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Old 02-12-2010, 08:45 PM   #1
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dry vs wet sump...

dry vs wet sump oiling system. which do you think should be on the Z, and why?
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Dry - here's why:

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Old 02-13-2010, 02:34 AM   #3
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A dry sump system would suit the spirit of the car. I don't know how much more they cost or what the possible weight penalty might be. But if there isn't too much of a downside, I say go for it.
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Old 02-13-2010, 08:09 AM   #4
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A dry sump system would suit the spirit of the car. I don't know how much more they cost or what the possible weight penalty might be. But if there isn't too much of a downside, I say go for it.
I'd agree DG, seems to be in the spirit of the car. But it does add mass at the wrong end of the car. I guess you'd have a small oil pan on the block to offsett some of it. And I don't think an LS3 uses 10 1/2 quarts, and I'm not sure if thats the amount of oil the car actually takes.

But ASSUMING there ever is a Z, I think it would be a nice add, just like it was for the GS Corvette in 2010.
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Old 02-13-2010, 08:40 AM   #5
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Check out this story we recently did for Hot Rod Magazine where we converted a dry sump LS7 to wet sump and installed into a 2010 Camaro with before and after testing.

LS7 Dry Sump to Wet Sump Story

Putting it into the car

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Old 02-13-2010, 09:38 AM   #6
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I read both of those stories, the latest one last night. I always wondered why people wanted to keep the dry sump for these cars. Seems like extra weight and extra distance to pump the oil. Good to see there's a solution now.

And just out of curiosity, because I'll never be able to afford to do it, but how long does it take you to do that swap? How long would you think it would take a reasonably competent person to do at home? I know in the magazine you said a couple of days to remove the engine. Is it faster going on?
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I know when we perform this swap we set aside 2 weeks for it, this allows us ample time to perfect the tune, road test it and make certain it is completed to perfection. As far as someone on their own, well that depends on who the someone is
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The dry sump always seems to be the exotic way to go. The one question is "Where would the tank and air/oil seperator fit?"
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The dry sump always seems to be the exotic way to go. The one question is "Where would the tank and air/oil seperator fit?"
The tank can be modified to fit, we actually did an LS7 swap in an F-Body a few years back (see photo below)



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hmmm. I still prefer the dry sump due to the style driving I will be doing. IF the Z28 every comes out.
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Yep. Foamy oil = bad.
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Yeah that ain't ever good lol
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The tank can be modified to fit, we actually did an LS7 swap in an F-Body a few years back (see photo below)



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Does this mean Livernois would be willing to help?
Your install articles and hard work are very appreciated (and thank you).

Pointing out the potentially obvious here, it looks like more than a few folks here including myself are would be customers if the solution could be provided. This is especially a strong potential sale if it were to allow for the use of a s/c or t/c intercooler in the front like the Vortech or Pro Charger intercoolers. And then there are the popular filter locations. Many thing are taking up space of where (at least I could see) it would fit. If all this were to happen it would be a very diverse product that would fit any application and more people would be installing a dry sump. (That was my desired plan originally but no one has a marketed solution.) Of course I could be wrong but the general feed back here on dry sump appears to be more than just supportive.

You wouldn't have to carry any inventory. You could build to paid order and that would minimize the cost. The margin could still be there for profit and R & D cost recovery when considering a possibility of a group order.

I have looked for a solution with at least 6 or 7 of the advertised oil pan and custom billet marketers and came up empty. It is frustrating to say the least.

Please give this some consideration and thank you.
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Does this mean Livernois would be willing to help?
Your install articles and hard work are very appreciated (and thank you).

Pointing out the potentially obvious here, it looks like more than a few folks here including myself are would be customers if the solution could be provided. This is especially a strong potential sale if it were to allow for the use of a s/c or t/c intercooler in the front like the Vortech or Pro Charger intercoolers. And then there are the popular filter locations. Many thing are taking up space of where (at least I could see) it would fit. If all this were to happen it would be a very diverse product that would fit any application and more people would be installing a dry sump. (That was my desired plan originally but no one has a marketed solution.) Of course I could be wrong but the general feed back here on dry sump appears to be more than just supportive.

