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View Poll Results: Which would you actually spend $35k on?
Volt - Because gas is getting too expensive for an SS. 5 3.47%
Volt - But only for my spouse to drive. 0 0%
SS - I love the smell of gasoline and burning rubber. 139 96.53%
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:32 PM   #26
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do you plug it in at work? If you go on an extended trip and need to stay at a motel, do you carry your own extension cord to plug it in over night and do you take watch shifts during the night to make sure no one makes off with your chargeing cable ( Bet that is a pretty penny to replace)?


Nope....no need to plug it in at work. My round trip commute is about 40 miles. Plus it has a gas motor that comes on to recharge the battery if I need to go more than 40 miles. Extended trip just uses the gas motor to charge it until you get someplace to plug it in.
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To those "conversing" about the projected price........

1) Do you understand why it would cost just under $40,000?

2) Do you know how GM plans to produce this car? (number of units, etc?)

i'm assuming it is 40, grand due to the technology...inside...

at this rate i would assume it would be a limited production car....but why would you create a green limited production car that is supposed to jump on the environmental bandwagon? why bother

i think the money is in cars that are cheap and have high mpg...high price with with mpg just as much as your competition which is 15 grand less makes no sense...especially when it doesn't look like its 15 grand more...the concept looked like it could be 40 grand and looked comparable to a tesla as modern and futuristic and could appeal to the audience that likes small run production cars like the tesla...but the hollywood green crowd won't buy the volt when they can get the tesla or prius...and the working class crowd sure as hell isn't paying 40 grand for an electric honda accord looking car...when you can just get a hybrid accord or civic

even if you used no gas at all on the volt...avg fuel costs are year are like 1500-2500 a year so it would still take 6-8 years to realize the savings of the fuel costs and by then mpg tech will be more advanced and cheaper an your car will be paid off by then
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Its only 40K if you buy it outright. There is talk about just leasing the battery, which would lower the price of the car considerably.
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hmmm leasing the battery...you'd really have to see how much it is a year...and then what happens when you pay off the car and if you want to keep it you have to lease a new battery every couple years...

well i'll let gm iron out the details...i'm rooting for the car...i was even considering having both a camaro and volt....

but the design to me is a dissapointment...and at the price it won't be a huge seller...i smell trouble with the price and how it will play in the market...

I think gm is buying into this green hype too much...all we care about is saving money environment the market isn't so concerned...only in places like L.A. and San francisco
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There was an interesting article in the latest edition of WIRED magazine. If you've got some time to read it (fairly long), you'll get an idea of what kind of plans are out there for utilizing battery leasing.

http://www.wired.com/cars/futuretran...6-09/ff_agassi
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I think the total cost of ownership still gonna be lower for a while.

It would be better to buy a Camaro and like a used 4 banger POS for the daily mileage grind.
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These were the answers I was expecting. Meaning NO offense to you AT ALL.

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i'm assuming it is 40, grand due to the technology...inside...
You're right! Lutz is on record at saying he wants to keep it under $40k at all "costs" (no pun intended). Nobody's said anything, but I think the original plan was to have it ring in at $30k...but this was before they began serious work on the battery and control systems. That must have been a little bit of a shock.

The only other 'mainstream' electric car out right now is the Tesla Roadster. It's a tiny, 2-seater that runs like a bullet for just over 200 miles in ideal conditions, including not actually driving like a bullet. (The EPA rated it at 220 miles per charge...so it certainly wasn't tested 'spiritedly'). Oh...and it costs over $100,000 last I checked into it.

The Volt will be an Industry marvel if it can do all they say for under $40k. 40+ miles a charge, a 300+ mile range total, it can carry more than two people, and can haul cargo in a real-sized trunk, etc, etc.

at this rate i would assume it would be a limited production car....but why would you create a green limited production car that is supposed to jump on the environmental bandwagon? why bother
Because perhaps its not meant primarily as a 'Green' car to help solve our energy problems...yet. If I recall correctly, they plan to sell only 10,000 units in the first year, ramping up the numbers each year after that. At $35k-$40k, I think they'll sell every single one. Once they do start selling, and once GM starts making money off of them; I think the Volt's price will actually begin to drop like a new TV.

