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Old 02-08-2010, 11:05 PM   #1
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Coilovers..trying to decide

So I want to go with coil overs. Im sitting hear reading, and I keep reading KW is far better than Pedders, but why? Can pedders respond? KW? I personally have never heard of Pedders, but have dealt with KW in the past, so I am swaying towards them. What make these two companies different?

The KW V3 and Pedders XA should be in direct competition.?.?.?

I guess what Im trying to get at is, wanna drop the SS, dont want to lose ride quality, and the roads around here suck..potholes and such.
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How about these coil-overs from Pfadt!



American Made ( quality )!

These coilovers feature an inverted valve body for lower un-sprung mass, which means a better travel over the road for the suspension. The valve is larger then typical units for durability and strength. These units have quick and easy 16 way adjustments for ride dampening and rebound, so you can dial in the comfort level you want, and since the coilover assembly sets ride height with the perch adjustments you do not sacrifice any suspension travel. I would say from your descripiton this coilovers would be ideal for your situation, for quality, strength, and smooth driving operation.

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Old 02-09-2010, 08:43 AM   #3
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How about these coil-overs from Pfadt!



American Made ( quality )!

These coilovers feature an inverted valve body for lower un-sprung mass, which means a better travel over the road for the suspension. The valve is larger then typical units for durability and strength. These units have quick and easy 16 way adjustments for ride dampening and rebound, so you can dial in the comfort level you want, and since the coilover assembly sets ride height with the perch adjustments you do not sacrifice any suspension travel. I would say from your description this coilovers would be ideal for your situation, for quality, strength, and smooth driving operation.

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Will be truly awesome. But they are unavailable currently. Ask me how I know... :

As for one mfg vs another, I would be asking questions like:
1. How are the adjustments made? (top or bottom for ease of adjustment)
2. Are the adj separate? (you really have to understand your rebound vs compression to make full use of this option)
3. Do you really need ALL that adjustment?
4. Are the adjustments truly incremental or once passed a certain level does it just go straight to linear
5. Overall weight of each unit
6. Can be rebuilt/serviced?

Just my .02 ... and FWIW, I'm getting Pfadt's if they ever come in....the Pfadt's are 16 position adjustables that do both rebound & compression at the same time per each adjustment. They are incremental up to position 14 where they go linear and would really only work on the track... (a little birdie told me )
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Will be truly awesome. But they are unavailable currently. Ask me how I know... :

As for one mfg vs another, I would be asking questions like:
1. How are the adjustments made? (top or bottom for ease of adjustment)
2. Are the adj separate? (you really have to understand your rebound vs compression to make full use of this option)
3. Do you really need ALL that adjustment?
4. Are the adjustments truly incremental or once passed a certain level does it just go straight to linear
5. Overall weight of each unit
6. Can be rebuilt/serviced?

Just my .02 ... and FWIW, I'm getting Pfadt's if they ever come in....the Pfadt's are 16 position adjustables that do both rebound & compression at the same time per each adjustment. They are incremental up to position 14 where they go linear and would really only work on the track... (a little birdie told me )
Hah, Soon they will be done in production soon my friend. There are a few kits out their, so they do exist, we are just waiting on this first batch to start the snow ball

Oh and these are east Asian specials like some cheaper competitors...Which will blow out after 5000 miles, and ride like rubbish.

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Old 02-09-2010, 09:23 AM   #5
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How about these coil-overs from Pfadt!

American Made ( quality )!

These coilovers feature an inverted valve body for lower un-sprung mass, which means a better travel over the road for the suspension. The valve is larger then typical units for durability and strength. These units have quick and easy 16 way adjustments for ride dampening and rebound, so you can dial in the comfort level you want, and since the coilover assembly sets ride height with the perch adjustments you do not sacrifice any suspension travel. I would say from your descripiton this coilovers would be ideal for your situation, for quality, strength, and smooth driving operation.

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Didnt know Pfadt made coilovers..thanks for making my life harder!

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Will be truly awesome. But they are unavailable currently. Ask me how I know... :

As for one mfg vs another, I would be asking questions like:
1. How are the adjustments made? (top or bottom for ease of adjustment)
2. Are the adj separate? (you really have to understand your rebound vs compression to make full use of this option)
3. Do you really need ALL that adjustment?
4. Are the adjustments truly incremental or once passed a certain level does it just go straight to linear
5. Overall weight of each unit
6. Can be rebuilt/serviced?

