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Old 08-30-2008, 07:48 PM   #1
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HID..GM : To whom concern

It is my believing that the HID system should be a standard feature in all Camaro versions.

The new Camaro is a XXI century car, isn't it?

The fancy, sporty and fasty cars on the world, Mercedes, BMW, Ferrari, Lambos (and others not that fancy, like VW, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda etc) have this HID system. A fashion matter? I don't think so. These cars are among the more secure cars over the roads. So, HID system is a security feature.

My 97 TA was modified with 300 dollars (at most) spent in a pair of Hella lens housings DOT approved, and a BiXenon (Hi/Lo beams in the same bulb). The headlight performance improve dramatically, a wide and deeper light beam lets to take evasion manouvers with more anticipation than the normal halogen bulbs (even the new ones with "blue" & brighter beams).

It is my believing the the LED system should be in the stop lights as well. Again, for security matters.

Come on..... we are talking about a XXI century car!!!

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Old 08-30-2008, 08:24 PM   #2
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I think most average cars have HID's as an option, don't they?
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Old 08-30-2008, 09:51 PM   #3
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They are trying to keep the entry LS at a low price point.

Halogens are plenty bright. Fine for me.
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Old 08-31-2008, 12:34 AM   #4
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No car under 30k has HID standard, If you want them standard be prepared to pay.
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Old 08-31-2008, 12:42 AM   #5
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^yeah I just can't see an entry level V6 Camaro having HID standard, but it definately should be an option.
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Old 08-31-2008, 02:50 AM   #6
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The SS should have them standard though
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Old 08-31-2008, 03:09 AM   #7
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meh whatever if they dont you can get a set off ebay for 100-150 bucks i've got them in my truck and bike that way first set i had lasted little over 4 years i think. there deffinatly worth it. even if they dont come standard or as an option.
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Old 08-31-2008, 03:56 AM   #8
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you make a good point haul. I plan on getting the SS for sure, but I really am not thinking about going for the RS package. Aftermarket parts ALWAYS look better because you have more to choose from, and you can find the style that fits you best.

And like you said, the HID's will be all over ebay within 5 months of release.

EDIT: Lol, you can buy HID conversion kits from halogen bulbs on ebay for like $10-$20. They may not be 100% legal though, because as far as I know, you need a special housing for HID.
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:28 PM   #9
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because as far as I know, you need a special housing for HID.

nope both of mine directly fit in the stock harness and factory housing. all you do is specify what light you have 9005 9006 h4 ect. the wires plug into your original harness and the hid element plugs into your old light housing like a brand new bulb would.
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:36 PM   #10
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nope both of mine directly fit in the stock harness and factory housing. all you do is specify what light you have 9005 9006 h4 ect. the wires plug into your original harness and the hid element plugs into your old light housing like a brand new bulb would.
No hi energy ballast with the kit?
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:40 PM   #11
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No hi energy ballast with the kit?
ya they plug into the stock wiring.


stock harness -> ballast -> HID element
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They need LS to be competitive to Dodge Challenger SE and the entry Mustang. Don't sweat it, it's gonna be harder to find the stripped down LS than it will be to find some with more options.

It will be probably collectable to have the halogens vs the more common hid's.
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Old 09-01-2008, 02:57 AM   #13
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what? I was under the impression that the RS package only had the HIDs, not base V6, or even base SS...why would I buy an SS/RS if everything (spoiler, hids, taillamps) are already included in the base SS? There has to be some incentive.
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:40 AM   #14
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Old 09-01-2008, 10:39 AM   #15
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hid all the way for me
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Old 09-01-2008, 10:48 AM   #16
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Not everyone wants HID.
I honestly can't imagine who wouldn't. The visibility is just so much more superior with them, there's no downside as far as I can tell.
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Ah your right I was thinking they would only be on non RS LS's.

Aye and SS without them would be embarassing in 2008 at it's price point.
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:23 PM   #18
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Maybe I'm wrong, but an item or device (alone) costs more than the installed in a chain of production. I guess, 50% less......maybe more, for quantity reasons.

I would prefer a HID system installed from factory than aftermarket one.

I insist, GM should consider to install the HID system in all Camaro versions for security matters....the cost would be less.

