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Old 02-14-2010, 11:37 PM   #1
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Man dies in the olympics!!!

A man died in the olympics in his practice run in the luge.

http://www.cbsnews.com/1770-5_162-0....tcol;narrow;mt

This is really sad.
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Old 02-14-2010, 11:39 PM   #2
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Some how, I doubt there will be a massive public outcry for better luge engineering. While trajic, it's not that big of a deal. It's been made much bigger that it really should be. imo
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Old 02-14-2010, 11:41 PM   #4
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Some how, I doubt there will be a massive public outcry for better luge engineering. While trajic, it's not that big of a deal. It's been made much bigger that it really should be. imo
Heard they spent 100M making that luge
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This happened Friday night didn't it?
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Heard they spent 100M making that luge
Don't know, but people die doing far less dangerous stuff every day. Though trajic, and I feel for his family, the guy died doing something he loved. He knew the risks and that was part of the draw of the sport to him. I'm not gonna feel bad for a guy who dies in a syncronised sky diving accident either. His family? Yes. Him? No.
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Old 02-15-2010, 12:06 AM   #7
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Heard they spent 100M making that luge
Really and they did'nt get right!!! I saw the video and it didnt have to happen !! that turn was nasty and that hole side of the support beams should have been not exposted like that ...just my $0.02
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This is why the olympics shortened the track and highered the walls.
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so sad, I feel bad for his family and his teammates....... :(
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the track has been shortened and a wall has been added to that part of the track, also the lugers go much slower through that part of the track now with the shortened track
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Heard they spent 100M making that luge
The original track was the fastest luge run in the world. We build 'em fast up here in Canuckland.

Incredibly sad about that luger. :(
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additionally, it has been reported that it was likely driver error that resulted in the crash, rather than poor design. However, since it happened once, it could happen again so they took precautions to try and prevent something similar from happening again.

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Old 02-15-2010, 02:44 PM   #13
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I was up there in October, and the whole town of Whistler was raving about that rack. Saw it as the did some more tweaks. Had hundreds of successful runs, but they wanted to make it the biggest and fastest...sometimes, obviously, bigger and faster is not always better...sad, seemed like this coulda been prevented...
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Old 02-15-2010, 02:50 PM   #14
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the track has been shortened and a wall has been added to that part of the track, also the lugers go much slower through that part of the track now with the shortened track
They dont go MUCH slower. When Nadar crashed he was going around 88 MPH. Now, lugers STILL go that fast. The only difference is the first part of the course is slower.

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additionally, it has been reported that it was likely driver error that resulted in the crash, rather than poor design. However, since it happened once, it could happen again so they took precautions to try and prevent something similar from happening again.

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A lot of very experienced lugers were wrecking as well. It was a VERY difficult track to say the least.
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wow, just watched the video. I am not familiar with the sport but man was he going fast. Really sad.
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It has come to light that many ( like over 400) practice runs were made by the Canadian teams over the last few months before that accident.

The speeds were faster during the Finals than he was clocked at.

So when there is an accident at the Indy 500 is it the track or the driver?
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It was reported the very 1st time this event was held in 1964 ( in USA) a luger was killed.

Padded posts will not stop a body that is moving 141 KPH any slower than a steel one.

Could the wall be higher???? ......yes.

Did Challenger provide lessons on how to reduce risk....yes.
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It has come to light that many ( like over 400) practice runs were made by the Canadian teams over the last few months before that accident.

The speeds were faster during the Finals than he was clocked at.

So when there is an accident at the Indy 500 is it the track or the driver?
In the end, it doesn't matter. A track should be made to be 'fail safe', if possible. So even if there is a driver error, it shouldn't cost him his life.
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In the end, it doesn't matter. A track should be made to be 'fail safe', if possible. So even if there is a driver error, it shouldn't cost him his life.
And everyone gets a trophy.

No way. Part of the lure of some of these sports for the competitor and the fans is the danger involved. Barbaric to some, but just the way it is.

Unless I misinterperet what you mean by 'fail safe'. I don't want to see 'Death Race' or anything, but a standard track should be all that is necessary. Luge included. Just my opinion.

Admitedly, I know nothing about the luge as far as how they go about their skillset.
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Skiers have hit trees in past Olympics and died... Does that mean all trees on the mountain have to be removed?
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And everyone gets a trophy.

No way. Part of the lure of some of these sports for the competitor and the fans is the danger involved. Barbaric to some, but just the way it is.

Unless I misinterperet what you mean by 'fail safe'. I don't want to see 'Death Race' or anything, but a standard track should be all that is necessary. Luge included. Just my opinion.

Admitedly, I know nothing about the luge as far as how they go about their skillset.
I think you did misinterpret me.

Fail safe: allowing failure to be non-catastropic, things fail in a safe manner (hence, fail safe). This is much different from fail proof. In this particular case, it would mean preventing the athlete from leaving the track if they lose control. Bouncing off the icy walls will hurt and probably cause some bruising, maybe a broken bone or two, but is unlikely to be fatal. If you fly off the track at 90 mph, the best you could hope for would be multiple broken bones. More likely is exactly what happened on Friday.

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Skiers have hit trees in past Olympics and died... Does that mean all trees on the mountain have to be removed?
No, but when I was watching the alpine skiing today I believe I saw a plastic fence several feet back from the track. I'm guessing it serves the dual purpose of keeping spectators away from the track, and athletes away from the trees.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:46 AM   #22
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It wasnt the TRACK that was unsafe it was all the poles 2ft from the track that was unsafe. No amount of metal should ever be there on a track where someone can be ejected out like that. You cant predict everything but the track officials should of assumed that those poles were FAR too close from a safety standpoint.
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It wasnt the TRACK that was unsafe it was all the poles 2ft from the track that was unsafe. No amount of metal should ever be there on a track where someone can be ejected out like that. You cant predict everything but the track officials should of assumed that those poles were FAR too close from a safety standpoint.
Although it was the collision with the column that did kill him, I would expect that if you are flying in the air at 90 mph and hit the ground the result would be the same.
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I think you did misinterpret me.

Fail safe: allowing failure to be non-catastropic, things fail in a safe manner (hence, fail safe). This is much different from fail proof. In this particular case, it would mean preventing the athlete from leaving the track if they lose control. Bouncing off the icy walls will hurt and probably cause some bruising, maybe a broken bone or two, but is unlikely to be fatal. If you fly off the track at 90 mph, the best you could hope for would be multiple broken bones. More likely is exactly what happened on Friday.
Oh, ok. Ya, I agree. There is a responsibility by the organizations to do what they possibly can do to protect the athletes and competitors. ie. instead of having a concrete wall in a hard turn on a track, have a large flat area for them to slide. Or your example for the luge. I'm not familiar with the track in question, or the luge in general.

I do get tired of the idea that no matter what happens, someone has to be at fault and liable. Sometimes accidents just happen. I would be an underground dweller instead of doing it the Cocto Industries way. lol

(referencing the movie Demolishion Man, with Stallone)


Another thing to think about though is that every time they come up with more safety ideals in the various sports, inevitably the athletes come up with a new way to push harder.
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Fail safe Track modification

You could conceivably have huge flexible nets along both sides of the track. like those used to hold back airplanes that cruise off runways. Or sporadic placements of impact cushions/something inflatable. automatic deployment of parachute by limit switch activated if rider separates from luge. remove all head-on collision barriers.

Or make most the track in the form of a tube. They could greatly increase safety, but as someone else said, then it won't seem like such a feat, and perhaps find ways to make the track even faster.
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