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View Poll Results: Which would you actually spend $35k on?
Volt - Because gas is getting too expensive for an SS. 5 3.47%
Volt - But only for my spouse to drive. 0 0%
SS - I love the smell of gasoline and burning rubber. 139 96.53%
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:14 PM   #18
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Well seeing as electricity is going way up and the electric company's is pushing the limits every year on raising prices it seems silly to me. You pay for it someway. Unless you are rich smog guy with a windmill in the front yard or solar panels on the roof whats the point? I drive for two and a half hours a day so volt really doesn't do much for me. So the camaro I guess.
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:17 PM   #19
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Are you serious? To even ask a question like that on a forum dedicated to the 5thgen camaro. What did you think the answer would be.
Exactly. Vise-Versa, it's a "no-brainer" on the Volt forums. duh
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:28 PM   #20
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Camaro...then the Volt.
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:39 PM   #21
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Sorry but the volt is UGLY and gaz prices arent really an issue for me so ill pass on it
I agree, but who ever went up to a Prius and said "this car looks pimp." Sorry all you accountants and activists out there who role a Prius blasting some NWA. Now, if you really wanted to save money, gas, and environment or whatnot, you can't really make a fashion statement. At least not yet. Volt looks better than the Prius any day. Word.
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:47 PM   #22
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volt looked better in concept form and would be worth the 35 grand...looking like a fake honda accord is not worth 35 grand...

remember the people buying this are trying to save money by not using gas...it will take years to actually save the money because of the extra 15 grand you spent over the competitor

newsflash gm the majority of americans don't care about global warming and if they do they don't care enough to actually change their habits...and that means going out of their way to buy some planetgreen car...

as for buying a nice cheap car that will save your wallet on gas....thats viable...paying near 40 grand just to say "I care about the environment" ain't going to cut it in the car market...not enough customers are going to do the latter

gm you have to stop making decisions and moves like your 3 steps behind the competition...

great job on the camaro malibu and the avg mpg of the whole fleet ...but this could be a total buzz killer for you guys...and the only good i can think of is putting this techonology into the rest of the fleet into the future at an affordable price
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:56 PM   #23
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volt looked better in concept form and would be worth the 35 grand...looking like a fake honda accord is not worth 35 grand...

remember the people buying this are trying to save money by not using gas...it will take years to actually save the money because of the extra 15 grand you spent over the competitor

newsflash gm the majority of americans don't care about global warming and if they do they don't care enough to actually change their habits...and that means going out of their way to buy some planetgreen car...

as for buying a nice cheap car that will save your wallet on gas....thats viable...paying near 40 grand just to say "I care about the environment" ain't going to cut it in the car market...not enough customers are going to do the latter

gm you have to stop making decisions and moves like your 3 steps behind the competition...

great job on the camaro malibu and the avg mpg of the whole fleet ...but this could be a total buzz killer for you guys...and the only good i can think of is putting this techonology into the rest of the fleet into the future at an affordable price



There is much validity to this and I agree about the cost of the volt. Volt may back fire if gas goes back to $2.75 in the next few years. The same anal-ists that said we'd see $5 gas for next year are saying we may see $65-$85 a barel prices by the end of next year. Can you believe that? Now, if gas does what they said earlier, goes up to 5 and 6 a gallon then Volt is a good buy at 35k, but not now.
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Old 09-09-2008, 08:16 PM   #24
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To those "conversing" about the projected price........

1) Do you understand why it would cost just under $40,000?

2) Do you know how GM plans to produce this car? (number of units, etc?)

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Old 09-09-2008, 09:57 PM   #25
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I voted SS.

Leave the volt to the tree hugging democrats who think CAFE is a good idea.
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:32 PM   #26
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do you plug it in at work? If you go on an extended trip and need to stay at a motel, do you carry your own extension cord to plug it in over night and do you take watch shifts during the night to make sure no one makes off with your chargeing cable ( Bet that is a pretty penny to replace)?


Nope....no need to plug it in at work. My round trip commute is about 40 miles. Plus it has a gas motor that comes on to recharge the battery if I need to go more than 40 miles. Extended trip just uses the gas motor to charge it until you get someplace to plug it in.
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To those "conversing" about the projected price........

1) Do you understand why it would cost just under $40,000?

2) Do you know how GM plans to produce this car? (number of units, etc?)

i'm assuming it is 40, grand due to the technology...inside...

at this rate i would assume it would be a limited production car....but why would you create a green limited production car that is supposed to jump on the environmental bandwagon? why bother

i think the money is in cars that are cheap and have high mpg...high price with with mpg just as much as your competition which is 15 grand less makes no sense...especially when it doesn't look like its 15 grand more...the concept looked like it could be 40 grand and looked comparable to a tesla as modern and futuristic and could appeal to the audience that likes small run production cars like the tesla...but the hollywood green crowd won't buy the volt when they can get the tesla or prius...and the working class crowd sure as hell isn't paying 40 grand for an electric honda accord looking car...when you can just get a hybrid accord or civic

even if you used no gas at all on the volt...avg fuel costs are year are like 1500-2500 a year so it would still take 6-8 years to realize the savings of the fuel costs and by then mpg tech will be more advanced and cheaper an your car will be paid off by then
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Its only 40K if you buy it outright. There is talk about just leasing the battery, which would lower the price of the car considerably.
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hmmm leasing the battery...you'd really have to see how much it is a year...and then what happens when you pay off the car and if you want to keep it you have to lease a new battery every couple years...

well i'll let gm iron out the details...i'm rooting for the car...i was even considering having both a camaro and volt....

but the design to me is a dissapointment...and at the price it won't be a huge seller...i smell trouble with the price and how it will play in the market...