Just my .02 ... and FWIW, I'm getting Pfadt's if they ever come in....the Pfadt's are 16 position adjustables that do both rebound & compression at the same time per each adjustment. They are incremental up to position 14 where they go linear and would really only work on the track... (a little birdie told me )
Great point. I mean my car will never see a road course, just a drag strip. But I do like too throw in the corners. I think the KW's and Pedders both have easy adjustment access, looks like Pfadt does also. Gotta continue researching...
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Old 02-09-2010, 09:25 AM   #6
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The Pedders xa coil overs are very high qaulity.They are not a full racing shock they are a cross between every day driving and some auto cross or track day use.they can be adjusted from 1" up to 2" lower without changing the amount of suspension travel due to the height adjustment being made at the lower mount.the shock valving has 30 settings for your personal needs.these adjustments are what allows the car to set lower and not compomise the ride qaulity.There are serveral companies out there that make a good shock but only Pedders was chosen to be installed on every Gm owned Camaro for the 2009 SEMA show.
They are also the preffered suspension being used on the Nickey,Berger And Yenko camaros to name a few.
The Pedders company is a family owned company from Au with a reputation for qaulity.There are authorized dealers in most states to help with installation,sales,technical information or warranty should somone need help.For more information about Pedders their web site is Peddersusa.com
We are not only a dealer but are an end user, we have them on our 2010 camaro.they are a great value.
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:52 AM   #7
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I got the KW V3 on the way. Will be hear tomm. I picked them because Pfadt was taking to long and I was suffering on the road course with those factory struts. I will let you know how the KW's perform.

Also Try Maperformance they have the best pricing like $1720 shipped to your door for KW V3. Nobody here can beat that. And they have them all in stock. There new website is www.performancelsx.com
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:19 PM   #8
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I went with Pedders and I have a set for sale in the classifieds section. 30-way adjustable and they have a solid reputation with GM racing and on the GTO forums.
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I got the KW V3 on the way. Will be hear tomm. I picked them because Pfadt was taking to long and I was suffering on the road course with those factory struts. I will let you know how the KW's perform.

Also Try Maperformance they have the best pricing like $1720 shipped to your door for KW V3. Nobody here can beat that. And they have them all in stock. There new website is www.performancelsx.com
I can beat that price Just have to ask, as that's advertised to low for manufacturer restrictions.
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:51 PM   #10
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I got the KW V3 on the way. Will be hear tomm. I picked them because Pfadt was taking to long and I was suffering on the road course with those factory struts. I will let you know how the KW's perform.

Also Try Maperformance they have the best pricing like $1720 shipped to your door for KW V3. Nobody here can beat that. And they have them all in stock. There new website is www.performancelsx.com
Thanks!..1720 is the lowest I seen yet!..Im sure the KW's will perform great, 99% sure Im going with them. Make sure you post your results some where

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I can beat that price Just have to ask, as that's advertised to low for manufacturer restrictions.
Really..Mind PM'ing me your price? Instock?
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:46 PM   #11
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pfadt and pedders both make excellent coil overs.
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:51 PM   #12
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Thanks!..1720 is the lowest I seen yet!..Im sure the KW's will perform great, 99% sure Im going with them. Make sure you post your results some where



Really..Mind PM'ing me your price? Instock?
Not at all, done & done. Current ETA on stock order is 2/18



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Old 02-09-2010, 02:01 PM   #13
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Brandon,

Please PM me a price on the KV 3 also

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Old 02-09-2010, 02:04 PM   #14
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I was kinda wondering if the V1s would be plenty good for people who just want a lower stance and improved performance, but don't autocross. I've had fully adjustable suspension before when I was drag racing, and it was pretty impressive how much range they had. But that was a different time and I don't plan on racing anymore.
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Fellows great news the shocks from Maperformance showed up today. Not bad ordered on friday afternoon and on my door step this am. They have these things in stock that means alot to someone like me. I want everything as soon as I order it. Will be doing the install tomm. Will return with some results. (just got to figure out how to read all this german.)
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IMHO: you can not go wrong with Pedders. The quality is unsurpassed and they are the now being offered (soon) by GM on several performance vehicles. I believe they had the top performing Camaro at the OPTIMA CHALLENGE. They make a lot of "kits" so be sure to compare. For my money if your serious about track performance then Pedders is the way to go. The only issue with them is that the products now so popular they can not keep up with demand.

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I'm leaning towards KW or Pfadt myself. Pfadt is $$ tho.
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Once more question..I plan on doing a 1.25-1.50" drop..will I have any trouble getting it in alignment? Do I need to buy anything special?
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Once more question..I plan on doing a 1.25-1.50" drop..will I have any trouble getting it in alignment? Do I need to buy anything special?
Pedders has some very distinct advantges over most coil overs:
1. No matter what height you set them at, you still have full suspension travel, which gives killer ride quality
2. GM has checked them out more than any other coil over. GM bought a ton of them for all their Camaros at Sema. We did not give them to them.
3. We offer 30 way detented adjustability with a Monotube, high pressure gas strut.
4. Some of the coil overs will not allow you to adjust the high speed part of your dampers. Pedders will
5. KW does not warrant their coil overs if you race. Pedders does


As far as alignments, it depends on where you want your alignment at; within GM specs or optimum alignment.

