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View Poll Results: Which would you actually spend $35k on?
Volt - Because gas is getting too expensive for an SS. 5 3.47%
Volt - But only for my spouse to drive. 0 0%
SS - I love the smell of gasoline and burning rubber. 139 96.53%
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:55 PM   #51
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Neither...

If I'm dropping 35k for a car, I will be saving another 5-6k and just buy a new vette.

My limit on the camaro is 32k, past that I can get a less than 3 years old garage queen vette, or just save another couple grand and buy one new.


EDIT - on the topic of the volt... MANY lose site of the fact that if you drive less than 40 miles a day your gas bill is $0.00 which means you have that money you would normally spend on gas to use towards the payment of the car. So if you spend $40 a week in gas now.. that's $160 more a month you can afford towards a car that doesn't use gas. $160 more in a payment can be upwards of 5-10k more on the total price of the vehicle.
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I'm halfway through Lutz's interview. I advise everyone to listen to both parts, but its a total of ~2hrs. Lots of good stuff.

Oh, one other thing that should help the Volt is the tax rebates. The Prius got over $3000 in rebates. The Volt should get at least that much.
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Neither...

If I'm dropping 35k for a car, I will be saving another 5-6k and just buy a new vette.

My limit on the camaro is 32k, past that I can get a less than 3 years old garage queen vette, or just save another couple grand and buy one new.


EDIT - on the topic of the volt... MANY lose site of the fact that if you drive less than 40 miles a day your gas bill is $0.00 which means you have that money you would normally spend on gas to use towards the payment of the car. So if you spend $40 a week in gas now.. that's $160 more a month you can afford towards a car that doesn't use gas. $160 more in a payment can be upwards of 5-10k more on the total price of the vehicle.
which makes it unnecessary because you don't actually save the money...you can buy a cheaper hybrid and actually save the money

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thats the Volt i remember. too bad the aerodynamics sucked on it tho.
and we were complaining about some small differences on the camaro...geez the volt did a total 180 in design...it went from a futuristic look to looking like a honda...what the heck...cheap bean counters....

the volt looks like a cheap rental car from hertz...just wow...i blame the unions in gm and c.a.f.e for crippling and making it anti-competetive for american car companies...

screw the eco-warriors
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the volt looks like a cheap rental car from hertz...just wow...i blame the unions in gm and c.a.f.e for crippling and making it anti-competetive for american car companies...

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which makes it unnecessary because you don't actually save the money...you can buy a cheaper hybrid and actually save the money
Wow... I honestly thought the goal of the volt for consumers (and the prius for that matter) was to reduce useage of oil...

If your after monetary savings.. Buy an aveo, motorcycle, yaris, golf... You will spend MANY THOUSANDS less in the purchase, maint, AND gas..

But thats the problem with all these treehuggers (eco-warriors per you).. they want the cake and eat it to... its either your spending the same or more money to not use oil, or your in it to save money in which this vehicle or ANY HYBRID is not the right car for you.
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Wow... I honestly thought the goal of the volt for consumers (and the prius for that matter) was to reduce useage of oil...

If your after monetary savings.. Buy an aveo, motorcycle, yaris, golf... You will spend MANY THOUSANDS less in the purchase, maint, AND gas..

But thats the problem with all these treehuggers (eco-warriors per you).. they want the cake and eat it to... its either your spending the same or more money to not use oil, or your in it to save money in which this vehicle or ANY HYBRID is not the right car for you.
believe me there isn't enough of a market of people who want to buy this car just because it supposedly "saves the environment" anybody interested in high mpg mileage vehicles are doing it because they are strapped for cash and want to curb high gas prices...

as an expensive car for eco-warriors it has very little market viablity...trust me this global warming crap is going to die down and has already started to die down...general electric wishes they didn't invest so much in their green marketing

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if i stated how i really feel this place would need censors up the wazoo and thus wouldn't be readable....
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if i stated how i really feel this place would need censors up the wazoo and thus wouldn't be readable....
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believe me there isn't enough of a market of people who want to buy this car just because it supposedly "saves the environment" anybody interested in high mpg mileage vehicles are doing it because they are strapped for cash and want to curb high gas prices...

as an expensive car for eco-warriors it has very little market viablity...trust me this global warming crap is going to die down and has already started to die down...general electric wishes they didn't invest so much in their green marketing
Explain the Prius then. It costs $10k more than a basic economy car and Toyota has sold hundreds of thousands of them. There is no economic justification for it. Even the total environmental picture for them doesn't work out. Yet they still sell.
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X3 sometimes. I have to constantly edit my posts so I don't get myself in trouble, LOL.

