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Old 04-07-2010, 12:21 PM   #1
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Z/28 should be on sale in Spring, not "late 2011"!

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/08/2...e-loses-120-p/

Just read the thread arguing about releasing the Z/28 early 2011 instead of late 2011 and I agree. Notwithstanding feasibility concerns, the argument that a late release is better for sales is BS.

Check out link above: 2011 Shelby GT500 will be on sale in Spring for delivery in Summer. What, do you think Ford is stupid? There's a reason why they're making a profit (despite Mustangs being outsold by Camaros), and GM is not. Obviously Ford knows how to release a car properly.

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Old 04-07-2010, 12:47 PM   #3
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Just read the thread arguing about releasing the Z/28 early 2011 instead of late 2011 and I agree. Notwithstanding feasibility concerns, the argument that a late release is better for sales is BS.

Check out link above: 2011 Shelby GT500 will be on sale in Spring for delivery in Summer. What, do you think Ford is stupid? There's a reason why they're making a profit (despite Mustangs being outsold by Camaros), and GM is not. Obviously Ford knows how to release a car properly.

Who told you GM was not profiting? You are sadly misinformed......

Ford released this car half at a time...the style in '10, and the powertrain in '11. I'm sure there's more than a few Mustang enthusiasts who feel shafted because of this. Not to mention, GM managed to design, engineer a build a car from scratch in just a hair over two years. One of the fastest turnarounds they've ever achieved...why is Ford's release strategy so superior?

Let them take their time to build it absolutely right...I have a feeling it will be multiple times worth the wait. Plus, it's a non-essential "extra" car. Low sales volume means it's not as important as say...an SS, or LT.
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that gt is going to be hard to beat.very impressive numbers.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:11 PM   #5
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Just read the thread arguing about releasing the Z/28 early 2011 instead of late 2011 and I agree. Notwithstanding feasibility concerns, the argument that a late release is better for sales is BS.

Check out link above: 2011 Shelby GT500 will be on sale in Spring for delivery in Summer. What, do you think Ford is stupid? There's a reason why they're making a profit (despite Mustangs being outsold by Camaros), and GM is not. Obviously Ford knows how to release a car properly.

Its my understanding that feasibility is THE reason for late 2011. They'd be selling them today if they could.
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:57 PM   #7
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fair enough, but let's just not perpetuate the lame argument that it's "better" for sales to release late in the year, especially for a sports car. That's garbage, and clearly refuted by the success of the 2010 Camaro sales every single month until now.
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fair enough, but let's just not perpetuate the lame argument that it's "better" for sales to release late in the year, especially for a sports car. That's garbage, and clearly refuted by the success of the 2010 Camaro sales every single month until now.
well how many more people ordered after the car came out? how many people ordered the car during the winter knowing they weren't going to see the car until sometime the following year? seriously I see a late 2011 (fall/winter) release not a bad idea. If that's the amount of time they need to get the car right. if it takes less time to get it right then it will be out sooner then later. but think for a min. hardcore enthusiasts will eat up the car during the winter months. also southern people will be more likely to buy during the winter then northern people. people will start seeing these cars on the road and it will drag them into the dealers again like the 2010 did. carrying the camaro sales higher due to demand being stretched out. why be so negative to a winter release of a HIPO car?
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What, do you think Ford is stupid? There's a reason why they're making a profit (despite Mustangs being outsold by Camaros), and GM is not. Obviously Ford knows how to release a car properly.
Actually, Ford sold more Mustangs in 2009 than GM did Camaro's (66,623 to 61,618). Granted, the Camaro was only on-sale for 9 of the 12 months, but it's still the way the numbers will go in the record books.

What will be interesting is how the 2011 MY sales turn out. Camaros will likely continue to be in high demand and the Mustang has new powertrains. Time will tell.
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Actually, Ford sold more Mustangs in 2009 than GM did Camaro's (66,623 to 61,618). Granted, the Camaro was only on-sale for 9 of the 12 months, but it's still the way the numbers will go in the record books.

