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Old 02-20-2010, 02:05 PM   #69
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2. You mention that the resonator in the SOLO has “No Seems” unlike the Magnaflow. I’m sure you’re correct but since I’ve never seen inside either one I’ll just have to take your word on it. Even so what difference does it make to have a Seem or not? If for some odd reason it came apart or something Magnaflow has a lifetime warranty and I would be able to get another one. Although that would be a PIA. What are the advantages of a “No Seem” resonator? Look at your picture, the X-Pipe has horizontal seems. The flow cannot be as smooth and the pressure would change going from the pipe to the resonator and back to the pipe. I am no engineer, but it is a cheaper way to make an x-pipe........ stamped.
The seems in the core of the Magnaflow resonators and mufflers doesn't affect flow, they've been flow tested and it sounds like a Marketing ploy to me... I'd love to see a picture of the internals on the SOLO.

3. You mention the SOLO has extra wobble to rid the system of drone on the highway. I haven’t heard any drone from this system so far. I even took my neighbor for a ride today and he said his 300c with Borla has drone in it and he definitely didn’t hear any in mine. So…whatever Magnaflow did I assume they did what they needed to do to address drone as well. I agree, their is more than one way to achieve the same result. I was just explaining how the owner of SOLO explained to me why their system is different. He felt over time their design was more stable and would keep the same tone.
Baffles and chambers affect airflow more so than seems on a tube. Magnaflow raps the core with stainless steel and they pack them with basalt, the sound quality is very consistent after 1500 miles or so. The systems such as Borla that use Fiberglass packing do blow out. I've NEVER blown a Magnaflow out even at over 1000 RWHP....

4. SOLO has different holes in the pipes compared to other companies. What difference does the different size and amount make? I’m not trying to be a smart ass….I’m curious about what the difference it makes? To me the Magnaflow sounds good. The difference is in the depth and smoothness of the tone. I personally like the tone better out of the SOLO compared to the other systems I have heard in person. These are personal opinions, each person has to hear both in person and decide for themselves.

The perforation quantity and size controls sound quality as does the packing. The more holes you have and the larger they are the quieter it will be. There are other factors to this as well including how tightly the muffler is packed, loser means quieter but it also means more turbulence.

5. There are a couple flat spots in the factory system but you cut out all but one of them if you go this route. Yes is may not be perfect but I doubt very seriously that it’s going to make enough of a difference that you would ever hear or feel in performance. In theory it would, in reality, who knows for sure. I was just pointing out the fact that their are many differences in going your way or buying a complete and balanced system that was quality built and designed to work together. That doesn't mean that it is not good enough for you, it is all a matter of what you are looking for. I am not into Frankensteining things like this. I like a complete, cleanly manufactured product on my cars..........that is just me.
The minor flat spots up front aren't going to cost you 2 HP unless we start getting into crazy power levels. I agree I'd prefer a cat-back but for the cost this is a good option for people. I know Magnaflow list price is higher than SOLO but our prices are cheaper than theirs so if you were going with a cat-back that shouldn't be a factor.

6. Yes....bolting on any cat-back system on these cars is easy. However...I didn't even do that much. I just stood there and took pictures while someone else did all the work. Although I personally have no issue with putting on a cat-back on these cars. I have access to a lift but others may not. - All you need is ramps to put on the SOLO system, not a lift. I have heard as little as $50 being charged fro installing the Mach X at one members local mechanic. It takes less than an hour.
This is true but it wasn't what caverman was going for...

7. The savings isn't a few bucks.....it's a few hundred bucks. Again, if you have it I would definately go SOLO, if you don't then this is a good alternative. To me, it is worth saving for quality built products, a few hundred dollars is peanuts when you are talking about a $37,000 car. But again, this is a personal decision and my opinion. I understand and respect yours as well.
The Magnaflow Comp Series is almost $100 cheaper than SOLO's system with our discount.

