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Old 09-04-2008, 06:58 PM   #1
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Thumbs up How to package the Z28 to make sure it happens.

I think the Z28 option is very viable if Chevy/GM packages it the right way. IMO it should be packaged as a "track" car to take advantage of the new IRS.

Let's say they go with something like this.

* Track suspension- lower the car 1" all the way around with increased spring rates, matched dampers and thicker sways.

* Moderate HP increase- Lets say 50 to 60 more horses from a free flowing intake and exhaust along with a slightly different cam profile that raises the power band 500 rpm.

* Track specific tranny and/or rearend gearing package with an appropriate tranny cooler.

* Traditional Z28 "race" stripe package done in paint not vinyl.

* Race harness specific front seat design.

* Various badges and Z28 specific cosmetic details.

None of those changes are radical and are well within design and engineering parameters enjoyed by many of the import sport models. Which would be the competition for hot lapping. Why should these simple "packages" be restricted to only MIJ sports cars.

None are very expensive and the effect on the CAFE #'s would be minimal. Starting with a 422 hp motor you don't have to radicaly change MPG numbers for a reasonable power increase. The lower suspension will actually help wind drag #'s. And as a package it would make for an impressive car that would stand out above even the SS/RS. But stay at a reasonable price point.

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Old 09-04-2008, 07:03 PM   #2
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I wouldn't mind seeing something like that.


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Old 09-04-2008, 08:06 PM   #5
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And then buy the GMPP supercharger... That would be wonderful....
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:33 PM   #6
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And then buy the GMPP supercharger... That would be wonderful....
LOL! DUH!!!

As high as the SS looks like it is, I think it could stand another inch drop personally The painted stripes though - eh. Does anyone remember the Grand Sport from '96? Beautiful paint, red hashmarks, painted stripe if I'm not mistaken. I say painted because they could only built like 1000 of those cars because of the special paint job. We want more Z28s than that; well I do

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LOL! DUH!!!

As high as the SS looks like it is, I think it could stand another inch drop personally The painted stripes though - eh. Does anyone remember the Grand Sport from '96? Beautiful paint, red hashmarks, painted stripe if I'm not mistaken. I say painted because they could only built like 1000 of those cars because of the special paint job. We want more Z28s than that; well I do

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They didn't have a problem in '69 painting stripes on almost 20,302 Z/28s, most all of them had stripes, there were very few without stripes.
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:17 AM   #8
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Well it's nice to dream. The things listed would be VERY expensive to implement on a low volume car run.

Most unlikely - race harness. Not on a production car. Insurance and liability would make that impossible in this litigious society.
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If they don’t want to put a supercharger in it due to CAFÉ then add lightness as Chapman would say. Go CF roof, trunk and hood. Aluminum bits in the suspension. Lightweight 18 or 19” wheels to reduce unsprung weight (those 20’s have to be heavy, put some volks or something else on there), manual Recaro seats (just make sure they recline) and other weight saving measures. And then tweak the engine to about 440hp and shoot for 3,650lbs.

Not saying make it a track car by removing sound deadening, back seats etc. Those who want that can do that on their own.

By making it lighter they can provide a faster and more nimble car that gets the same or better mileage than the SS. If they don’t increase the HP at all they can even improve mileage while still improving all the rest. Seeing as this is a higher trim model they won’t expect volume and can charge a bit more and it has no impact on CAFÉ.
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If they donít want to put a supercharger in it due to CAF… then add lightness as Chapman would say. Go CF roof, trunk and hood. Aluminum bits in the suspension. Lightweight 18 or 19Ē wheels to reduce unsprung weight (those 20ís have to be heavy, put some volks or something else on there), manual Recaro seats (just make sure they recline) and other weight saving measures. And then tweak the engine to about 440hp and shoot for 3,650lbs.

Not saying make it a track car by removing sound deadening, back seats etc. Those who want that can do that on their own.

By making it lighter they can provide a faster and more nimble car that gets the same or better mileage than the SS. If they donít increase the HP at all they can even improve mileage while still improving all the rest. Seeing as this is a higher trim model they wonít expect volume and can charge a bit more and it has no impact on CAF….
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Ok don't shoot me but I think it might be cool for Z28 to be a small, sub 5.0 liter V8 that can meet CAFE but still have that sweet V8 tune.

Runs off stage from pictforks and torches...

