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Old 08-31-2008, 03:04 PM   #1
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Question New Camaro: Muscle car or Sports car???

Hello to all. I'm new to the forum, but like everyone else am a lifelong Camaro lover. I'm very much looking forward to the new Camaro hitting the streets. Especially since it will be about the same time I'll be buying a new car. Yay me.

I do have a question though. Is the new Camaro going to be a muscle car in the traditional sense? Or will it be a modern American sports car like the Corvette?

The reason I ask is because the new Camaro will be built on an independant rear suspension. IMO, the use of the solid rear axle was the last hold over from the muscle car days. Now we have not only a modern suspension design, but also 400 hp of FI power and a six speed tranny. Plus modern braking, traction/handling control, ergonomics, computer tech, etc.

If we looked at these specs in a Toyota/Porsche/Nissan/BMW/etc. it would automatically be considered a sports car.

So will the Camaro be considered a "muscle car" just because it traditionaly always has been? Or will it be considered a world class "entry level" sports car?


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Old 08-31-2008, 03:11 PM   #2
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its a muscle car but it will handle like a sports car imo

a sports car is a g35
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Old 08-31-2008, 03:22 PM   #3
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i think the Camaro is a sports car with a muscle car heart.

Its got the IRS and all kinds of others things, which you mentioned above, which would put it into a "sports car" class...

.... but at the end of the day. its still a camaro with a big rumbling V8.
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Old 08-31-2008, 03:27 PM   #4
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There's always the question of what is a sports car, and what isn't. Old purists say only convertibles. Others will say two seaters. The last couple generations, by virtue of their styling , i could say were sports cars. The 5th gen, with it's musclecar styling, i just don't know. Plus, it's sizeable weight.
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50/50 A Muscle car that handles great is what the SS/RS LS3 will be.
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Old 08-31-2008, 04:19 PM   #7
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Its a Muscle Car aka Pony Car.

You want a sports car? Go buy a Corvette...

BTW...Muscle cars / Pony Cars are more fun IMO.
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i think the Camaro is a sports car with a muscle car heart.

Its got the IRS and all kinds of others things, which you mentioned above, which would put it into a "sports car" class...

.... but at the end of the day. its still a camaro with a big rumbling V8.
IRS? can someone explain what it means
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I say both at once. the styling and power of a muscle car, and the handling and sophistication of a sports car.
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IRS? can someone explain what it means
Independent Rear Suspension. The opposite of SRA (solid rear axle).

I figure it's an American sports car. Muscle car heritage. It has evolved with time. Evokes the emotions of a muscle car, but has all the capability of a sports car.
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IRS... Independent Rear Suspension
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Now we have not only a modern suspension design, but also 400 hp of FI power and a six speed tranny.
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Fuel Injection

I know it's normally EFI, but thats what he meant.
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It's a muscle car because of its heritage and because it defines what a muscle car truly is.

Last time I checked, the definition of a muscle car wasn't so specific. A muscle car is just a 2x2 rear-wheel drive car that is either small (AKA a pony car) or midsize with a V8 dumped into the engine bay at an affordable price. Cheap thrills, basically.

The Camaro, I believe just raises the bar for the term as it adds refinement to the muscle car namesake, yet it's still a musclecar. Just because you renovate your living room for the better doesn't mean it's no longer called a living room. Heck, if we are going to stop calling a muscle car as such just because of an IRS and a higher quality interior, let's stop calling Aston Martin's grand touring cars or Lambos "exotic supercars" since they got upgraded technology too. It's just progression is all.

People have added so many subtleties to what a musclecar is these days.

If it had too many options or if you couldn't strip it, it's not a muscle car. Really? What of the late 70's Trans Ams? Not a lot of power, but they're considered musclecars and they had more options than you have teeth (assuming you have a good set of whites).

If everything was too showy or upscale, screw that, it's not a muscle car, it's a "personal luxury car" - really? What of the Mercury Cougar?

Or god forbid, the age old notion - if it's a sedan, it's not a muscle car.

The term Muscle Car lowers down to the RWD aspect, the V8 aspect, and most importantly the cheap price aspect.