I’m not knocking or questioning the design of SOLO at all. I’m actually still strongly considering the SOLO system….I’m sure I can sell my current setup for a little bit of money and I’ll have to just chalk up the difference to learning curve. However ever for only $325 this will get me by for a little while. I totally understand and think it was a pretty clever way of approaching your budget restraint. I did not read your thread and answer thinking you were knocking SOLO. Just that some people will read this and take it to the max as if it is "as good" as a complete balanced system. I am not knocking this set-up, but simply pointing out that "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR". This way may be OK for those that do not care about the things I pointed out, or what is hanging under their car. But their are those like me, who do, so I was just pointing out the difference. No disrespect was meant, just a point, counterpoint, discussion for others to read and hopefully benefit from. That is what makes these forums so great! Be well my friend and enjoy your new sound!
I will say I think Magnaflow makes a better product than SOLO. It's Made in the USA, it has a Lifetime Warranty and it's straight through with NO chambers. I've run chambered mufflers and I never will again.

I was simply posting my opinions here because there is some mis information regarding Magnaflow's design and I'd put money down that in real world testing the Magnaflow system will make more power.

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Old 02-20-2010, 05:04 PM   #70
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Well....looks like I'm staying with Maganflow anyway. After I end up paying someone to fix the first round mis-haps then I don't see myself laying down money for another system until I buy some headers.

With the price JDP can get on a Magnaflow Comp Series...WOW...best prices I've seen by far. I've been trying to tell everyone to call JDP and this just proves that point.

I still say the resonated x-pipe with a muffler delete is a very good sound...no matter if you have a local guy do it, buy the Magnaflow Comp, or SOLO.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:33 PM   #71
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This sure is a long thread over something relativley simple and minor. I know we all like a throaty exhaust sound. Love my magnaflow and have it on all three of my cars. Caverman, when you adjust the tailpipes be sure you do not go forward too much. Several owners that did muffler deletes or axel back etc went short of factory tailpipe location and scortch/blistered the rear plastic facia. A little protruding, like factory, looks just right anyway. Glad you finally got your Red Camaro. As a side tip you might want to buy your products from the individual that will install the product. This gives you much satisfaction if rattles or problems appear later. Friendship is a two way street. Good Luck
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:28 AM   #72
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i found the magnaflow pipe on summit for 102 shipped. i thought you said you got it for around 80 shpped or am i seeing things??
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:55 AM   #73
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i found the magnaflow pipe on summit for 102 shipped. i thought you said you got it for around 80 shpped or am i seeing things??
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Old 02-21-2010, 10:43 PM   #74
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Old 02-22-2010, 09:02 AM   #75
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I will say I think Magnaflow makes a better product than SOLO. It's Made in the USA, it has a Lifetime Warranty and it's straight through with NO chambers. I've run chambered mufflers and I never will again.

I was simply posting my opinions here because there is some mis information regarding Magnaflow's design and I'd put money down that in real world testing the Magnaflow system will make more power.

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All due respect, you sell Magnaflow. But I was not saying Magnaflow is total garbage, I was explaining why I like SOLO better, and why I think it is a better product, as a consumer. The Solo System is straight through. The Mach cat back systems are hand built in Upstate NY and Canada.

I own a Magnaflow Cat Back system on my SKY Redline and the sound changed a lot over 3 years and is to the point of droning on the highway now. I will be replacing it with a SOLO system when I get up some bucks. I am NOT a fan of Magnaflow after my experience.

As for a lifetime warrantee, SOLO backs their product 100%.

Warrantee's are BS anyway, To make a warrantee claim for my Magnaflow, I have to take the system down after 3 years and wait for it to ship two ways and then put it back up. In the meanwhile I cannot use my car.

These are just my opinions as a consumer.
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Why doesn't anyone sell the straight pipes for anyone who wants to do a muffler delete?
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:02 PM   #77
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Why doesn't anyone sell the straight pipes for anyone who wants to do a muffler delete?


probably because there isnt enough market for this. After putting it up for sale it would be cheaper for someone to just go to a muffler shop and add pipe on.
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Why doesn't anyone sell the straight pipes for anyone who wants to do a muffler delete?
They do....go look at the SLP Loudmouth axle-back. It's in the $400 range if you want to go that route. It's cheaper to have a muffler shop do it but you can do it yourself if you want.
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Got the car back from the other muffler shop and I am very pleased with what they did. Not real pleased I had to pay another $175 to fix the original mistakes but that stuff happens sometimes.

