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Old 02-05-2010, 11:00 PM   #51
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Ok, I picked the car up earlier today. The paint work was perfect. They did a really good job. Painted the whole rear deck lid. No problems there.

I just couldn't allow myself to leave without talking to the service manager.

She of course remembered me from the situation that led up to the fuse pull. I asked her why the alignment would cost so much and she said that when they saw the car was so much lower that they didn't know what to do. I dont' have time to post the entire conversation but the 'long short' of it was, and I quote from her, "These guys do tune ups, oil changes and simple service work, they don't do performance modifications. They aren't trained for that kind of thing."

So I figure she did me a favor.

When they came to her and showed her what they were dealing with she said, and I quote again, "DO NOT PUT THAT ALIGNMENT EQUIPMENT ON THOSE WHEELS". When they asked her why she said "Because I know who's car that is."

Again, they were quite embarassed after the whole fuse pull thing. The fact that I had to fix my own car while they told me time and time again that there was nothing wrong with it.

I then asked her if she knew that these wheels were FACTORY EQUIPMENT, she said yes, but she didn't feel comfortable with them working on it.

Basically the 370.00 thing was their way of telling me that they won't work on a modified car.

So there you have it. I showed the Pfadt spec sheet to a local shop and he said he'd do it for 90.00 so I will have him do it on Monday.

Bay Chevrolet won't work on a car that has been modified with aftermarket stuff.

I got no problem with that. But they should have just told me that to begin with.

(I feel that she wasn't completely honest with me on how it all went down but I do know that they just didn't want to fool with it because they had some rookie guy working on it at the time)
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Old 02-06-2010, 11:58 AM   #52
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I paid $65.95 for a four wheel alignment at at GOOD shop..

The price they quoted you is a complete rip off.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:42 PM   #53
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Oh ya, took this picture while I was there, with my iPhone.

The cost of an alinment was on the list.

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Old 02-06-2010, 03:05 PM   #54
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Oh ya, took this picture while I was there, with my iPhone.

The cost of an alinment was on the list.

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Is there a way to make this... ... REALLY BIG?

Where's some pics? Couldn't tell much from the vid so close in the garage.
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Old 02-06-2010, 06:11 PM   #55
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Where's some pics? Couldn't tell much from the vid so close in the garage.
Well, I am putting some on as soon as I get to the house. I'll be leaving the office in about 15 minutes.
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Old 02-06-2010, 06:41 PM   #56
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OK Randy, I'll do it for $350.00...

Just dirive it to FL and I'll hook you up.



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Old 02-06-2010, 06:50 PM   #57
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Ok, I picked the car up earlier today. The paint work was perfect. They did a really good job. Painted the whole rear deck lid. No problems there.

I just couldn't allow myself to leave without talking to the service manager.

She of course remembered me from the situation that led up to the fuse pull. I asked her why the alignment would cost so much and she said that when they saw the car was so much lower that they didn't know what to do. I dont' have time to post the entire conversation but the 'long short' of it was, and I quote from her, "These guys do tune ups, oil changes and simple service work, they don't do performance modifications. They aren't trained for that kind of thing."

So I figure she did me a favor.

When they came to her and showed her what they were dealing with she said, and I quote again, "DO NOT PUT THAT ALIGNMENT EQUIPMENT ON THOSE WHEELS". When they asked her why she said "Because I know who's car that is."

Again, they were quite embarassed after the whole fuse pull thing. The fact that I had to fix my own car while they told me time and time again that there was nothing wrong with it.

I then asked her if she knew that these wheels were FACTORY EQUIPMENT, she said yes, but she didn't feel comfortable with them working on it.

Basically the 370.00 thing was their way of telling me that they won't work on a modified car.

So there you have it. I showed the Pfadt spec sheet to a local shop and he said he'd do it for 90.00 so I will have him do it on Monday.

Bay Chevrolet won't work on a car that has been modified with aftermarket stuff.

I got no problem with that. But they should have just told me that to begin with.

(I feel that she wasn't completely honest with me on how it all went down but I do know that they just didn't want to fool with it because they had some rookie guy working on it at the time)

I'm sorry but that is BS I am a service manager at the Chevy store here in Mt and aftermarket components do not complicate the process. Sounds like they need to grow a pair and do their job. I'm thinking jacking the price up on repairs their afraid to do is going to hurt their rep. You got any other options for a Chevy store that will work with you?
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Old 02-06-2010, 07:46 PM   #58
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OK Randy, I'll do it for $350.00...

Just dirive it to FL and I'll hook you up.



I told you. Sell the mazda and I'll let you borrow my car. Till yours gets here................. err..............I mean,,,,, THERE!!!!!!!!!

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I'm sorry but that is BS I am a service manager at the Chevy store here in Mt and aftermarket components do not complicate the process. Sounds like they need to grow a pair and do their job. I'm thinking jacking the price up on repairs their afraid to do is going to hurt their rep. You got any other options for a Chevy store that will work with you?
She said she wouldn't let them put the alignment equipment on those wheels. Even after I reminded her that they are GM wheels. She simply said she didn't feel comfortable with it. Bay Chevrolet.

Yes, there are several other Chevy dealerships still here.

So you agree with me here? So help me God, EVERYTHING I've stated is 100% accurate. As of right now, my car is still not aligned. I may hit up UJ Chevrolet Monday. I'm getting my windows tinted just down the street.