I think GM's plan for the Volt is not just to be a Prius-fighter...but to honestly change the industry. E-flex is a platform, not a car; so expect to see more Extended Range Electric Vehicles out of GM. The Volt is only the first. I think that's why they bother: you have to start somewhere. E-flex and its future 'updates' has the potential to pay BIG dividends later on.

i think the money is in cars that are cheap and have high mpg...high price with with mpg just as much as your competition which is 15 grand less makes no sense
It actually gets significantly better mpg than a Prius if driven the way it was designed to be driven. The Volt was intended to be driven off of electricity only. And if you don't drive more than ~45 miles in a day: you will NEVER use gasoline. Can the Prius do that?

Even if you drive 90 miles a day, you're going to be getting ~90 mpg. Can the Prius do that?

But I agree with you. Small, fuel-efficent cars are going to be the money-makers in the very near future. And GM's got their fingers in that game, too: The Cruze, and perhaps Hybrid Cruzes to shame all comers! (total speculation on my part)

...especially when it doesn't look like its 15 grand more...the concept looked like it could be 40 grand and looked comparable to a tesla as modern and futuristic and could appeal to the audience that likes small run production cars like the tesla
But surely you must understand by now that the concept was crap in the wind-tunnel. The changes were 100% necessary in order for this thing to deliever on the range promises GM made. And, like the Camaro...I don't believe pictures do this car justice. As far as being futuristic...wait until you see the interior. I can't describe it very well, nor find any videos/pictures...but I've heard it said that it's incredibly forward-looking. Lots of touch-screen gadgets and gizmos, etc.

...but the hollywood green crowd won't buy the volt when they can get the tesla or prius...and the working class crowd sure as hell isn't paying 40 grand for an electric honda accord looking car...when you can just get a hybrid accord or civic
I disagree. The Hollywood green crowd will want to be on the latest bandwagon. The Volt will be better than the Prius (better-looking, better 'performing'), and it's newer and more useable than the Tesla Roadster. The Accord and Civic don't generate any buzz like the Volt will. They're just another hybrid, nothing special.

As for the working class....No probably not. But explain to me how people in this same category spend 50k on a big-a$$ Escalade for one person? Because they've got disposable income, and want to make a statement. There's some money to go around, and if an Escalade can make sense to these people, than so should a Volt to a slightly different crowd. Not everybody is going to be driving a Volt, of course - but for the amount that GM plans to sell; I 100% believe they'll ALL be sold very easily.

even if you used no gas at all on the volt...avg fuel costs are year are like 1500-2500 a year so it would still take 6-8 years to realize the savings of the fuel costs and by then mpg tech will be more advanced and cheaper an your car will be paid off by then
And the newer Volt or it's successors will be out and more advanced by then, too. You have to remember; this is the 1st car of its kind. Yeah, it's expensive, but they have to start somewhere. Like I said above, I don't believe that this is an instant gain for anybody: but down the road this program has the potential to REALLY pay off for GM. Who else is developing a practical electric car? Nobody. Toyota's making a plug-in hybrid...whoop-de-doo. And down the road, future iterations will have increased range, and better recharge rates, etc.
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I wouldn't drop 35k on either of them. Having a fuel-sipper that costs you 12k more than a normal car completely negates all the money you'd save by owning a Volt. Then there's the fact that the Prius starts at 22k.

I can get a GT500 brand-new for just under 40k, so I would probably just do that if an SS costs 35k (which would be suicide for GM, btw).
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But if you add a Sunny Boy - Grid Tie in Solar system. then you have a little mini fuel station on your roof. That's my long term plan just hoping solar panels go down sometime. Well like I want to do that 10 years from now + some form of plug in ride. And gas rides as toys. But plug in for grind.
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CAFE can put it where the Sun Don't Shine.

My 2KZ28 is about to grenade the rear-axle from too many throttle-shifted torque blasts. I think I ~might~ buy a Volt for a daily driver, keep my 2K, and say "It still runs."