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Pedders has some very distinct advantges over most coil overs:
1. No matter what height you set them at, you still have full suspension travel, which gives killer ride quality
2. GM has checked them out more than any other coil over. GM bought a ton of them for all their Camaros at Sema. We did not give them to them.
3. We offer 30 way detented adjustability with a Monotube, high pressure gas strut.
4. Some of the coil overs will not allow you to adjust the high speed part of your dampers. Pedders will
5. KW does not warrant their coil overs if you race. Pedders does


As far as alignments, it depends on where you want your alignment at; within GM specs or optimum alignment.

Hope this helps

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So who does offer lifetime guarantees? Thanks.
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Nor does KWs. Plus if you race KW's then that will void their warranty

So did you sell you GTO to get a Camaro?
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Pedders has some very distinct advantges over most coil overs:
1. No matter what height you set them at, you still have full suspension travel, which gives killer ride quality
2. GM has checked them out more than any other coil over. GM bought a ton of them for all their Camaros at Sema. We did not give them to them.
3. We offer 30 way detented adjustability with a Monotube, high pressure gas strut.
4. Some of the coil overs will not allow you to adjust the high speed part of your dampers. Pedders will
5. KW does not warrant their coil overs if you race. Pedders does


As far as alignments, it depends on where you want your alignment at; within GM specs or optimum alignment.

Hope this helps

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Don't the Pfadt and the KW v3's allow height adjustment while retaining full travel as well? Or did I miss something?
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Don't the Pfadt and the KW v3's allow height adjustment while retaining full travel as well? Or did I miss something?
You didn't miss anything
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Because we have not officially launched our coilovers yet, there is not a tremendous amout of details out there on them. I'll try to fill in a few of the high points of what is coming very soon. Those of you who made it to SEMA could see the package, but that has been the only real public showing. I've added some info below in regards to the features of the Pfadt coilovers and why they are a bit more expensive as a result.

The main features of our Pfadt Coilovers:

*Inverted monotube design in on the front strut. This provides that really large shaft section that you see with our front coilover. That is important because the front strut takes cornering loads in these cars and the stiffer the tube, the better. This has the effect of placing the adjuster knob on the bottom of the strut for easy access. It is a click style adjuster with 20 clicks that are very positive and easy to feel. It is a simple matter of reaching around the front tire and making a couple of twists to change your damping. There are no unnecessary adjustment levels. More clicks does not mean more dampening adjustment.

*Inverted body design on the rear damper. This reduces unsprung mass (a good thing) and also places the adjuster at the bottom of the damper where you can reach it. It is also a click style adjuster wrapped around the shaft section just below the spring perch.

*Our dampers in both the front and rear feature single point adjust-ability which controls both compression and rebound damping together. This is a design that we have found to be very flexible and user friendly in our Corvette offerings. Basically, you do not need to be a damper engineer to be comfortable making adjustments and it is easy to switch from a 'street' setup to a 'track' setup with just a few clicks.

*Our damper are mono-tube design and feature a separate internal gas chamber, which in the industry is referred to as 'non-emulsion' design. Mono-tube non-emulsion shocks are what you find on most every production based race car everywhere. It is the best design and provides the most consistent and reliable operation. Many of the other offerings for the Camaro are not, ask the manufacturer if you are curious.

*Our coilovers take a 'standard' flat ground race spring. Many other use a custom spring to fit the Camaro specifically. Using a standard spring size allows extreme flexibility in spring rate choice. You can call up any race supplier and order springs in 25 lb/in increments that will work on our coilovers. We provide a set with our coilovers that will work well for most people, but the flexibility is there for those who want it.

*Our Coilovers work with our Pfadt camber plates. Adjust front camber easily, quickly, and in a repeatable fashion. These are good for well over an extra degree of negative camber (relative to the OEM adjustment). These are available separately, for the OEM strut, or our coilovers.

*Our coilover design has been the result of extensive testing, and engineering analysis. We have these capabilities in-house, and exploit this at every opportunity. Our company has expertise built on OE engineering, and actual motorsport experience.

Another benefit of our company is that we are here to talk to you. If you want to speak with one of our engineers, just give us a call. We pride ourselves on customer interaction. I hope the points outlined above give you a good idea of the differences. Please get in touch with us if you need any further info, we appreciate it. Thanks!
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