The tips are done to the correct length this time. They re-adjusted the pipes coming out of the X-Pipe because there was only about ¼” clearance between the exhaust and the brace under the car…now there is almost ½” clearance. They also used a sawsall to make the clean cuts. In one of the pics I had him take you can see the ragged edges inside the old pipe section. No more torched ends!

You can also see where the rear cat was replaced with straight pipe. In the video you can’t really hear a difference but in person I can definitely tell. It isn’t blatantly obvious but it is louder and it was noticeable to me immediately. It also seems to rev up a little faster to me…..nothing over the top but definitely noticeable. Inside the cabin it’s perfect to me for a daily driver….a bit louder but pretty much perfect for my taste. You can hear the exhaust even if the radio it turned up a little bit. I definitely like the cat removal and would recommend it if you have the opportunity. That part cost me $125….and I’m sure someone is going to ask but the answer is “No….there is no check engine light or anything at all”. I did not have to tune my car....it's still on the factory GM tune. You can see the rear sensor right in front of the piece that was cut out. The rear cats aren’t monitored at all.

I am very pleased with this setup and would recommend it to anyone. Parts $175 + $175 labor (what it would’ve cost at the new shop) + $125 for cat delete…..total should’ve been around $475. Use the factory tips and it would’ve been around $375 for everything.

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I was only able to go down to a dead end street and get some still video. Later this week the weather is supposed to get better so I hope to grab a friend and do some more in-cabin and drive by videos.


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Do you get any popping on deceleration? How is the drone inside around 2k?
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Do you get any popping on deceleration? How is the drone inside around 2k?
Yes...there is some popping...you can hear it in my start up/reving video. I don't think you're going to get away from that and I would imagine any Cat-back or Axle-back is going to have it. Heck...it's there with the factory setup but you just don't hear it that much because the factory exhaust is so quiet. I think the resonated x-pipes might tone it down a little more than the non-resonated ones but that's just because the resonated x-pipe seems to give the whole system a deeper tone in general.

As far as drone.....I don't hear any but maybe I'm not understanding what everyone is considering drone. When I take some in-cabin videos (hopefully this weekend) I'll try to get it up on the highway and put it into 6th and get it around the 1.8k-2K RPM range.

I peronally like this setup a lot. I'm sure LT Headers and a 3" system is probably going to sound better but in the mean time and for the money this is a very good in-between system.
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Yes...there is some popping...you can hear it in my start up/reving video. I don't think you're going to get away from that and I would imagine any Cat-back or Axle-back is going to have it. Heck...it's there with the factory setup but you just don't hear it that much because the factory exhaust is so quiet. I think the resonated x-pipes might tone it down a little more than the non-resonated ones but that's just because the resonated x-pipe seems to give the whole system a deeper tone in general.

As far as drone.....I don't hear any but maybe I'm not understanding what everyone is considering drone. When I take some in-cabin videos (hopefully this weekend) I'll try to get it up on the highway and put it into 6th and get it around the 1.8k-2K RPM range.

I peronally like this setup a lot. I'm sure LT Headers and a 3" system is probably going to sound better but in the mean time and for the money this is a very good in-between system.
perhaps some of US are used to drone from other toys we own and dont realize it when it is there ?

I like the way it Sounds. Especially when you downshift like in your other videos and punch it.
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I have an LS3/M6. Next week I will be doing the MD (as well as removing the resonators) while adding Magnaflow resonated x-pipe and keeping the factory tips. I keep flip-flopping about going with the tru-X instead. Seems like everyone doing this has an L99.

Anyone with an LS3 know which would be better, tru-X or resonated X???
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caverman: From what I understand you have a M6 manual. You only get the droan &/or vibration with the auto A6 when the L99 engine goes into AFM 4 cyl mode.
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