   #29
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I would call them back, tell them you have the spec sheet in hand, and quote them $120-150 if they want the job. The kicker is, they ALREADY DID THE RESEARCH, although I've never heard of a dealership charging for reasearch either. They can either eat the time for research and get NOTHING or eat the time and make $$ on the alignment. The choice is theirs.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:41 PM   #30
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I would call them back, tell them you have the spec sheet in hand, and quote them $120-150 if they want the job. The kicker is, they ALREADY DID THE RESEARCH, although I've never heard of a dealership charging for reasearch either. They can either eat the time for research and get NOTHING or eat the time and make $$ on the alignment. The choice is theirs.


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Ok, I am an alignment technician. I work on tractor-trailers, and most trucks with 3 axles can be done for less than $300. Ok, to be honest, if a guy comes in with an exotic suspension that requires different adjustments, or more labor intensive adjustments I will have to charge more. Alignments are pretty competitively priced. I can imagine at $79.99 for a car you can't be allowed more than an hour. So I am guessing at $370 they had an extra 4 hours somehow. Right off the bat if a customer comes in with something other than stock I will tell that customer it will take longer, and this is why... The dealership should have told you it will be more expensive. I can guess they don't do too many Camaros, let alone ones that have been altered. There will be numerous adjustments, right and left toe, camber and caster. Rear toe and camber as well. There is a lot going on, but they really should have told you up front, or at least midway though when they were having trouble. I would definitely ask why it took so long and why you weren't told how expensive it would be. Maybe with the suspension you put on that time and cost is actually justified. Some suspensions are just really hard to work on, no design for serviceability what-so-ever.
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Ok, I am an alignment technician. I work on tractor-trailers, and most trucks with 3 axles can be done for less than $300. Ok, to be honest, if a guy comes in with an exotic suspension that requires different adjustments, or more labor intensive adjustments I will have to charge more. Alignments are pretty competitively priced. I can imagine at $79.99 for a car you can't be allowed more than an hour. So I am guessing at $370 they had an extra 4 hours somehow. Right off the bat if a customer comes in with something other than stock I will tell that customer it will take longer, and this is why... The dealership should have told you it will be more expensive. I can guess they don't do too many Camaros, let alone ones that have been altered. There will be numerous adjustments, right and left toe, camber and caster. Rear toe and camber as well. There is a lot going on, but they really should have told you up front, or at least midway though when they were having trouble. I would definitely ask why it took so long and why you weren't told how expensive it would be. Maybe with the suspension you put on that time and cost is actually justified. Some suspensions are just really hard to work on, no design for serviceability what-so-ever.
Well from what I understand it's just the camber and toe. And it shouldn't be too hard if I give them those two numbers. I told her when I dropped it off that I had them if they needed them.

So I doubley agree. They should have called me.

Oh well. I'm picking it up this evening and tomorrow morning I'll pay somone else to do it. And they will have apperently waisted bout 3 hrs.
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The OE aligment specs would work just fine. Looking at your attachment compared to the OE specs, they just have a hair more neg camber and a hair more castor. Which has more to do with a performance oriented alignment than the fact that is has a lower ride height.

An hour to research Ask them if they ever heard of Google.

I found the OE specs and several recommendations from aftermarket suspension suppliers in a couple minutes. All the aftermarket specs are doing is giving it a bit more caster and neg camber for better track handling. You could do that same thing with the OE ride height.

The downside of a performance alignment is more tire wear, and on a car you cant rotate the tires, might get expensive. Many have found that out on Corvettes. It gets passed all around the internet to do this special alignment with more negative camber. And then the following year those same folks are griping that the inside edges of their tires are wiped out.
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No extra parts either. It's not like they had to buy stuff for it. Or use stuff on it. Just allign it. I don't care WHAT they say. You just don't pay 370.00 for an allignment.

Bay Chevrolet, Mobile, AL is an awesome dealership till you get around back.
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No extra parts either. It's not like they had to buy stuff for it. Or use stuff on it. Just allign it. I don't care WHAT they say. You just don't pay 370.00 for an allignment.

Bay Chevrolet, Mobile, AL is an awesome dealership till you get around back.
thats sad. at all dealerships ive worked at its been the other way around in most cases. ive always work for a top notch fixed ops dept. i wish i was close enough to help you man. BTW sorry i re-read your post i didnt realise you didnt buy it. there morons to have the balls to ask you to pay that much more for the alignment. they were just trying to get you.

if someone calls it a "stealership" its because they have obviously gone to horrible dealerships who give us good ones a bad name. its sick. i would never cheet or steel from a customer.
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thats sad. at all dealerships ive worked at its been the other way around in most cases. ive always work for a top notch fixed ops dept. i wish i was close enough to help you man. BTW sorry i re-read your post i didnt realise you didnt buy it. there morons to have the balls to ask you to pay that much more for the alignment. they were just trying to get you.

if someone calls it a "stealership" its because they have obviously gone to horrible dealerships who give us good ones a bad name. its sick. i would never cheet or steel from a customer.
Well, I think those guys got a bad idea of me back in June when I went in there like 6 times telling them there is something wrong with my car and they never found anything until I was able to prove (with the fuse pull) that there was. They appolagized but I have a feeling they still dont' like me because of it. And I was NEVER a dick to them, because you're right. The service department is usually the one that you can get along with.
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By law, dealerships are allowed to charge up to 400% markup on parts and service.....
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Well from what I understand it's just the camber and toe. And it shouldn't be too hard if I give them those two numbers. I told her when I dropped it off that I had them if they needed them.

