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Old 02-05-2010, 11:41 AM   #1
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spohn or BMR

i have been searching and have fround 2 retailers for the trailing arms and toe links (they both carry similar products). i have never heard much of either companies personally but their designs are different. spohn uses a tubular bar and BMR uses a square bar. although spohn price is less.

does anyone have any experience with either and what is the preferance and why?

i am planning to do the sways, springs, trailing arms, toe links, and sub frame connectors before any performance mods but am just doing research first.

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Old 02-05-2010, 12:36 PM   #2
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i have been searching and have fround 2 retailers for the trailing arms and toe links (they both carry similar products). i have never heard much of either companies personally but their designs are different. spohn uses a tubular bar and BMR uses a square bar. although spohn price is less.

does anyone have any experience with either and what is the preferance and why?

i am planning to do the sways, springs, trailing arms, toe links, and sub frame connectors before any performance mods but am just doing research first.

thanks
I'm sure either would be fine. Both are well known for putting out good parts. As far as difference between tubular vs square, in this case, there's not much difference. BMR opted to go square bar which is very strong. From looking at most of BMR's stuff, they use it alot. Spohn went with 4130N Chrome moly round bar which is very strong as well and has the added benefit of being very light. The key is, both are considerably stronger than OEM and I highly doubt you could bend either.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:41 PM   #3
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thanks, i guess i will consider the less expensive one. maybe either or can put out a package deal at a discounted price.

i will keep my eyes peeled to see if any deals arise before spring.
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I have seen both in person, personally I like and have the Spohn myself but BMR is excellent as well. You will be perfectly happy with either.
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I personally prefer BMR products simply due to the history I have using them. I have used them on all of my vehicles over the past 12 years, and I will continue to do so.

My current project, the Camaro, will be no different. I plan to use as much BMR stuff as I can get my hands on.
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Our Trailing arms and Toe Rods are built overkill so strength is definitely not an issue there. The Toe Rods are the same price as Spohns. On the Trailing Arms we chose to go with stronger square tubing with a double-reinforced rear box. This is more expensive (only by $20) yet we feel necessary because of the 3800 lb. weight of this platform and the fact that this arm is subjected to heavy compression loading under acceleration. Both items are in stock, subframe connectors too!
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good to know, my major concern is quality as well. are you planing on putting a package discounted price together in the future, one that would include the trailing arms, toe rods, and the sub frame connector (does the subframe connector come with the tunnel brace or is that extra?)

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We have not yet finalized what the packages will consist of however we are currently working on 6 different Handling packages and 2 Drag race packages. Look for them to be announced shortly.

The Tunnel Brace does not ship with the Subframe Connectors, it is sold as a separate part. We purposely kept it separate so that it could be installed by itself if needed.
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can you install the factory tunnel brace with the BMR frame connectors?
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Factory tunel brace has to be cut with BMR Subs, I replaced with BMR's brace.

For the $90, just replace it.

I prefer BMR's tunnel brace to Spohns flat plate design. Too much like the stock brace.
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Factory tunel brace has to be cut with BMR Subs, I replaced with BMR's brace.

For the $90, just replace it.

I prefer BMR's tunnel brace to Spohns flat plate design. Too much like the stock brace.
I wonder just how much flex the factory tunnel brace endures? It appears to be more side to side, which would make the OEM one ok. Spohn's looks to be a heavier gauge steel.

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Do you have plans to make a tunnel brace that drops down a little, in the open section? Several people are having issues, myself included, with aftermarket exhausts hitting the factory brace with hard bumps. There's a thread from a member where he built his own brace that dropped down. I don't think it would take much for you to make a thinner cross bar and weld it evenly with the bottom of the existing bracket. This would give the 3/4-1in void needed to keep the exhaust from hitting and wouldn't change the lowest point of your existing brace. I'll only charge you the price of one for my car for the idea.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:01 PM   #12
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I wonder just how much flex the factory tunnel brace endures? It appears to be more side to side, which would make the OEM one ok. Spohn's looks to be a heavier gauge steel.