The sunroof, the LED interior lighting etc etc are not important items in the overall performance of a car...they should be custom items by itself, not in "packages".

IMHO...again
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:38 PM   #19
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Maybe I'm wrong, but an item or device (alone) costs more than the installed in a chain of production. I guess, 50% less......maybe more, for quantity reasons.

I would prefer a HID system installed from factory than aftermarket one.

I insist, GM should consider to install the HID system in all Camaro versions for security matters....the cost would be less.

The sunroof, the LED interior lighting etc etc are not important items in the overall performance of a car...they should be custom items by itself, not in "packages".

IMHO...again
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I want everything installed from the factory, thus covered under warranty.

I have no interest in adding much to my vehicle that isn't stock.
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:40 PM   #20
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Maybe I'm wrong, but an item or device (alone) costs more than the installed in a chain of production. I guess, 50% less......maybe more, for quantity reasons.

I would prefer a HID system installed from factory than aftermarket one.

I insist, GM should consider to install the HID system in all Camaro versions for security matters....the cost would be less.

The sunroof, the LED interior lighting etc etc are not important items in the overall performance of a car...they should be custom items by itself, not in "packages".

IMHO...again
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I don't care nearly as much about the interior lighting as I do the exterior. At the same time, I think that the RS package is a great business opportunity for GM to make some money. Selling the HIDs exclusively with the RS package will help rebuild GM's portfolio. If GM offered such high-demand options in every car, GM could get some money back in the bank. At the same time as I want these for cheap, I want mine to stand out from a base model. I'm sure that eventually the HIDs will be standard.

I'm very worried that the interior LEDs won't be offered in enough colors. I want green accents in mine, and I may get the option if it falls within my wallet just to replace the LEDs later. OEM on this type of equipment is almost always superior. I encourage potential modders to keep away from eBay unless they are buying name brands for their Camaro. There are a lot of cheap parts sold on eBay.
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:40 PM   #21
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I honestly can't imagine who wouldn't. The visibility is just so much more superior with them, there's no downside as far as I can tell.
Lots of people see them as a gimmick, or just a way of showing off. There are also those who think airbags and seat belts are a waste
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Old 09-02-2008, 05:01 AM   #22
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I want to check out both at night and see if there's a real difference. I like the look of the halo's over the regular lights. But, if the halo's don't put out as much light, I really don't see the point.
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Old 09-02-2008, 07:54 AM   #23
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I for one feel they should be as standard as seat belts (on every car). I have driven with them and I have driven without them, and the difference is...well night and day (pardon the pun). I have been out on the motorcycle at night and when coming up on a vehicle with HIDs stayed right with him, so I could use his lighting. The reason there is such a cool factor is they are relatively new and different. If every car on the road had HIDs then the halogens or what ever color someone could come up with would be the "trick" custom thing to do. I understand the pricing thing, remember when the Lincoln mark 8 was the first American car to get those? The cost was a couple thousand bucks! At any rate, I think they are fantastic lights, yes they look cool, but the better visibility is the real attraction. I am so glad they are at least an option.
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I want to check out both at night and see if there's a real difference. I like the look of the halo's over the regular lights. But, if the halo's don't put out as much light, I really don't see the point.
It's hard to explain the difference, it's almost like HID light is "cleaner"...more focused...sorta. Everything just looks cleaner and better.

Also, from "the other drivers" point of view it is much easier on the eyes....I have very good night vision, which means oncoming headlights really hurt my eyes. But HID are somehow not painful like halogens.
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I want to check out both at night and see if there's a real difference. I like the look of the halo's over the regular lights. But, if the halo's don't put out as much light, I really don't see the point.
The halo's and the HID aren't one and the same. I'm not sure if you're just saying 'halo' in a general sense or if you're actually calling the headlights 'halo'.

I know you're well informed due to having been here for quite some time, so if I'm reading your post wrong I apologize.

But the 'halo' is just the dim ring AROUND the HID headlamp.

I've never driven a vehicle with HID headlamps, but I can't imagine they wouldn't give off a much higher brightness compared to halogens. Why else would they name them HIGH INTENSITY? lol

I know when I'm driving they are much harder for me to look at with their bright blue/white color compared to the easier on the eyes yellowish color of halogens.
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