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Old 09-09-2008, 11:04 AM   #1
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Considering a V6 Camaro... New guy on the forum...

Hey everyone,

My name is Kevin and I just jumped over here from www.cobaltss.net (the Cobalt Enthusiast's forum). I'm definitely liking the Camaro more and more every time that I see it. Even some of the people from css.net were talking about how much they like it including myself. I currently drive a 06 Cobalt SS Supercharged. I'm actually leasing it and she goes back next summer. I was originally planning on just buying the 09 Cobalt SS Turbocharged, but seeing that they are planning on putting the same goodies in the V6 Camaro (DI, VVT 3.6L 300hp V6), that they have with the (DI, VVT 2.0L LNF) new turbocharged Cobalt SS, I'm definitely going to be waiting to see how much they price the Camaro LT. I'm definitely considering getting a Camaro LT w RS package over the Cobalt SS/TC now...

My only concern as of right now is how much the Camaro LT w RS will cost & how it performs vs the Cobalt SS/TC.

Granted I'll happily pay 5-6 grand more just to get the V6 Camaro even if it performs marginally less than a SS/TC, the awesome looks, RWD, and unique interior hands down make it look better to me than the Cobalt.

Just wondering what any of you know about the Camaro V6, and if you've heard anything on its aftermarket potential?

I read the posts about those of you considering converting the V6 to F.I. and I can def say that I was wondering that too.

And yeah, hopefully the aftermarket segment offers some decent amount of performance for the V6 Camaro like CAI's, headers, cat-back exhausts, tunes, etc...

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there is a link around here somewhere showing how a caddy with the same engine got another 40 hp at the wheels with just an Intake, tune, and catback. That's probably going to be similar to the camaro. I'm sure there will be a ton of stuff offered from everyone and I'm really interested in seeing how SLP will get back into the game. SEMA will be a sight to behold for sure
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Evidence points to the Cobalt SS turbo being faster than the Camaro LS. The Cobalt has less weight and more aerodynamics to give it an advantage. At the same time, the Camaro is more responsive to modifications than the Cobalt. The Camaro style cannot be matched in the Cobalt.

The pricing will be very close for both cars, but expect add-ons to bring the price of the Camaro above the Cobalt.

It's good to have another compact owner considering stepping up to the pony class.
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I don't think in terms of handling they will be similar. That goes without saying
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Sup! Welcome to the site, Kevin. Since we have a few Cobalt owners around here too, I suspect you'll get some great answers.
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there is a link around here somewhere showing how a caddy with the same engine got another 40 hp at the wheels with just an Intake, tune, and catback. That's probably going to be similar to the camaro. I'm sure there will be a ton of stuff offered from everyone and I'm really interested in seeing how SLP will get back into the game. SEMA will be a sight to behold for sure
Wow... really? 40whp off of just an intake, tune and cat-back huh? That's impressive and seems to indicate that the 3.6L DI VVT V6 has potential, and that's good to know.

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Evidence points to the Cobalt SS turbo being faster than the Camaro LS. The Cobalt has less weight and more aerodynamics to give it an advantage. At the same time, the Camaro is more responsive to modifications than the Cobalt. The Camaro style cannot be matched in the Cobalt.

The pricing will be very close for both cars, but expect add-ons to bring the price of the Camaro above the Cobalt.

It's good to have another compact owner considering stepping up to the pony class.
Right. I know stock for stock the Cobalt SS/TC will perform better than the Camaro V6, it weighs almost 600lbs less, is smaller, and probably has a better power/weight ratio.

As far as aftermarket potential goes, after doing such mods like a down-pipe, cat-back, HP tuners, CAI, intercooler upgrade, people are getting 300whp 350wtq. Soon turbo upgrades will be offered for the Cobalt and it'll see gains as high as the the mid to high 300's in HP & Torque. Granted those are probably approaching the limits of the stock internals, and good luck getting anywhere near that to the ground with FWD, where FWD cars really are at a disadvantage hooking up with all that power.

Now seeing that the Cobalt is seeing its last year or two or production before the Cruze replaces it there may not be too many more mods coming out for it seeing that it ceases production soon.

Even if the Camaro is slightly slower stock vs the Cobalt SS like I said the fact that it's RWD, 10x better interior compared to a Cobalt, and ultimate performance potential makes it worth the initial sacrifice in performance... (unless I get a SS...)

