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Old 02-26-2011, 07:55 PM   #76
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$120.00 my local wheel and alignment guy for 4 wheels including all angle adjustments. Anything higher sounds unreasonable imo.
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Old 02-26-2011, 11:03 PM   #77
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I took mine to the dealership and mentioned the left rear tire looked off. They didn't think so, but checked anyway. Fixed it and didn't charge me. When I got my car, the owner of the dealership called me and told me to bring it in if I ever found anything wrong with it.
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Old 02-27-2011, 07:24 AM   #78
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i was told that when i get mine aligned here that it will be a little more b/c they will loosen the rubber bushing and relax them. they are going to charge me a hour shop time on top of the regular price. has anyone else been told this??
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:36 AM   #79
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All i want to know is how PQ finds all these ppl, if a dealer told me $120 i will run from them, Only go to ppl that know what there doing.
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Old 02-27-2011, 05:35 PM   #80
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It is the technician and not the price. It is the technician and not the equipment. Rob Anderson (Wretched Motorsports) is a manager at Expert Tire. He a an exceptionally loyal customer base and in my opinion gives away alignments. Eirc and Rich at Back Street Performance have an older alignment rack, but have been racing for over 30 years including track side support. They do fantastic work. Bruce Raymond (Raymond's Alignment) has state-of-the-art equipment and they do outstanding alignment work.

How do I know? They are Pedders Dealers and I have had them do work on my personal cars. I get a lot of alignments, but that is another story.

It all boils down to the technician having the skills and commitment to doing the job right. Talk to the shop owner or manager. Tell them exactly what you expect them to do. They will get enthusiastic because they know you as a customer will appreciate their work or start coming up with excuses not to do your alignment.
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:51 PM   #81
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A high quality Pedders spec alignment takes 90 minutes on the alignment rack. The shop rate per hour times 1.5 is what the alignment should cost. The next time you need an alignment feel free to have the shop call Pedders. We'll tell them what they need to know is couple of minutes.
The guys that finally did it had it done in no time and if I recall, only charged me 95.00 to do it. It's been perfect ever since.

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Alignments can vary widely by what you want done. Those basic $79 alignments are on machines that aren't as finely tuned as some of the newer systems plus there are tech's that just say "in the green is good". However when the stock camber calls for 0.9 degrees negative and the tollerance is +/- 1.0 degrees..... You can see the issue. A normal alignment shop doesn't take the time to get things even. So if you right camber is 1.2 degree negative, and your left camber is 0.2 degrees positive, you can see that it's "still in the green" but not EVEN CLOSE to what it should be. It takes real time and effort to even things out and even more time and TALENT to diagnose it if something isn't working right with a performance vehicle. So as always, you GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

We charge $179 for our normal 4 wheel alignments. More if there are adjustable arms, camber/caster plates/ or crazy eccentrics everywhere. This also includes 1/2 a tank of fuel average AND driver weight compensation (cuz who really cares what the specs are when you're NOT IN IT). I cannot tell you how many people get their cars aligned without weight in the driver seat and just how much your camber and toe change once there is 200 lbs extra in the car.

Corner scaling for coil over systems and a real bump steer set up can cost upwards of $400 each if not more for a real track or street car NOT including alignments. Anyway, I could ramble on for hours about chassis set ups and alignments so I just thought my race car crew chief 2 cents would be appreciated.
I guess that's fine. But Bay Chevrolet does NOT fit ANY part of what you are describing.

Bottom line is a simple owering spring and a simple alignment. I don't need all that.

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All i want to know is how PQ finds all these ppl, if a dealer told me $120 i will run from them, Only go to ppl that know what there doing.
OH, I ran. Haven't been back since. I have Terry Thompson Chevy do mine now. Bay Chevrolet wouldn't align mine because she was afraid of the wheels. THEIR wheels. The GM ones I bought FROM THEM.

I really do get amazed at the info that streams sometimes. How some shops can't, or refuse, or are scared to do what another shop does in no time.