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Do you have plans to make a tunnel brace that drops down a little, in the open section? Several people are having issues, myself included, with aftermarket exhausts hitting the factory brace with hard bumps. There's a thread from a member where he built his own brace that dropped down. I don't think it would take much for you to make a thinner cross bar and weld it evenly with the bottom of the existing bracket. This would give the 3/4-1in void needed to keep the exhaust from hitting and wouldn't change the lowest point of your existing brace. I'll only charge you the price of one for my car for the idea.
There is a little extra clearance built into our tunnel brace. I can tell you that I installed a Magnaflow 3" catback and had plenty of room to spare between the exhaust and the tunnel brace. If we see people having clearance issues with our tunnel brace we may change it up a little bit, but so far we have no seen nor heard of any issues.
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BMR is great i would go with them over spohn any day! Im going to be using there whole line on my personal car.
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There is a little extra clearance built into our tunnel brace. I can tell you that I installed a Magnaflow 3" catback and had plenty of room to spare between the exhaust and the tunnel brace. If we see people having clearance issues with our tunnel brace we may change it up a little bit, but so far we have no seen nor heard of any issues.
Here's the thread. It has a few people that are hitting it. It does look like yours drops a little but it would be nice to have one that's purposefully dropped at least 3/4in.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61445
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Yeah, my Corsa Cat-back clunks the tunnel brace on pot holes. I am putting the car back on the rack to finish toes, now that I have the correct bushings, and may throw a couple shims between subs and brace. the resonators seem to be hitting. Next option might be to remove resonators, but not sure how that effects system.
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there not the only game in town, hotchkis will be releasing theirs soon, very nice product thats going through there extensive test and evaluation procedures. i have there track pack already and love it, waiting for the rest of there soon to be released products.
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We carry the Spohn line of parts on our site, there have been fitment issues on some aftermarket trailing arms that caused the arms to hit the rims when using much smaller diameter drag rims, the Spohn arms clear 100%.

Both are good, but i prefer the Spohn quality, people, and support.
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We have an updated trailing arm we are working on for all the guys running the 16" drag wheels.
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Here's the thread. It has a few people that are hitting it. It does look like yours drops a little but it would be nice to have one that's purposefully dropped at least 3/4in.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61445
Right now our tunnel brace has a 3/16" drop and another 3/16" drop when used with our subframe connectors. I know 3/8" is a long way from 3/4" but as Kyle mentioned above this has been tested on our own 3" Magnaflow exhaust and there is plenty of clearance (with that kit anyways). We could easily make an offset brace if aftermarket exhausts continue to cause problems but it may be beneficial at that point to go to a gusseted plate-style brace to minimize ground clearance issues.

Everybody just keep us posted on your concerns and ideas, customer feedback is what makes these forums great!
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Right now our tunnel brace has a 3/16" drop and another 3/16" drop when used with our subframe connectors. I know 3/8" is a long way from 3/4" but as Kyle mentioned above this has been tested on our own 3" Magnaflow exhaust and there is plenty of clearance (with that kit anyways). We could easily make an offset brace if aftermarket exhausts continue to cause problems but it may be beneficial at that point to go to a gusseted plate-style brace to minimize ground clearance issues.

Everybody just keep us posted on your concerns and ideas, customer feedback is what makes these forums great!
How low is your current tunnel brace? It looks like it's more than enough if you replace the current square bar with a flat piece, welded level with the bottom of the side brace. Maybe two seperate pieces spaced apart or put the waterjet to work for a cool design on a full sheet to save on weight. That would provide the needed clearance and still be more than rigid enough for the intended purpose of the brace.
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How low is your current tunnel brace? It looks like it's more than enough if you replace the current square bar with a flat piece, welded level with the bottom of the side brace. Maybe two seperate pieces spaced apart or put the waterjet to work for a cool design on a full sheet to save on weight. That would provide the needed clearance and still be more than rigid enough for the intended purpose of the brace.
You should check out the G1 tunnel brace. It's made to clear 3 inch exhausts.
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Hi xtreme industries,

Please give consideration to our Pfadt Race Engineering suspension products if you are looking for components that are designed by motorsport and OEM engineers. All of our products undergo both physical and virtual testing, and we post our results. Please take a chance to check out our trailing arm and toe link solutions below.

Please give us a call and speak with one of us to understand the differences between the products you mentioned, and ours. We pride ourselves on reaching the customer and helping them figure out exactly where they want to take their vehicle.

Thanks!

Trailing Arm thread:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62693



Toe Link threads of interest:
bent link from Daytona two weekends ago: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64119
Pfadt Race Engineering Toe Link: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54813
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Hi xtreme industries,

Please give consideration to our Pfadt Race Engineering suspension products if you are looking for components that are designed by motorsport and OEM engineers. All of our products undergo both physical and virtual testing, and we post our results. Please take a chance to check out our trailing arm and toe link solutions below.

Please give us a call and speak with one of us to understand the differences between the products you mentioned, and ours. We pride ourselves on reaching the customer and helping them figure out exactly where they want to take their vehicle.

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Trailing Arm thread:
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bent link from Daytona two weekends ago: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64119
Pfadt Race Engineering Toe Link: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54813
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i do like your products but i know nothing about welding for the toe rod. i just want something that is reasonably priced, better then OEM, and i can bolt in with minimal to no special tools. your products are phenominal and look good also but for a street car that may see the track 2 times a year, i dont need top of the line. i am sure i will be buying some of your products in the future though.
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