What will be interesting is how the 2011 MY sales turn out. Camaros will likely continue to be in high demand and the Mustang has new powertrains. Time will tell.
Every month the Camaro was available it outsold the Mustang last year and every month this year so far.
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Every month the Camaro was available it outsold the Mustang last year and every month this year so far.
Correct. That still does not change the fact that Ford sold more Mustangs in 2009 that GM did Camaros. YTD 2010, GM has sold more Camaros than Ford has Mustangs.
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Correct. That still does not change the fact that Ford sold more Mustangs in 2009 that GM did Camaros. YTD 2010, GM has sold more Camaros than Ford has Mustangs.
Yeah but you have to admit 2010 was a down year for Mustang sales. 66k isn't good.

The bottom line is GM needs to get a Z/28 out ASAP. It's clear the Camaro is a hot car and they need to add more flavors to keep the hype going. The 5.0 and V6 Mustangs are making a lot of noise respectively and we haven't even got to the 2011 GT500 yet.
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fair enough, but let's just not perpetuate the lame argument that it's "better" for sales to release late in the year, especially for a sports car. That's garbage, and clearly refuted by the success of the 2010 Camaro sales every single month until now.
I'd still say its better to release it in late 2011 than early 2012.
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100,000+ coupes....20,000 verts......

what if only 5000 Z28's?
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Yeah but you have to admit 2010 was a down year for Mustang sales. 66k isn't good.

The bottom line is GM needs to get a Z/28 out ASAP. It's clear the Camaro is a hot car and they need to add more flavors to keep the hype going. The 5.0 and V6 Mustangs are making a lot of noise respectively and we haven't even got to the 2011 GT500 yet.
But it was a down year for nearly everything. GM didn't even sell half a million pickups. They're usually well clear that with the Silverado alone.
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Old 04-08-2010, 10:45 PM   #16
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100,000+ coupes....20,000 verts......

what if only 5000 Z28's?
price on those 5000 z28's? and where do I find a dealer with one that isn't asking over MSRP?
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some dealers NEVER sell over msrp....but many have names waiting.
yea and the sad part is I have a dealer that won't sell over msrp. just a small town dealer and depending on the number of Z's. . .I won't be able to get one from them. but I am #1 on his list.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:53 PM   #19
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Actually, Ford sold more Mustangs in 2009 than GM did Camaro's (66,623 to 61,618). Granted, the Camaro was only on-sale for 9 of the 12 months, but it's still the way the numbers will go in the record books.
He never said for the year. By his statement the Camaro did outsell the Mustang, so you can stop being a Mustang Troll/Fanboy. Thanks!!
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He never said for the year. By his statement the Camaro did outsell the Mustang, so you can stop being a Mustang Troll/Fanboy. Thanks!!
he never gave any time frame, so technically ford has sold a shit ton more mustangs than camaros.
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He never said for the year. By his statement the Camaro did outsell the Mustang, so you can stop being a Mustang Troll/Fanboy. Thanks!!
Fan of the Mustang? Guilty as charged. Fan of the Camaro, also, and almost every other performance/musclecar produced. Troll, not so much, but you're welcome.
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Fan of the Mustang? Guilty as charged. Fan of the Camaro, also, and almost every other performance/musclecar produced. Troll, not so much, but you're welcome.
Huh, my bad. I was just calling you a fanboy/troll based on the sum total of your posts on here being fanboyish in character. The troll comment was more directed at the fact that anytime anyone points out where the Camaro is better you bring up the mustang or GT500 being better (reference your above posts or any Camaro vs. GT500 thread). I have read some of they and they are good for some laughs. From your post I am now quoting I can now see that I was mistaken because you love all muscle cars, and I am very sorry (If I could only find that sarcasm smiley )

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GT is a good car, but imo if GM put out the z28 b4 SS demand is fully soaked up then it could canabalize sales.

kind of mean but at least people who just bought an SS wont feel ripped of they didnt wait a few more months..
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what if only 5000 Z28's?
I'd say closer to 10,000 total first year.... I hope. I don't think 5,000 would meet demand. garagelogic, you may know better then I do, but I think GT500's have sold 21,000-22,000 since 07? I think 10,000 in 07 alone?
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Yeah but you have to admit 2010 was a down year for Mustang sales. 66k isn't good.
I can guarantee the reason for their lower numbers has LESS to do with the Economy, and more to do with the Camaro. I for one would probably get a 5.0 if there was no such thing as a Camaro...........let's face it, it is the next best thing to a Camaro!
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