And seeing that the Camaro as Feb of 09 will be seeing its re-birth and new beginning I'm sure there will be plenty aftermarket performance for it as there were with the previous gen Camaros...

Thank you. I'm definitely planning on upgrading...

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I don't think in terms of handling they will be similar. That goes without saying
Well consider this. The Camaro SS lapped the Nurburgring in 8.20 seconds... The Cobalt SS Turbocharged lapped it in 8.22 seconds... The FWD 4cyl Cobalt only was two seconds slower than the V8 Camaro... Granted the Cobalt SS/TC is an abnormal little car and the FE3 suspension helps, but ultimately especially on a track RWD > FWD.

I think with time when the aftermarket industry starts offering a lot for the Camaro I think I'll have made the right decision by switching from the Cobalt to the Camaro...

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Old 09-09-2008, 01:15 PM   #7
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Sup! Welcome to the site, Kevin. Since we have a few Cobalt owners around here too, I suspect you'll get some great answers.
Thank you! I'm very curious to see what they have to say seeing they are probably in the same situation I am!

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Evidence points to the Cobalt SS turbo being faster than the Camaro LS. The Cobalt has less weight and more aerodynamics to give it an advantage. At the same time, the Camaro is more responsive to modifications than the Cobalt. The Camaro style cannot be matched in the Cobalt.

The pricing will be very close for both cars, but expect add-ons to bring the price of the Camaro above the Cobalt.

It's good to have another compact owner considering stepping up to the pony class.

I seriously doubt that the V6 engine is more responsive to modifications. Any FI car is always more responsive b/c you have another element to play with...boost. I was recently in the tuning business for Subaru and let me tell you that there is way more potential in a turbo'd car % gain over % gain then a NA car.

The reason is that for very little money you can run catless uppipes downpipes a larger intercooler and a bigger turbo. For about $2000-3000 we had stock Legacy GTs running 350 All wheel HP. And that is a small 2.5 4 banger. That put the legacy in the very low 12's for next to nothing and that is awd too. If it didn't have that drivetrain loss it would have been like 370 at the wheels. But can you say 1.6 60' times on stock rubber

I think there is a ton of potential in that new cobalt SS. That ecotec 2.0 is a great engine. With ECU tweaking you get a lot more out of FI then NA. Im not putting down the V6 or V8 camaro but I bet for the same money you could get a much better ET out of the Cobalt then the V6.
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I seriously doubt that the V6 engine is more responsive to modifications. Any FI car is always more responsive b/c you have another element to play with...boost. I was recently in the tuning business for Subaru and let me tell you that there is way more potential in a turbo'd car % gain over % gain then a NA car.

The reason is that for very little money you can run catless uppipes downpipes a larger intercooler and a bigger turbo. For about $2000-3000 we had stock Legacy GTs running 350 All wheel HP. And that is a small 2.5 4 banger. That put the legacy in the very low 12's for next to nothing and that is awd too. If it didn't have that drivetrain loss it would have been like 370 at the wheels. But can you say 1.6 60' times on stock rubber

I think there is a ton of potential in that new cobalt SS. That ecotec 2.0 is a great engine. With ECU tweaking you get a lot more out of FI then NA. Im not putting down the V6 or V8 camaro but I bet for the same money you could get a much better ET out of the Cobalt then the V6.
I think you may have missed a very important point here when comparing the Cobalt SS to the Camaro v6 and how well they take to mods. You've already got a turbo on the Cobalt but you don't have it on the Camaro. Add a turbo or SC to the Camaro and then talk about responsiveness to mods.
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I seriously doubt that the V6 engine is more responsive to modifications. Any FI car is always more responsive b/c you have another element to play with...boost. I was recently in the tuning business for Subaru and let me tell you that there is way more potential in a turbo'd car % gain over % gain then a NA car.