I think gm is buying into this green hype too much...all we care about is saving money environment the market isn't so concerned...only in places like L.A. and San francisco
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There was an interesting article in the latest edition of WIRED magazine. If you've got some time to read it (fairly long), you'll get an idea of what kind of plans are out there for utilizing battery leasing.

http://www.wired.com/cars/futuretran...6-09/ff_agassi
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I think the total cost of ownership still gonna be lower for a while.

It would be better to buy a Camaro and like a used 4 banger POS for the daily mileage grind.
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These were the answers I was expecting. Meaning NO offense to you AT ALL.

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i'm assuming it is 40, grand due to the technology...inside...
You're right! Lutz is on record at saying he wants to keep it under $40k at all "costs" (no pun intended). Nobody's said anything, but I think the original plan was to have it ring in at $30k...but this was before they began serious work on the battery and control systems. That must have been a little bit of a shock.

The only other 'mainstream' electric car out right now is the Tesla Roadster. It's a tiny, 2-seater that runs like a bullet for just over 200 miles in ideal conditions, including not actually driving like a bullet. (The EPA rated it at 220 miles per charge...so it certainly wasn't tested 'spiritedly'). Oh...and it costs over $100,000 last I checked into it.

The Volt will be an Industry marvel if it can do all they say for under $40k. 40+ miles a charge, a 300+ mile range total, it can carry more than two people, and can haul cargo in a real-sized trunk, etc, etc.

at this rate i would assume it would be a limited production car....but why would you create a green limited production car that is supposed to jump on the environmental bandwagon? why bother
Because perhaps its not meant primarily as a 'Green' car to help solve our energy problems...yet. If I recall correctly, they plan to sell only 10,000 units in the first year, ramping up the numbers each year after that. At $35k-$40k, I think they'll sell every single one. Once they do start selling, and once GM starts making money off of them; I think the Volt's price will actually begin to drop like a new TV.

I think GM's plan for the Volt is not just to be a Prius-fighter...but to honestly change the industry. E-flex is a platform, not a car; so expect to see more Extended Range Electric Vehicles out of GM. The Volt is only the first. I think that's why they bother: you have to start somewhere. E-flex and its future 'updates' has the potential to pay BIG dividends later on.

i think the money is in cars that are cheap and have high mpg...high price with with mpg just as much as your competition which is 15 grand less makes no sense
It actually gets significantly better mpg than a Prius if driven the way it was designed to be driven. The Volt was intended to be driven off of electricity only. And if you don't drive more than ~45 miles in a day: you will NEVER use gasoline. Can the Prius do that?

Even if you drive 90 miles a day, you're going to be getting ~90 mpg. Can the Prius do that?

But I agree with you. Small, fuel-efficent cars are going to be the money-makers in the very near future. And GM's got their fingers in that game, too: The Cruze, and perhaps Hybrid Cruzes to shame all comers! (total speculation on my part)

...especially when it doesn't look like its 15 grand more...the concept looked like it could be 40 grand and looked comparable to a tesla as modern and futuristic and could appeal to the audience that likes small run production cars like the tesla
But surely you must understand by now that the concept was crap in the wind-tunnel. The changes were 100% necessary in order for this thing to deliever on the range promises GM made. And, like the Camaro...I don't believe pictures do this car justice. As far as being futuristic...wait until you see the interior. I can't describe it very well, nor find any videos/pictures...but I've heard it said that it's incredibly forward-looking. Lots of touch-screen gadgets and gizmos, etc.

...but the hollywood green crowd won't buy the volt when they can get the tesla or prius...and the working class crowd sure as hell isn't paying 40 grand for an electric honda accord looking car...when you can just get a hybrid accord or civic
I disagree. The Hollywood green crowd will want to be on the latest bandwagon. The Volt will be better than the Prius (better-looking, better 'performing'), and it's newer and more useable than the Tesla Roadster. The Accord and Civic don't generate any buzz like the Volt will. They're just another hybrid, nothing special.

As for the working class....No probably not. But explain to me how people in this same category spend 50k on a big-a$$ Escalade for one person? Because they've got disposable income, and want to make a statement. There's some money to go around, and if an Escalade can make sense to these people, than so should a Volt to a slightly different crowd. Not everybody is going to be driving a Volt, of course - but for the amount that GM plans to sell; I 100% believe they'll ALL be sold very easily.

even if you used no gas at all on the volt...avg fuel costs are year are like 1500-2500 a year so it would still take 6-8 years to realize the savings of the fuel costs and by then mpg tech will be more advanced and cheaper an your car will be paid off by then
And the newer Volt or it's successors will be out and more advanced by then, too. You have to remember; this is the 1st car of its kind. Yeah, it's expensive, but they have to start somewhere. Like I said above, I don't believe that this is an instant gain for anybody: but down the road this program has the potential to REALLY pay off for GM. Who else is developing a practical electric car? Nobody. Toyota's making a plug-in hybrid...whoop-de-doo. And down the road, future iterations will have increased range, and better recharge rates, etc.
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Old 09-10-2008, 12:43 AM   #33
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I wouldn't drop 35k on either of them. Having a fuel-sipper that costs you 12k more than a normal car completely negates all the money you'd save by owning a Volt. Then there's the fact that the Prius starts at 22k.

I can get a GT500 brand-new for just under 40k, so I would probably just do that if an SS costs 35k (which would be suicide for GM, btw).
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But if you add a Sunny Boy - Grid Tie in Solar system. then you have a little mini fuel station on your roof. That's my long term plan just hoping solar panels go down sometime. Well like I want to do that 10 years from now + some form of plug in ride. And gas rides as toys. But plug in for grind.
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