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In the meantime, my Trusty 2K10 Camaro SS will be anxiously waiting to be unleashed........
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Well I obviously chose the Camaro SS. I work at a pharmacy up the street from home (not even a mile away). When I'm an intern, CU Denver is only a few miles away from home. My mom bought me a new Aveo back in May (I seriously get 30+ mpg CITY with that car). So I guess I don't care about gas prices, it doesn't affect my decision on a Camaro SS
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ok, for you that are complaining that the volt isnt worth the price, and you would rather buy a prius, watch this vid first. its a must see.
The prius part starts at 2:15


actually, everyone should just watch it anyways. Jeff Dunham is hilarious.
oh, and i picked the SS. I cant have an electric "thing" next to my V8 78. i need something that compliments my older car.
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Haha!!! That is one of the funniest vids I have ever seen!
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ok, for you that are complaining that the volt isnt worth the price, and you would rather buy a prius, watch this vid first. its a must see.
The prius part starts at 2:15


actually, everyone should just watch it anyways. Jeff Dunham is hilarious.
oh, and i picked the SS. I cant have an electric "thing" next to my V8 78. i need something that compliments my older car.

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Haha!!! That is one of the funniest vids I have ever seen!
you should watch his other vids. my favorite puppet is Achmed.

ok, back on topic.

so is this the same car i saw on the one commercial?
the one that went through time and the different gas stations, and then back to grass? if so, damn. i liked they way that one looked better.
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you should watch his other vids. my favorite puppet is Achmed.

ok, back on topic.

so is this the same car i saw on the one commercial?
the one that went through time and the different gas stations, and then back to grass? if so, damn. i liked they way that one looked better.

I am the "who cares?" you tube video dude.



Now THAT schnit is... FUNNY!!!!!!

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Um....I'll take the Camaro/Volt in

ONE!

That's right. Driving around the Camaro w/ Voltish underpinnings. That means regular driving costs me NO gas but when I step on it, BAM!!! 450 horses screaming out of the tailpipes!
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Um....I'll take the Camaro/Volt in ONE!!
Here you go:

Had to vote Camaro. With extended range Volt would be an option. My commute to work is 22 miles, can't make the round trip. Just not practical for big ol Texas.

Now if it had the range of the Tesla!
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I voted SS.

Leave the volt to the tree hugging democrats who think CAFE is a good idea.
Well I'm a Democrat, but not a treehugger, and I do think looking at the big picture CAFE is a good idea, albeit a bit agressive, but a good idea nonetheless. I welcome the Volt and hope it's a hit because the car that gets like a gazillion MPG will help GM meet CAFE regs so that we can get more high powered vehicles on the otherside of the spectrum, which is why if it works I'll be more than happy to buy one (for my wife!). Ultimately our dependance on oil whether foriegn or domestic needs to be curbed because it is contributing the decay of our ecosystem, (don't think global warming is real... look at the Gulf region this summer!) and one day WE WILL RUN OUT! Hopefully before we have 110 degree heat in January and have pumped our last barrel of crude we'll have an infrastrucure that will allow us to continue our society uninterrupted. BUT, untill then I want my big loud ass V8!!
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35k for an SS? No thanks. Thats nearly 50k in Canadian pricing. I'd take a Volt instead, gas is more expensive here too, ~$5/gal now. I'd never buy a Prius, regardless of pricing.

Also, when did GM announce pricing on the Volt? People seem to be upset by the notion that it will cost GM ~40k to produce but ignore the fact that the shareholders have agreed that they will sell the Volt at a loss. Its more important for GM to sell the thing than to make money on it. And that was in the midst of large quarterly losses too.
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Also, when did GM announce pricing on the Volt? People seem to be upset by the notion that it will cost GM ~40k to produce but ignore the fact that the shareholders have agreed that they will sell the Volt at a loss. Its more important for GM to sell the thing than to make money on it. And that was in the midst of large quarterly losses too.

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When did the volt get ugly?
Last time I checked it looked like this:

What happened?
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That is unfortunately a total brick aerodynamically. They did extensive wind tunnel testing and rounded the design quite a bit.
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When did the volt get ugly?
Last time I checked it looked like this:

What happened?

thats the Volt i remember. too bad the aerodynamics sucked on it tho.
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