The reason is that for very little money you can run catless uppipes downpipes a larger intercooler and a bigger turbo. For about $2000-3000 we had stock Legacy GTs running 350 All wheel HP. And that is a small 2.5 4 banger. That put the legacy in the very low 12's for next to nothing and that is awd too. If it didn't have that drivetrain loss it would have been like 370 at the wheels. But can you say 1.6 60' times on stock rubber

I think there is a ton of potential in that new cobalt SS. That ecotec 2.0 is a great engine. With ECU tweaking you get a lot more out of FI then NA. Im not putting down the V6 or V8 camaro but I bet for the same money you could get a much better ET out of the Cobalt then the V6.
That's the predicament I'm in... I know if I did get the Cobalt SS Turbocharged, with 2-3k in mods, I'd be making 350+ WHP. Granted it's a lot for cheap, and yeah the LNF will probably have more potential than the V6, problem is getting all that power down. The Cobalt SS, Mazdaspeed 3 Neon/Caliber SRT-4's can be roll monsters, and there's enough evidence of them on streetfire.net taking on V8 Camaros, Mustangs, T/A's even vettes...

But I think roll racing is stupid anyways. Race from a dig like real men do right? Or on the track...

Granted the potential with the V8 is a lot greater and then I'd say turbo 4 < V8.

All I know is that there's going to be sacrifices and benefits going from the Cobalt SS Turbocharged to a V6 Camaro (depending on Camaro SS price... maybe...)

But heck I'd be satisfied with making even 40-70hp more in mods just off the V6 in a RWD Camaro, would be much better than in a FWD car...
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Wow... really? 40whp off of just an intake, tune and cat-back huh? That's impressive and seems to indicate that the 3.6L DI VVT V6 has potential, and that's good to know.
I do believe there was a little misquoting going on. First of all: WELCOME!! I hope you enjoy the site! Second; The intake and exhaust treatment gave a 31 rwhp gain in the 3.6DI. It was rounded off to 40 bhp for conversation's sake. Still...this is WITHOUT a tune. I think that speaks volumes about the V6's potential.
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Well consider this. The Camaro SS lapped the Nurburgring in 8.20 seconds... The Cobalt SS Turbocharged lapped it in 8.22 seconds... The FWD 4cyl Cobalt only was two seconds slower than the V8 Camaro... Granted the Cobalt SS/TC is an abnormal little car and the FE3 suspension helps, but ultimately especially on a track RWD > FWD.

I think with time when the aftermarket industry starts offering a lot for the Camaro I think I'll have made the right decision by switching from the Cobalt to the Camaro...

Thanks for your comments so far!
The Cobalt's a great car. I know: I have one. But I think the Camaro is the overall better package where performance and style are concerned. I can't remember id the 8:20 number for the 'Ring was an official time (can anyone back help me out here?)...most of me wants to say it wasn't.

Glad to have you around here, and I'm sure you won't be disapointed by getting a Camaro!
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I can't remember id the 8:20 number for the 'Ring was an official time (can anyone back help me out here?)...most of me wants to say it wasn't.
From what I remember it wasn't. Beyond that it was just a lap to help in developmental stage tuning and they had to battle numerous snow squalls on they way. I'd expect an official run to be a few seconds faster, maybe by at least 10.
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Yeah, no idea whether or not it was official, it was just the only # that I think is out there as of right now for the Camaro SS's "gring" lap time.

Yeah, it certainly does look like the V6 has some promise to it. Of course I'm going to look into pricing the SS, but even after the GM employee discount if it's still a little steep, I'll happily settle for the LT + RS package...

Personally, I'm not expecting to get like 400hp out of the V6, even if a turbo does come out and actually is safe to use... tested... etc.

Ok it was 31whp between the CAI, and cat-back.. Thanks for clarifying that. Still impressive!

I'd be happy if I was even getting 350-370hp after a CAI, Cat-back, headers, tune, etc...

Just something that's decently quick... And isn't FWD like the Cobalt would make me happy...
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The new Cobalt SS is one of the best handling FWD cars around. But the Camaro V6 is RWD and will feel much more fun, plus it looks way better IMO.
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I do believe there was a little misquoting going on. First of all: WELCOME!! I hope you enjoy the site! Second; The intake and exhaust treatment gave a 31 rwhp gain in the 3.6DI. It was rounded off to 40 bhp for conversation's sake. Still...this is WITHOUT a tune. I think that speaks volumes about the V6's potential.
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The new Cobalt SS is one of the best handling FWD cars around. But the Camaro V6 is RWD and will feel much more fun, plus it looks way better IMO.
Oh def. It looks better, it's not wrong wheel drive, even the base V6 will have some power to it, it's pretty damn fuel efficient for a car it's size and power, and its interior doesn't look like crap compared to the Cobalt. I'm pretty sure this is going to be my next car.