Just think that option might be something "doable". But it would be loaded only to keep the price above LT and just below loaded SS.
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Old 09-05-2008, 02:10 PM   #12
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I get where your comming from but I dont like the idea. I want a bad ass Z28(unreasonable? time will tell) I want it blown and with a bunch of extra goodies with a very moderate HP increase.
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I get where your comming from but I dont like the idea. I want a bad ass Z28(unreasonable? time will tell) I want it blown and with a bunch of extra goodies with a very moderate HP increase.



I'm with you bro. I want a super Z28 also, but I honestly don't think it will happen the way we would like. Chevy is never going to give us a Z28 that will perform at the same level as the Corvette. And we are darn close to that with the SS/RS 6M. At 422 hp the SS will fall below the base model Corvette only because of higher drag #'s, higher weight and a slightly less refined suspension.

Chevy will definitely keep the Corvette as the top dog model. I think it's much more feasable to look for a track package like the '69 302 models.


blaSSt- I don't think it will be too expensive because 90% of the required parts will already be on the market. Chevy desperately needs to form partnerships with key aftermarket companies. Look at it this way. Within one year of the SS hitting the street there will be tons of those parts hitting the after market. Developed by companies that specialize in performance parts. Why can't Chevy work with those companies in conjunction with their own performance brand? You know for a fact that Chevy will have to develope spring and shock sets for the aftermarket. Also they will have to bring a performance CAI or RAI and exhaust. They won't have any choice or they will lose all the modification market to the after market developers and manufacturers.
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CAFE loophole: Increase the vehicle's cost thereby limiting the total amount sold annually. I wonder how many people would be willing to pay upwards of $40k for a H/O Z28? Maybe, 550-600 hp?

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CAFE loophole: Increase the vehicle's cost thereby limiting the total amount sold annually. I wonder how many people would be willing to pay upwards of $40k for a H/O Z28?

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Nope, because most people with 40K+ will buy a Vette. IMHO
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Oh yeah, forgot about the vette...
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Ask the question. Will GM make a nice profit from it? If they can't then it's not gonna happen in this environment. Some of this super modding is best left to the aftermarket anyway. That way GM does not have to worry about cost of design, promotion, supply etc for what would be a small production run. A smart idea might be for GM to partner with an aftermarketer so they can just ship them SS's and the partner worries about all the mods and costs.
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I'm thinking an ideal Z28 would be kinda like the NISMO 350Z. Lightweight wheels, optimized aerodynamics, etc. Include a few engine mods to get a slight hp bump, super performance tires, full reconfigurable performance/gauge display, lightweight Recaro seats, and lightening where feasible for a reasonable price.
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^ that seems pretty reasonable. It take one.
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Ask the question. Will GM make a nice profit from it? If they can't then it's not gonna happen in this environment. Some of this super modding is best left to the aftermarket anyway. That way GM does not have to worry about cost of design, promotion, supply etc for what would be a small production run. A smart idea might be for GM to partner with an aftermarketer so they can just ship them SS's and the partner worries about all the mods and costs.

Like SLP did.
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sounds like a pretty costly and timely camaro. painted on stripes??? i dont know anyone who paints on stripes from the factory and more. i think they did that in the day because they didnt have the kind of vinyl and decals we do now. sounds like a good car though. i like the more aggressive cam idea.
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Regarding the super performance tires - why hasn't GM done this more? I know they're using PS2s on the 'Vettes and CTS-Vs (I think) so why have they been SO stuck to Goodyear? I get tired of reading about the GTR being that much better than Z06 but I wonder how much that has to do with tires, for example. I really think better performance tires should be in the mix, as suggested
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Regarding the super performance tires - why hasn't GM done this more? I know they're using PS2s on the 'Vettes and CTS-Vs (I think) so why have they been SO stuck to Goodyear? I get tired of reading about the GTR being that much better than Z06 but I wonder how much that has to do with tires, for example. I really think better performance tires should be in the mix, as suggested
Marketing on Goodyears part. When they sell GM a $200 tire for $10. Goodyear takes the chance people will outfit their cars with OEM tires costing full retail when they need to be replaced.
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Well it looks like we're getting Pirellis. Its a step up.
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Marketing on Goodyears part. When they sell GM a $200 tire for $10. Goodyear takes the chance people will outfit their cars with OEM tires costing full retail when they need to be replaced.
im a big supporter of goodyear. its in my backyard and i know alot of people that work there. i wish they would put goodyears on more cars.
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