You wouldn't have to carry any inventory. You could build to paid order and that would minimize the cost. The margin could still be there for profit and R & D cost recovery when considering a possibility of a group order.

I have looked for a solution with at least 6 or 7 of the advertised oil pan and custom billet marketers and came up empty. It is frustrating to say the least.

Please give this some consideration and thank you.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure if a solution could be created that will work for every application. Depending on the setup, the tank may interfere with other items. We may look at it in the future, but have no intent to make anything like this at this time.

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Thanks for responding. Thougth it at least was worth asking.
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I'm thinking dry sump because it seems to me that Z28 SHOULD handle better, therefore, there's more of a reason to have it. However, I have to admit that I kinda' wonder how much it is really necessary. Z28 would have to handle like cars we've seen by Pedders and Pfadt (as a couple examples) to justify that extra cost/weight/complexity/etc. If Z28 handles like cars I've seen from those two companies, then I say ABSOLUTELY YES!
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It may be worth noting that not all Grand Sports come with the dry sump system. It is not available on the convertible. If the new Z28 does not handle as well as the Corvette GS convertible, then GM may choose not to make it an option.
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It may be worth noting that not all Grand Sports come with the dry sump system. It is not available on the convertible. If the new Z28 does not handle as well as the Corvette GS convertible, then GM may choose not to make it an option.
HUH? Are they limiting the chassis/tires on the rag top so that it doesn't pull the Gs of the hard top then? That's crap.
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It may be worth noting that not all Grand Sports come with the dry sump system. It is not available on the convertible. If the new Z28 does not handle as well as the Corvette GS convertible, then GM may choose not to make it an option.
really? I thought it was a manual vs auto thing. Manuals get it, autos don't.
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really? I thought it was a manual vs auto thing. Manuals get it, autos don't.
Yea the video up above specifically says "Grand Sport with the manual transmission."
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really? I thought it was a manual vs auto thing. Manuals get it, autos don't.
A friend of mine took delivery of a GS convertible at Bowling Green, and even when you order a convertible with the 6 speed, you do not get the dry sump LS3 engine. Needless to say, he was not happy.
A factory engineer explained it as a liability thing. GM does not want the possibility that an owner could take a convertible racing without a roll bar, like in the coupe.

You never know what GM is going to do. If I remember correctly, when I had my 87 IROC, you could not get the speed rated tires on the convertible, and they may not have been as wide either. Also, I had the 350 (5.7L) TPI engine, and it was not available in the convertible. I think they were concerned that the convertible chassis was not as stiff as the coupe then.

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Does anyone have any suggestion to a dry sump oil tank that can be fit in the front of a 2010 Camaro? I'm installing a dry sump LSX454 with a Whipple Charger. Just looking for some suggestions in fitting the tank up front. The cooler for the Whipple is mounted in the center of the grill. I have a dry sump tank that I ordered from Steffs fabrication. 7"x19". WOW! Like trying to fit 10 pounds of **** in a 5 pound bag
I'd check out the places that have done LS9 swaps. I was going to suggest Lingenfelter, but I think they went wet sump. I haven't seen the inside of the tank, but I remember seeing GMPP say they just cut out a couple inches when they stuffed an LS7 in a 4th Gen. Again, though, I don't know if there are baffles in there to worry about; I'm sure there are... Or, if you don't see any of our sponsors with suggestions, I'd look for Summit or something; I'm sure they have generic systems you could use. I'd hit Pfadt up, too. They're super-into racing and if they don't have one in their 5th, I bet they know where they could get one.
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dry sump is more money but better IMO.... more power to be made as well..
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Does anyone have any suggestion to a dry sump oil tank that can be fit in the front of a 2010 Camaro? I'm installing a dry sump LSX454 with a Whipple Charger. Just looking for some suggestions in fitting the tank up front. The cooler for the Whipple is mounted in the center of the grill. I have a dry sump tank that I ordered from Steffs fabrication. 7"x19". WOW! Like trying to fit 10 pounds of **** in a 5 pound bag
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