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Yeah, when I heard 40whp I was like wow, but heck 31whp is still pretty darn good.
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I think you may have missed a very important point here when comparing the Cobalt SS to the Camaro v6 and how well they take to mods. You've already got a turbo on the Cobalt but you don't have it on the Camaro. Add a turbo or SC to the Camaro and then talk about responsiveness to mods.
That is an irrelevant point. Why would you bother boosting the V6? You might as well get the V8 then. Do you know how much those kits cost to buy and install? Try like 8g's

So I didn't miss anything. Yes the Cobalt is already boosted which means it will take to mods much better then the stock V6. If you want to argue the "well money isn't a factor" point then yes you can probably make the V6 faster in the end but man would it cost you.

The cobalt is already quicker then the V6 stock for stock. Now throw on an UP and DP and tune the Cobalt and it will run circles around it. Don't forget that the Cobalt is like 600 lbs lighter too if not more. Overall HP # doesn't mean squat. It comes down to how well the car can use it to move weight.

I would argue that with less then 3 grand you could make the Cobalt SS run with or beat the SS (stock). And as much as you would love to believe that you can get 40 Hp from and intake and exhaust with NO tune you are crazy. Do you know how restrictive that system would have had to have been? Now with a tune and for 93 octane I would believe it. I read that post and you have to realize that they people that posted that thread are vendors and are trying to sell their products. You can very easily alter dyno charts to make them look like whatever you like. Seen that before. Vendors love to do that. Haven't you ever seen what K&N claims you get from just a drop in filter? 15 RWHP pleaaaase. Take some of this with a grain of salt, especially from a vendor.

I was in the tuning business. On a stock STI for example, the intake produces NEGATIVE HP unless tuned for. The MAF doesn't read the new g/s well enough and it bogs the car. Unless there is a really smart ECU that learns trims and timing that well, no car will be able to "use" that more in more out without telling it what to do with air/fuel etc.

Im not trying to piss in anyone's popcorn here, it is just that i have been there and seen hundreds of cars on dynos and I know a little about this stuff. And what I don't get is if you are looking to mod the crap out of the V6 why are you even looking at the V6? It will cost you more and ruin your warrenty then just spending the extra few grand to get the SS
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And as much as you would love to believe that you can get 40 Hp from and intake and exhaust with NO tune you are crazy. Do you know how restrictive that system would have had to have been? Now with a tune and for 93 octane I would believe it.
Follow the link-trail to the Cadillac forums, there are dyno-charts to prove it (unless they're making it ALL up...). I dunno if GM restricted the hell out of it, or the DI system likes breathing mods...but it's for real: +31rwp with an intake an exhaust with no tune.


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That is an irrelevant point. Why would you bother boosting the V6? You might as well get the V8 then. Do you know how much those kits cost to buy and install? Try like 8g's

So I didn't miss anything. Yes the Cobalt is already boosted which means it will take to mods much better then the stock V6. If you want to argue the "well money isn't a factor" point then yes you can probably make the V6 faster in the end but man would it cost you.

The cobalt is already quicker then the V6 stock for stock. Now throw on an UP and DP and tune the Cobalt and it will run circles around it. Don't forget that the Cobalt is like 600 lbs lighter too if not more. Overall HP # doesn't mean squat. It comes down to how well the car can use it to move weight.

I would argue that with less then 3 grand you could make the Cobalt SS run with or beat the SS (stock). And as much as you would love to believe that you can get 40 Hp from and intake and exhaust with NO tune you are crazy. Do you know how restrictive that system would have had to have been? Now with a tune and for 93 octane I would believe it. I read that post and you have to realize that they people that posted that thread are vendors and are trying to sell their products. You can very easily alter dyno charts to make them look like whatever you like. Seen that before. Vendors love to do that. Haven't you ever seen what K&N claims you get from just a drop in filter? 15 RWHP pleaaaase. Take some of this with a grain of salt, especially from a vendor.

I was in the tuning business. On a stock STI for example, the intake produces NEGATIVE HP unless tuned for. The MAF doesn't read the new g/s well enough and it bogs the car. Unless there is a really smart ECU that learns trims and timing that well, no car will be able to "use" that more in more out without telling it what to do with air/fuel etc.

