UNDERSTEER: Solutions how to correct it?

[Mikamaro]

HI Everyone,
I'm trying to see what kind of solution their is out there to help reduce the understeer problem of the SS. Please let me know what you did to improved it.
Thanks
Mike

[PQ]

Chack out the suspension area of the forum. PLENTY of info there.

[flyby]

check out pedders, they have a system that makes the camaro equal to better than the corvette

[PQ]

Originally Posted by flyby

check out pedders, they have a system that makes the camaro equal to better than the corvette

Something new come out in the passed few hours that I didn't see?

[SSE 4 2SS]

Originally Posted by PQ

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Something new come out in the passed few hours that I didn't see?

PQ, it did a Flyby right in front of you...

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by flyby

check out pedders, they have a system that makes the camaro equal to better than the corvette

Wait.....what??????

Originally Posted by PQ

Attachment 94582
Something new come out in the passed few hours that I didn't see?

Maybe they found and easy way to remove 600 pounds from the Camaro..............or magic.


But to the OP, my first question is are you trying to fix this because people say the car understeers? or are you on the track and experiencing it yourself? If you are exeriencing understeer on the street you are probably driving in an "antisocial manner".

But here is a comment stolen somewhere from the internets......

Most cars come from the factory with a bias towards understeer. That's because it's generally thought that understeer is easier for the average driver to cope with than oversteer, which is probably true. The instinctual reaction for a driver in a sliding car is to lift off the throttle and hit the brakes, which will transfer weight to the front end and increase traction there, helping an understeering car to recover control. Doing the same thing in a car that's oversteering will usually make the situation worse by unloading the rear tires and further reducing their traction.

For this reason, you'll almost never see a factory-stock car with a rear anti-roll bar, but no bar on the front. Without getting into a lot of advanced car dynamics, I'll just say that putting a "swaybar" or anti-roll bar on one end of the car (or replacing an existing one with a stiffer bar) will tend to give the opposite end of the car more traction. Thus, most cars come equipped with a front bar but none in the rear, or if they have both, the front bar will be considerably stiffer. This preserves the tendency to "safely" understeer once the limits of handling are reached.

Another way to get more traction on the front is simply putting wider tires on the front.

But frankly I would NOT screw around with the dynamics of the car unless it bothers you when YOU drive it, not what others are telling you.

I've driven all 3 flavors, and I have not experienced understeer.

You can tell by the one post above, there are people that want a Camaro, but want it to be a Corvette. It isn't. You can make it close with $$$$, but you'll need a suspension upgrade and a supercharger to do it.

JMO

[Blade]

^ Well I hope I remember to ease off on the gas in the Camaro. I have driven FWD my whole life, and I always slammed on the gas, when an oversteer occurred

God that was fun when it happened...LOL!

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Wait.....what??????



Maybe they found and easy way to remove 600 pounds from the Camaro..............or magic.


But to the OP, my first question is are you trying to fix this because people say the car understeers? or are you on the track and experiencing it yourself? If you are exeriencing understeer on the street you are probably driving in an "antisocial manner".

But here is a comment stolen somewhere from the internets......

Most cars come from the factory with a bias towards understeer. That's because it's generally thought that understeer is easier for the average driver to cope with than oversteer, which is probably true. The instinctual reaction for a driver in a sliding car is to lift off the throttle and hit the brakes, which will transfer weight to the front end and increase traction there, helping an understeering car to recover control. Doing the same thing in a car that's oversteering will usually make the situation worse by unloading the rear tires and further reducing their traction.

For this reason, you'll almost never see a factory-stock car with a rear anti-roll bar, but no bar on the front. Without getting into a lot of advanced car dynamics, I'll just say that putting a "swaybar" or anti-roll bar on one end of the car (or replacing an existing one with a stiffer bar) will tend to give the opposite end of the car more traction. Thus, most cars come equipped with a front bar but none in the rear, or if they have both, the front bar will be considerably stiffer. This preserves the tendency to "safely" understeer once the limits of handling are reached.

Another way to get more traction on the front is simply putting wider tires on the front.

But frankly I would NOT screw around with the dynamics of the car unless it bothers you when YOU drive it, not what others are telling you.

I've driven all 3 flavors, and I have not experienced understeer.

You can tell by the one post above, there are people that want a Camaro, but want it to be a Corvette. It isn't. You can make it close with $$$$, but you'll need a suspension upgrade and a supercharger to do it.

JMO

Very good post as usual... I likey

[Mikamaro]

Dear Number 3,
Thanks for the great input. I'm always happy to read from you.
1) Well, I'm taking about in track situation, so no reckless driving here.
2) I'm not trying to build a corvette either.
3) I just wanted to get a simple solution, cost effective that will improve the understeer.

thanks
mike

Originally Posted by Number 3

Wait.....what??????