Hell, I still can't get a universal opinion on wether a wheel is supposed to move up and down a certain amount when spinning.

I just got done this morning with another members used 22s he bought having my shop mount and balance his and his were much smoother than mine EVER were. I guess some wheel companies acceptable tolerance is much more than others.

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It all boils down to the technician having the skills and commitment to doing the job right. Talk to the shop owner or manager. Tell them exactly what you expect them to do. They will get enthusiastic because they know you as a customer will appreciate their work or start coming up with excuses not to do your alignment.
HARD as hell to find someone who even really gives a shit. Seriously. Mobile, AL sucks BAD for this.
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HARD as hell to find someone who even really gives a shit. Seriously. Mobile, AL sucks BAD for this.
You summed it up perfectly. The tech has to give a shit. I should have said that in the first place.
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You summed it up perfectly. The tech has to give a shit. I should have said that in the first place.
What I wouldn't give for some personal service sometimes.

I actually have built kind of a repore with the shop that does my wheels. Pretty sad that I've had to have them do my wheels this many times, haha, but this morning they punched a hole in my sidewall on the front wheel. (I am finally putting in the sensors that Savini lost and later replaced)

They put two same size tires on my car so I can drive it and ordered a replacement for me. I'll go back on Monday and get it finished. Point is, I can have a bad experience like this morning and end up feeling great about it because they seemed to care. Took a while to get them to, but they do now. They explain stuff to me instead of try and BS me. Hey, I don't mind paying for great service as long as I'm getting it.

And I brought them another member (tlc9193) this morning that had work done. (His wheels look amazing) I try to take care of those who take care of me. And that's the way business works.

These days, unfortunately, we tend to feel like we are REALLY being taken care of when the retailer or servicer just doesn't mess anything up. The minimum that won't cause problems is all we want and are super satisfied to get it. Translation: It's not that hard to please a customer, so it should be really easy to impress them. I try to run my business so as to go that extra mile. Our clients stay happy because we just do a little extra and people they notice it. We CARE.

What I wouldn't give for a shop locally that get's this. The lack of said shop is the reason I'm getting pretty good at doing my own stuff.
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An old friend of mine likes to say -- Great Service isn't expensive. Great Service is PRICELESS.
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:25 PM   #85
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An old friend of mine likes to say -- Great Service isn't expensive. Great Service is PRICELESS.
Exactly.
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:44 PM   #86
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most people arent looking for top service... they want it cheap, and if you're $5 higher than the next guy, they go to them... the glass industry is the same way! people rarely care about the quality of parts and supplies you use, or your experience, they want it cheap and if they can get a used part for you to install to save money, they'll do that... we can thank big box stores and fast food for this...
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most people arent looking for top service... they want it cheap, and if you're $5 higher than the next guy, they go to them... the glass industry is the same way! people rarely care about the quality of parts and supplies you use, or your experience, they want it cheap and if they can get a used part for you to install to save money, they'll do that... we can thank big box stores and fast food for this...
It's true. I own a service based business. We make our money by giving personal care and attention.

Retail is surely harder to compete. Service is REALLY easy. REALLY easy. Blows my mind that it's so hard to find, BUT a company is only as good, to a particular customer, as the employee who dealt with him/her.

But, ya, many people want cheap. We are NOT cheap. But we keep our clients.
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My Eibachs are still in the box since April, yes APRIL. One place says I need Camber extensions, another says I don't. One says need bump stops cut, or need different shocks..... pains me.
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My Eibachs are still in the box since April, yes APRIL. One place says I need Camber extensions, another says I don't. One says need bump stops cut, or need different shocks..... pains me.
Nope you don't need camber extensions, whatever those would be on a 5th Gen. I do believe the Eibach instructions call for cutting the bumpstops. Coil replacement on the 5th Gen is really straight forward and it shouldn't be that hard to find a shop with the skill to do the work.
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Did they also tell you to wear sweatpants and bring a jar of vaseline when going to pick up the car?