Im not trying to piss in anyone's popcorn here, it is just that i have been there and seen hundreds of cars on dynos and I know a little about this stuff. And what I don't get is if you are looking to mod the crap out of the V6 why are you even looking at the V6? It will cost you more and ruin your warrenty then just spending the extra few grand to get the SS

Several reasons really,

The first being insurance... v8 insurance > v6 insurance, no matter what age you are.

The second being, yes you could mod a v6 up to equal the price of a v8, but the mods would be done SLOWLY, and OVER TIME, so it still ends up being cheaper in the end, unless you have enough cash laying around to pay for the whole v8 car upfront, without having to deal with loans/financing/etc.

Third, its always nice to get comments like "Wow, that's a six?" After running someone, or giving them a ride in your car, big power is EXPECTED from an 8, its always fun to surprise people with a six.

I'm sure I've got more, and so do others, but you get the point.
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Several reasons really,

The first being insurance... v8 insurance > v6 insurance, no matter what age you are.

The second being, yes you could mod a v6 up to equal the price of a v8, but the mods would be done SLOWLY, and OVER TIME, so it still ends up being cheaper in the end, unless you have enough cash laying around to pay for the whole v8 car upfront, without having to deal with loans/financing/etc.

Third, its always nice to get comments like "Wow, that's a six?" After running someone, or giving them a ride in your car, big power is EXPECTED from an 8, its always fun to surprise people with a six.

I'm sure I've got more, and so do others, but you get the point.
You've made some great points. There's a lot of good reasons to get the LLT Camaro.

My favorite is your third reason because it carries the underdog, or sleeper, factor. When a V6 punishes a V8, the V6 driver feels pretty good.

V6s don't have to cost less than V8s. Nowadays, insurance companies go off of value more than cylinders. A Camaro SS may cost less to an insurer than a 350Z at release despite having a couple more horsepower-pumping cylinders under the hood. The Camaro LS will run with that same 350Z, and beating a stock one will be easy with just a few bolt-ons.

Additionally, there's the fuel efficiency issue. 3-4 mpg isn't really that big of a deal for a lot of people, but every little bit helps. No one likes gas prices, and a V6 can go farther and get pushed harder with less expense.

Moreover, there's the weight factor. The V6 weighs less. That's probably a favorite, especially since the same modifications will be added to V8s, but the V6 won't have too much trouble making up most of the difference in horsepower between the LS and the SS. With that difference, a tuner can get a better horsepower-weight ratio. The LLT is exceptionally responsive to mods, so adding a lot of power without having the weight to match is a very real possibility.

Let's not forget about the appearance factor. You can get a body kit for the difference in price, and that body kit may not get factored into insurance or other costs in the same way that the stock design does. That, of course, is up to the insurance company.

Basically, the Camaro LS is just as justifiable as the Camaro SS. It represents a remarkable performance in the area of V6 motors, and it will shame so many V8s. Enthusiasts shouldn't shy away because it lacks 2 cylinders. The Camaro LS is really a worthwhile buy.
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I really do.
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If I were you I would choose the camaro over the cobalt... the cobalt is a dead duck.... resale value is going to suck...outdated body style... boring interior... I know this because I own the sister car...an 08 pontiac g5 gt. im planning on getting a camaro v6 with the rs package. Another way to look at it tho too... from a safety standpoint, about six weeks ago, i had a girl hit me from the front end she ran a red light, It completly obliverated my G5s front end, i was going 25mph, so was she. $10,000 to fix too, its still in the shop. But the camaro is a lot bigger heavier, safer looking car to me than the old cobalt/g5 body. camaro will have MUCH better resale value too.
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Im not trying to piss in anyone's popcorn here, it is just that i have been there and seen hundreds of cars on dynos and I know a little about this stuff. And what I don't get is if you are looking to mod the crap out of the V6 why are you even looking at the V6? It will cost you more and ruin your warranty then just spending the extra few grand to get the SS
I def get where you are coming from. And I actually wouldn't want to get a V6 Camaro and then spend thousands of dollars on mods to get it up to V8 power levels. If I wanted that then I'd just save up some extra dough, maybe wait a little longer to get it and then just get a Camaro SS.