Maybe they found and easy way to remove 600 pounds from the Camaro..............or magic.


But to the OP, my first question is are you trying to fix this because people say the car understeers? or are you on the track and experiencing it yourself? If you are exeriencing understeer on the street you are probably driving in an "antisocial manner".

But here is a comment stolen somewhere from the internets......

Most cars come from the factory with a bias towards understeer. That's because it's generally thought that understeer is easier for the average driver to cope with than oversteer, which is probably true. The instinctual reaction for a driver in a sliding car is to lift off the throttle and hit the brakes, which will transfer weight to the front end and increase traction there, helping an understeering car to recover control. Doing the same thing in a car that's oversteering will usually make the situation worse by unloading the rear tires and further reducing their traction.

For this reason, you'll almost never see a factory-stock car with a rear anti-roll bar, but no bar on the front. Without getting into a lot of advanced car dynamics, I'll just say that putting a "swaybar" or anti-roll bar on one end of the car (or replacing an existing one with a stiffer bar) will tend to give the opposite end of the car more traction. Thus, most cars come equipped with a front bar but none in the rear, or if they have both, the front bar will be considerably stiffer. This preserves the tendency to "safely" understeer once the limits of handling are reached.

Another way to get more traction on the front is simply putting wider tires on the front.

But frankly I would NOT screw around with the dynamics of the car unless it bothers you when YOU drive it, not what others are telling you.

I've driven all 3 flavors, and I have not experienced understeer.

You can tell by the one post above, there are people that want a Camaro, but want it to be a Corvette. It isn't. You can make it close with $$$$, but you'll need a suspension upgrade and a supercharger to do it.

JMO

[chef-beavis]

but funny. My limited experience with finding the limit. My buddy and I heating it up a bit during lunch hour. He was behind me with his 06 CTS-V. He turned his T/C and Stabilitrac off coming hard in my mirror making a left turn onto a four lane, from a four lane. Mid day. No traffic. No one but us around. He thought he could out drive me in the curve to compensate for his being schooled by my 26 horses and a little less weight.

I saw him coming and poured the coals to it and found the limit as the car refused to turn until I let up enough. I still pulled away and watched in my mirror as he went up in smoke and ended up pointing the wrong way. He does know how to drive. It just goes to show the computer is hard to beat and the factory set-up is good for a safe bet.

Not to thread jack, but how does messing with lowering and sway bars affect the Stabilitrac? I did a simple tires swap on my S-10 ZQ8 and it ruined the trucks handling and manner. A MORE expensive tire, just a deviation from what GM had done all of the development work with. I would cry if I "upgraded" my Camaro and ruined the handling like my truck. Arre we really to believe these aftermarket companies have deeper development pockets than GM, who hired race drivers and everything else to develope this car?

I also seem to recall seeing skid pad number from GM at 1.08 G's and none of the testing seems to support it. Anyone else see this?

[MikeSVX]

Turn off traction control and stubility control and apply more throttle.

[Mikamaro]

Now THAT's an answer!!
mouahah..stupidity control...I like that.
PLus the only expense you will have doind it is more fuel...That's a cheap tune!!
But the thing is you're making better time in a time trial race...you're actualy losing some but it's more fun...
thanks

Originally Posted by MikeSVX

Turn off traction control and stubility control and apply more throttle.

[MikeSVX]

Originally Posted by Michelboily

Now THAT's an answer!!
mouahah..stupidity control...I like that.
PLus the only expense you will have doind it is more fuel...That's a cheap tune!!
But the thing is you're making better time in a time trial race...you're actualy loosing some but it's more fun...
thanks

LOL. I use to autocross my SVX. It was way out classed. I never worried about time, just the fun factor. I supercharged it and converted it to a 6-speed manual using a JDM STi tranny. One day I hit the throttle too hard in a corner and did a 180. The instructor about crapped himself. He said "You told me converted to stick, you didn't say you made it a RWD too." I informed it that the car was still AWD. That was fun.

[biojack]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Wait.....what??????


If you are exeriencing understeer on the street you are probably driving in an "antisocial manner".



JMO

THAT - is absolutely the coolest, best quote ever!!!!! well done!

[Rwarchol]

Adjust the wedge??

[Class1E]

Hit the anti-understeer button....I believe it's to the left of center on the console, right in front of the shifter.

[SSE 4 2SS]

Originally Posted by Michelboily

Now THAT's an answer!!
mouahah..stupidity control...I like that.
PLus the only expense you will have doind it is more fuel...That's a cheap tune!!
But the thing is you're making better time in a time trial race...you're actualy loosing some but it's more fun...
thanks

What...... huh???

Actually...understeer is referred to as tight, oversteer is loose... Loose is fast...

That might be what your saying but I got lost ...sorry...

[v6sonoma]

Well I've found that if you stomp on the right pedal and turn the wheel she turns rather quickly. Usually to quickly!