Dealer here in St. Pete, FL (Maher Chevy) 79.99 Alignment...Tiresplus 49.99 Alignment......
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Dealer here in St. Pete, FL (Maher Chevy) 79.99 Alignment...Tiresplus 49.99 Alignment......
There are shops that will do quality alignment work at very reasonable prices. That said, making six adjustments in the front and four adjustments in the rear is not a a 30 minute alignment, especially when you want a Pedders spec alignment. Pedders spec alignments are tight alignments and not green range alignments. The allowable green range tolerance is generally a degree. That would mean your right front wheel could be 0 degrees camber while your left front is -1 degree. By the book and the machine that car is correctly aligned. You can do a green range alignment very quickly. Doing it right takes time.

Don't buy the price. Buy the result. You may be surprised to find that one or both of the shops you mentioned will do a Pedders spec alignment for the posted price. You may also be surprised to find they won't. Tell them what you expect and be prepared to pay for the level of quality you demand.
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My Eibachs are still in the box since April, yes APRIL. One place says I need Camber extensions, another says I don't. One says need bump stops cut, or need different shocks..... pains me.
Whoa........... Dude. Load them damn things up and bring them to my house. Let's put em' on and run down to my guy and do an alignment.

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Nope you don't need camber extensions, whatever those would be on a 5th Gen. I do believe the Eibach instructions call for cutting the bumpstops. Coil replacement on the 5th Gen is really straight forward and it shouldn't be that hard to find a shop with the skill to do the work.
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Just got a message from them about 30 seconds ago. She said they would chock up one of the hours researching the specs to educational benefit on how to do a 4 wheel alignment on a modified car and do it for 280.00 instead.
I had my wife's SUV aligned for $79.00

A week later, the same shop wanted $180.00 to do the Corvette and said they were "being nice, as it was with our performance specs" and should have been an hourly charge...

They were supposed to give me a written quote (they didn't) and when they insisted on charging me $180.00 after doing the work and giving me the key back, I asked what they would like to be paid for the work - as close to $79.00 was my suggestion
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I had my wife's SUV aligned for $79.00

A week later, the same shop wanted $180.00 to do the Corvette and said they were "being nice, as it was with our performance specs" and should have been an hourly charge...

They were supposed to give me a written quote (they didn't) and when they insisted on charging me $180.00 after doing the work and giving me the key back, I asked what they would like to be paid for the work - as close to $79.00 was my suggestion
It's just so hard to find shops who are confident. And it seems like every shop thinks differently. Half the shops out there now days don't really know much.
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It's just so hard to find shops who are confident. And it seems like every shop thinks differently. Half the shops out there now days don't really know much.
You are VERY RIGHT! I see this and hear of this EVERY DAY!!!

But in the case of an alignment, the "rack" does most of the work (through computers) and lasers...

I big part though of the alignment, is setting up the equipment to "read right" on the car.

Also, considering the Corvette had been in the shop a whopping 20 minutes, I did think the $180.00 was excessive.
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You are VERY RIGHT! I see this and hear of this EVERY DAY!!!

But in the case of an alignment, the "rack" does most of the work (through computers) and lasers...

I big part though of the alignment, is setting up the equipment to "read right" on the car.

Also, considering the Corvette had been in the shop a whopping 20 minutes, I did think the $180.00 was excessive.
A shop cannot do an alignment in 20 minutes. It takes time to put it on the rack, mount the heads and 'calibrate' the vehicle to the computer. That leave about one minute each fro front camber, front toe, castor sweep with another computer rack required set, rear camber and rear toe. Maybe with an assistant and every tool neatly laid out ready to go and every nut and bolt worked exactly like new and the car was in almost perfect alignment to start and required almost no adjustment...

The rack doe not do ANY work. The rack just shows the alignment specs. The work is done by the tech with wrenches and years of experience. It is the technician and NOT the rack that does quality alignment work.


I'll say it again. Communicate to the shop manager what you expect. Find out in advance how you are going to be charged. You will leave the shop with a quality alignment at the price you expected to pay or leave to find another shop.
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