Don't get me wrong if I could afford the Camaro SS, I'd probably get it. But I'm looking for something that will be a better alternative to the Cobalt SS that I'm driving, and hopefully a better alternative to the Cobalt SS Turbocharged that I was originally planning on getting.

So keep in mind I'm still looking for something that is sporty, quick, fuel efficient, affordable, and isn't FWD preferably. Also still being a 2dr coupe, with some decent trunk space.

I looked into possibly getting the Solstice Coupe GXP when it comes out next year, which fits that criteria but it's probably too small for my needs, so I had to scratch that off. The next car I was considering was a 350Z but the only 350Z I can afford would be the base model, which unfortunately doesn't come with jack, and would cost as much as a Camaro SS... So scratch that...

Then I don't know why I thought of it sooner I thought about the Camaro...
The Camaro LT w RS appearance package would basically fit all my criteria.
RWD yes, sporty, hell yes, fuel efficient, the V6 would be, affordable, looks like it will be, and it's still a 2dr coupe which is what I'm looking for. And it's also a little bigger a 2+2 seater compared to the Solstice & 350Z that only have two seats.

And with a little hope, I'd hope there would be some aftermarket potential with the V6 so that it would still be quick and fun, like my Cobalt SS is.

In a nutshell that's why I'm considering the Camaro and a V6 one at that.

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Several reasons really,

The first being insurance... v8 insurance > v6 insurance, no matter what age you are.
Insurance won't be a problem, if the 350Z and Solstice were only $100 roughly more than what I'm paying yearly for my Cobalt SS, then I'm sure a V6 Camaro should be ok too.

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The second being, yes you could mod a v6 up to equal the price of a v8, but the mods would be done SLOWLY, and OVER TIME, so it still ends up being cheaper in the end, unless you have enough cash laying around to pay for the whole v8 car upfront, without having to deal with loans/financing/etc.
Yeah down the road, I'd love to slap a turbo or supercharger on it, If I don't already have a Camaro SS by then. But I'm just looking to make like 50-70hp off the V6, or enough to get me in the high 13"s and I'd be satisfied...

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Third, its always nice to get comments like "Wow, that's a six?" After running someone, or giving them a ride in your car, big power is EXPECTED from an 8, its always fun to surprise people with a six.

I'm sure I've got more, and so do others, but you get the point.
Even that too, although I'd expect to get ripped on for having a "V6" Camaro but just wait until they race it...

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You've made some great points. There's a lot of good reasons to get the LLT Camaro.

My favorite is your third reason because it carries the underdog, or sleeper, factor. When a V6 punishes a V8, the V6 driver feels pretty good.

V6s don't have to cost less than V8s. Nowadays, insurance companies go off of value more than cylinders. A Camaro SS may cost less to an insurer than a 350Z at release despite having a couple more horsepower-pumping cylinders under the hood. The Camaro LS will run with that same 350Z, and beating a stock one will be easy with just a few bolt-ons.

Additionally, there's the fuel efficiency issue. 3-4 mpg isn't really that big of a deal for a lot of people, but every little bit helps. No one likes gas prices, and a V6 can go farther and get pushed harder with less expense.

Moreover, there's the weight factor. The V6 weighs less. That's probably a favorite, especially since the same modifications will be added to V8s, but the V6 won't have too much trouble making up most of the difference in horsepower between the LS and the SS. With that difference, a tuner can get a better horsepower-weight ratio. The LLT is exceptionally responsive to mods, so adding a lot of power without having the weight to match is a very real possibility.

Let's not forget about the appearance factor. You can get a body kit for the difference in price, and that body kit may not get factored into insurance or other costs in the same way that the stock design does. That, of course, is up to the insurance company.

Basically, the Camaro LS is just as justifiable as the Camaro SS. It represents a remarkable performance in the area of V6 motors, and it will shame so many V8s. Enthusiasts shouldn't shy away because it lacks 2 cylinders. The Camaro LS is really a worthwhile buy.
Totally what I think.

Listen I know that the Camaro SS is going to have the most potential, and If I was looking at having the fastest car or something, well 1.) I'd look into something quicker like a Corvette
2.) I'm just looking for an alternative to what I'm driving, that will have some potential for mods, and will most importantly be something fun and enjoyable to drive.

And I think I can find that with the Camaro LT...
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