[Hopper]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Wait.....what??????



Maybe they found and easy way to remove 600 pounds from the Camaro..............or magic.


But to the OP, my first question is are you trying to fix this because people say the car understeers? or are you on the track and experiencing it yourself? If you are exeriencing understeer on the street you are probably driving in an "antisocial manner".

But here is a comment stolen somewhere from the internets......

Most cars come from the factory with a bias towards understeer. That's because it's generally thought that understeer is easier for the average driver to cope with than oversteer, which is probably true. The instinctual reaction for a driver in a sliding car is to lift off the throttle and hit the brakes, which will transfer weight to the front end and increase traction there, helping an understeering car to recover control. Doing the same thing in a car that's oversteering will usually make the situation worse by unloading the rear tires and further reducing their traction.

For this reason, you'll almost never see a factory-stock car with a rear anti-roll bar, but no bar on the front. Without getting into a lot of advanced car dynamics, I'll just say that putting a "swaybar" or anti-roll bar on one end of the car (or replacing an existing one with a stiffer bar) will tend to give the opposite end of the car more traction. Thus, most cars come equipped with a front bar but none in the rear, or if they have both, the front bar will be considerably stiffer. This preserves the tendency to "safely" understeer once the limits of handling are reached.

Another way to get more traction on the front is simply putting wider tires on the front.

But frankly I would NOT screw around with the dynamics of the car unless it bothers you when YOU drive it, not what others are telling you.

I've driven all 3 flavors, and I have not experienced understeer.

You can tell by the one post above, there are people that want a Camaro, but want it to be a Corvette. It isn't. You can make it close with $$$$, but you'll need a suspension upgrade and a supercharger to do it.

JMO

Outstanding layman's explanation as usual. Whenever I read one of your posts like this one, it brings me back to my gearhead engineering days at GMI and I wonder why the heck I ever decided to work in sales...

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Wait.....what??????



Maybe they found and easy way to remove 600 pounds from the Camaro..............or magic.


But to the OP, my first question is are you trying to fix this because people say the car understeers? or are you on the track and experiencing it yourself? If you are exeriencing understeer on the street you are probably driving in an "antisocial manner".

But here is a comment stolen somewhere from the internets......

Most cars come from the factory with a bias towards understeer. That's because it's generally thought that understeer is easier for the average driver to cope with than oversteer, which is probably true. The instinctual reaction for a driver in a sliding car is to lift off the throttle and hit the brakes, which will transfer weight to the front end and increase traction there, helping an understeering car to recover control. Doing the same thing in a car that's oversteering will usually make the situation worse by unloading the rear tires and further reducing their traction.

For this reason, you'll almost never see a factory-stock car with a rear anti-roll bar, but no bar on the front. Without getting into a lot of advanced car dynamics, I'll just say that putting a "swaybar" or anti-roll bar on one end of the car (or replacing an existing one with a stiffer bar) will tend to give the opposite end of the car more traction. Thus, most cars come equipped with a front bar but none in the rear, or if they have both, the front bar will be considerably stiffer. This preserves the tendency to "safely" understeer once the limits of handling are reached.

Another way to get more traction on the front is simply putting wider tires on the front.

But frankly I would NOT screw around with the dynamics of the car unless it bothers you when YOU drive it, not what others are telling you.

I've driven all 3 flavors, and I have not experienced understeer.

You can tell by the one post above, there are people that want a Camaro, but want it to be a Corvette. It isn't. You can make it close with $$$$, but you'll need a suspension upgrade and a supercharger to do it.

JMO

Brilliant post, couldn't have said it better myself

Originally Posted by Michelboily

Dear Number 3,
Thanks for the great input. I'm always happy to read from you.
1) Well, I'm taking about in track situation, so no reckless driving here.
2) I'm not trying to build a corvette either.
3) I just wanted to get a simple solution, cost effective that will improve the understeer.

thanks
mike

Have you actually experienced it on track? Some people actually like a car that understeers.

Anyway it depends on how track you're gonna go, a set of swaybars may be all you need if you're autocrossing. If you're using it for track days you really want the full pedders setup that they offer (its a pretty good deal) and that will cure MOST of the understeer.

[ROD1]

Remove the rear wheels.

[xtreme industries]

mine does indeed understeer. i am used to a car that gets sideways easily and will try to modify the camaro to do the same. i definitly dont like the understeer conditions of the car. i hope springs and sways will balance the car more.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by SSE 4 2SS

What...... huh???

Actually...understeer is referred to as tight, oversteer is loose... Loose is fast...

That might be what your saying but I got lost ...sorry...

I believe he was trying to say 'losing' not 'loosing'

[Kurt_OH]

Fat sway bar out back.

You COULD put fatter tires up front, but you'll lose some of the precious little road feel left.