I'd love someone to call them and ask them WTF?

I'm totaly fine with it if they would have just told me they won't do work on a modified vehicle, but why the 370.00 price tag? She said the 'service writer' charged me for full hourly price and made a mistake but SHE'S the one who said they would knock 1 hour off and make it 270.00 so I know I'm not getting the full story. The oddest part of it all is they won't work on a product that I bought from THEM. (talking about putting the equipment on the wheels) I don't know what the equipment looks like as I don't know anything about it but still, I think if I bought it from them, and they are GM parts, they should feel comfortable doing it. Am I missing something?
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:02 PM   #59
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Lesson learned, just take it somewhere else. Alignments are a specialty. Not every tech knows how or does alignments. They may just have no good mechanics there for something like your car. Alignments aren't a big deal. Don't be afraid to try, (dare I say), Ford or the other one.
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Old 02-07-2010, 12:45 AM   #60
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i paid $60 for a 4 wheel alignment
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Old 02-07-2010, 01:08 AM   #61
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Old 02-07-2010, 03:30 PM   #62
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Tell them you'll pay 200.00 and thats it. 370.00 and they can go fondle themselves.

All else fails, take it to NTB and they'll do it for 100 or less.
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Old 02-07-2010, 05:03 PM   #63
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Tell them you'll pay 200.00 and thats it. 370.00 and they can go fondle themselves.

All else fails, take it to NTB and they'll do it for 100 or less.
Taking it tomorrow to a shop near our freinds detail shop. I'll get it aligned then tinted.
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Old 02-07-2010, 05:46 PM   #64
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my dealership told me that there is not alignment for the back wheels.
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Old 02-07-2010, 09:13 PM   #65
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With an independent rear suspension you will have rear toe and camber adjustments. Even with a regular fixed axle you still have thrust angles. 98% of cars never need any adjustments at the back, Camaros would definitely fall in the under 2% category. My dealer told me that alignments when car is brand new are useless because the suspension bushings are still breaking in. Need to wait a few 1000 first.
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Old 02-08-2010, 12:24 AM   #66
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my dealership told me that there is not alignment for the back wheels.
There is after you lower it.
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Old 02-08-2010, 12:41 AM   #67
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I had Eibach springs and sway bars installed including a 4 wheel alignment for $500. For $370 they are clueless.

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NTB said i need a camber kit????/
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We do a 4-Wheel Computerized Alignment at my shop for $99.00. Lone Star Camaro Club members get 10% off of that price as well !!
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NTB said i need a camber kit????/
These cars already have eccentric kits in the rear and all you have to do is loosen the 2 strut bolts to adjust the fronts. I don't know why they said you need camber kits??
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:49 PM   #71
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Martin I went to Quick Align in New Braunfels. Thats who Henderson Performance contracts with. Good people there. $97 and that's because of the $30 fee for the extended wheels.


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Old 02-23-2011, 04:36 PM   #72
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No they didn't. I'm taking it somewhere else.

I know that Pfadt gives the specs necessary but what are the chances they need to do more extensive stuff ie....parts..... to do the alignment?

It should run about $125.00 at most for a 4 wheel alignment for the Camaro.

No parts required. the suspension is pretty adjustable. You would need to slam a curb to need parts.

I have had my car aligned at *least* 6 times or so last year.. Adding new suspension items and checking alignments after changes, or trying something different for an Autocross Race.
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A high quality Pedders spec alignment takes 90 minutes on the alignment rack. The shop rate per hour times 1.5 is what the alignment should cost. The next time you need an alignment feel free to have the shop call Pedders. We'll tell them what they need to know is couple of minutes.
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Alignments can vary widely by what you want done. Those basic $79 alignments are on machines that aren't as finely tuned as some of the newer systems plus there are tech's that just say "in the green is good". However when the stock camber calls for 0.9 degrees negative and the tollerance is +/- 1.0 degrees..... You can see the issue. A normal alignment shop doesn't take the time to get things even. So if you right camber is 1.2 degree negative, and your left camber is 0.2 degrees positive, you can see that it's "still in the green" but not EVEN CLOSE to what it should be. It takes real time and effort to even things out and even more time and TALENT to diagnose it if something isn't working right with a performance vehicle. So as always, you GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

We charge $179 for our normal 4 wheel alignments. More if there are adjustable arms, camber/caster plates/ or crazy eccentrics everywhere. This also includes 1/2 a tank of fuel average AND driver weight compensation (cuz who really cares what the specs are when you're NOT IN IT). I cannot tell you how many people get their cars aligned without weight in the driver seat and just how much your camber and toe change once there is 200 lbs extra in the car.

Corner scaling for coil over systems and a real bump steer set up can cost upwards of $400 each if not more for a real track or street car NOT including alignments. Anyway, I could ramble on for hours about chassis set ups and alignments so I just thought my race car crew chief 2 cents would be appreciated.
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Sounds like you're being gouged solely based on having lowering springs. Lowering springs changes NOTHING with respect to alignment work. All the OEM adjustment points are still there. It's more likely that they want to charge you extra for their own time spent learning how to align a Camaro.

Dealers usually have these kind of work priced out already. Oil change, front brakes, four wheel alignment. So, it's no excuse to charge a premium for a "modified" car. Their original quoted price of $370 works out to over 3 HOURS of labour!!!! That's insane.
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