The only reason the new Camaro would not be a muscle car is if it's priced too expensive. But in the end, we feel a warm gooey feeling inside when we call it a muscle car since what is a Camaro as a sports car? The Vette's younger brother that rides the short bus? No. It's a freakin' muscle car - always has been, always will be. Not because it has a V6 or a V8 or it has IRS or a live axle with rusty gears... it's because it's a Camaro. A performance vehicle that has offered true, honest American power at a price the average person can afford, and to this day has never failed to compromise despite its little vacation in 2002.
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It's a muscle car because of its heritage and because it defines what a muscle car truly is.

Last time I checked, the definition of a muscle car wasn't so specific. A muscle car is just a 2x2 rear-wheel drive car that is either small (AKA a pony car) or midsize with a V8 dumped into the engine bay at an affordable price. Cheap thrills, basically.

The Camaro, I believe just raises the bar for the term as it adds refinement to the muscle car namesake, yet it's still a musclecar. Just because you renovate your living room for the better doesn't mean it's no longer called a living room. Heck, if we are going to stop calling a muscle car as such just because of an IRS and a higher quality interior, let's stop calling Aston Martin's grand touring cars or Lambos "exotic supercars" since they got upgraded technology too. It's just progression is all.

People have added so many subtleties to what a musclecar is these days.

If it had too many options or if you couldn't strip it, it's not a muscle car. Really? What of the late 70's Trans Ams? Not a lot of power, but they're considered musclecars and they had more options than you have teeth (assuming you have a good set of whites).

If everything was too showy or upscale, screw that, it's not a muscle car, it's a "personal luxury car" - really? What of the Mercury Cougar?

Or god forbid, the age old notion - if it's a sedan, it's not a muscle car.

The term Muscle Car lowers down to the RWD aspect, the V8 aspect, and most importantly the cheap price aspect.

The only reason the new Camaro would not be a muscle car is if it's priced too expensive. But in the end, we feel a warm gooey feeling inside when we call it a muscle car since what is a Camaro as a sports car? The Vette's younger brother that rides the short bus? No. It's a freakin' muscle car - always has been, always will be. Not because it has a V6 or a V8 or it has IRS or a live axle with rusty gears... it's because it's a Camaro. A performance vehicle that has offered true, honest American power at a price the average person can afford, and to this day has never failed to compromise despite its little vacation in 2002.
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Old 08-31-2008, 08:48 PM   #17
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I'm willing to call this a sports car and here's why. While at the Woodward Dream Cruise this year I got to talk to a guy who worked for Pedders suspenions and races his G8. He when on to give me a long list of cars he's driven and he says that "this platform has one of the best IRS's I've ever driven." I think that says a lot! It's a muscle car at heart though like someone above stated.
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Fuel Injection

I know it's normally EFI, but thats what he meant.
Thanks for clarification. I'm a turbo guy...FI to me means forced induction.

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New Camaro: Muscle car or Sports car???

That's a good question. Short answer is YES, and YES. The best comment I've ever heard on the subject was years ago, a race car driver commented... "Americans build cars to survive running into a brick wall, Europeans build a car that you can drive around it." Now we can do either
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It's a Sport Coupe in more professional term. A "Pony Car" in U.S. history / lore. And the V8 models are indeed also "Muscle Car".

In UK also known as a "Yank Tank" etc etc
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It's a Sport Coupe in more professional term. A "Pony Car" in U.S. history / lore. And the V8 models are indeed also "Muscle Car".

In UK also known as a "Yank Tank" etc etc
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Imo, the 5thgen is a sports car with Muscle car lineage - which makes it that much better than either one alone.
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muscle with better handling.
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I truly believe sports cars shouldn't have rear seats classicaly anyway but that's just me. However the automotive world seems to have gone beyond that, so I can accept 2+2 sports cars or sports coupes as the case may be, I will not however accept four door coupes (dodge charger) as that is an oxymoron. That's my rant sorry. Sports Car, Muscle Car, Pony Car, as long as it's a Camaro I don't care what else you call it.
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