So I doubley agree. They should have called me.

Oh well. I'm picking it up this evening and tomorrow morning I'll pay somone else to do it. And they will have apperently waisted bout 3 hrs.
Exactly Camber and Toe no big deal - Dang Stealership!
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By law, dealerships are allowed to charge up to 400% markup on parts and service.....
By free choice, we are allowed to NOT use them.

This may be the very reason FEW people use them after the warranty expires.
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Old 02-05-2010, 10:58 AM   #41
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$160 & someone who knows what they are doing.

You can check some of the other threads on coilover installation and even make some changes to the alignment, based on how you will be driving.
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Dude, its a dealership, they're ripping you off if you go with them.
My salesman keeps leaving messages on my home phone to get my oil changed soon since its on special: $110.... The oil and filter were $60 from wal mart. Tell the dealerships to go suck a fat one. Bastids.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:18 PM   #43
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By law, dealerships are allowed to charge up to 400% markup on parts and service.....
Like the guy said below;

By RIGHTS I can take it somewhere else.

I'm picking it up today. The paint will be finished.

One thing to note here is that not only will they NOT be making any money on my alignment, they won't see my car again for anything but warranty work. Ya, they get paid by GM for warranty stuff but I use the dealers I buy my cars from. Lexus and Jeep and Chevy. Well, I'll take my car to the Jeep place or maybe just do it myself.

If I have no warranty issues, they won't see my car again.

To be fair, when I pick my car up today, I'll verify with them that I'm not over-reacting. I want a breakdown of the cost. According to the lady I talked to on the phone, they are charging 2 hours for researching the proper specs, and then the rest is what their standard price is for a 4 wheel allignment. w'hich would still be around 180.00 but I could live with that. I have a feeling I will now be able to get it done for around the 120.00 to 150.00 range. I don't mind paying a little more to use the dealership but this is crazy.
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Dude, its a dealership, they're ripping you off if you go with them.
My salesman keeps leaving messages on my home phone to get my oil changed soon since its on special: $110.... The oil and filter were $60 from wal mart. Tell the dealerships to go go suck a fat one. Bastids.
Holy crap. I've had all mine done at the dealer so far and it is only 80.00 total. Which is a shocker that they were so screwball on this.
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way too much $ (as you know and have already decided)

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way too much $ (as you know and have already decided)

Dealerships are rip offs, especially in the service department.
As I mentioned already, they seemed reasonable on the oil changes. I just went out and got my last recipt from an oil change I got last Monday. $83.46

Not too bad.

I want to be fair about this and dont think I'm being unreasonable.

I own a business myself and I would do the alignment at this point for the standard cost.

I would not have a problem charging someone 370.00 for it as long as I called them before hand and told them I was gonna have to do some research and they would be 'On the clock' so to speak. Then I would be justified in charging them. But I got the call AFTER they did their 'research'
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That is high if they are not installing some type of aftermarket camber or caster kit. 80.00-100.00 would be normal for a four wheel alignment even with it being lowered.
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As I mentioned already, they seemed reasonable on the oil changes. I just went out and got my last recipt from an oil change I got last Monday. $83.46

Not too bad.

I want to be fair about this and dont think I'm being unreasonable.

I own a business myself and I would do the alignment at this point for the standard cost.

I would not have a problem charging someone 370.00 for it as long as I called them before hand and told them I was gonna have to do some research and they would be 'On the clock' so to speak. Then I would be justified in charging them. But I got the call AFTER they did their 'research'
when I lowered my 94Z, I took it to the local tire shop that damn near EVERYONE uses and they told me flat out they wouldnt touch my car cus they thought the springs had been cut (instead of swapped for lowering springs).

I drove it over to Sears and they did the alignment to the specs I asked for $75.00
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No extra parts either. It's not like they had to buy stuff for it. Or use stuff on it. Just allign it. I don't care WHAT they say. You just don't pay 370.00 for an allignment.

Bay Chevrolet, Mobile, AL is an awesome dealership till you get around back.
Did he ask you to spin around and stare at your mouth a lot while he talked?
He wanted you around back alright

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I find too that car dealerships seem to be completely useless once you stray away from anything factory/stock. It is like they live in a bubble, completely oblivious to any after-market applications.
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