Volt :seesaw: Camaro... Do I really have to think about this?
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the go green campaign is the modern day Santa Claus. They pulled it off though.
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the go green campaign is the modern day Santa Claus. They pulled it off though.
Till everyone realizes America is the only place that is REALLY pushing this 'Green' crap....
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Till everyone realizes America is the only place that is REALLY pushing this 'Green' crap....
America has the largest rates of consumption in the world for virtually ANY resource, gasoline included. We're actually pretty late to this party. This is the reason why you see such small vehicles in Europe, plus there's Brazil, which basically runs completely off of sugarcane ethanol (not that crappy corn ethanol we have).

The reason we haven't cared until recently is because Americans have been very fortunate in terms of prices of gas (heck, gas is like 5 bucks per litre across the pond). That's starting to change.
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If the Volt looked anything like the concept, maybe, but that POS in the picture looks like a Mazda 3 crashed into the back of a Malibu.

Thank goodness the Camaro SS looks very similar to the concept!

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35k for an SS? No thanks. Thats nearly 50k in Canadian pricing.


I thought the Canadian dollar to the American dollar was about even now?
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I thought the Canadian dollar to the American dollar was about even now?
GM pricing in Canada is completely independent from the value of the local currency. The cost is ridiculous.
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America has the largest rates of consumption in the world for virtually ANY resource, gasoline included. We're actually pretty late to this party. This is the reason why you see such small vehicles in Europe, plus there's Brazil, which basically runs completely off of sugarcane ethanol (not that crappy corn ethanol we have).

The reason we haven't cared until recently is because Americans have been very fortunate in terms of prices of gas (heck, gas is like 5 bucks per litre across the pond). That's starting to change.
even though our gas is taxed by both the state and the country...we pale in comparison to the taxes the europeans get...

but there are certain regulations in the american market that restricts companies like gm and ford ...

for instance ford has a diesel car in europe that gets 65 mpg but they can't build it here in america because its diesel....

i really really want the volt to succeed and if it looked like the concept i really considered having it as a daily car even at that price...but it looks too japanese and i wanted an american version of an electric car...it seems like they are trying to immitate instead of innovate ...

now hopefully many first time buyers buy the car so that it can survive and economies of scale takes place with the technology and eventually it will become an affordable everday vehicle...

i may still support gm with this just because i'm biased towards american cars and i want their first major effort to succeed...so I will refrain from bashing it anymore and wait to hear official information from gm themselves I mean the purple one from transformers didn't look that bad
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thats a big difference...it now lacks that "unique"ness...and has that japanese sorta emptyness to it.
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i really really want the volt to succeed and if it looked like the concept i really considered having it as a daily car even at that price...but it looks too japanese and i wanted an american version of an electric car...it seems like they are trying to immitate instead of innovate ...
I don't think that's entirely true. The Volt in concept form was pure hotness like a sexy hippe chick, but it was an invariable brick in the wind tunnel. The elongated egg shape of this segment of cars has little to do with aestetics, but is designed to maximize usable interior space and reduce drag with a relatively small exterior size. Smaller car + better aerodynamics ~ less weight and less drag = better fuel economy/less strain on electric motors. It would've been great if the Volt had retained it's original sexiness, but as we've all learned very clearly here while griping over our Camaro, concept to production changes aren't do just for sh*ts and giggles.

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America has the largest rates of consumption in the world for virtually ANY resource, gasoline included. We're actually pretty late to this party. This is the reason why you see such small vehicles in Europe, plus there's Brazil, which basically runs completely off of sugarcane ethanol (not that crappy corn ethanol we have).

The reason we haven't cared until recently is because Americans have been very fortunate in terms of prices of gas (heck, gas is like 5 bucks per litre across the pond). That's starting to change.
Actually, that is now China for everything except oil.

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Its not just GM, its not just the automakers either. Our economy is setup for the Canadian dollar to be around $0.80 to the US dollar. Things are slowly changing but everyone is generally waiting for the US economy to go back to normal. Any radical changes would be worse than how things are now.
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thats a big difference...it now lacks that "unique"ness...and has that japanese sorta emptyness to it.
the concept actually made it look like it could be camaro's bookworm little brother who's smart but still gets girls because he is so sophisticated and debonaire...

now it just looks like the nerdy asain kid everyone used to cheat off of in class
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The Volt in concept form was pure hotness like a sexy hippe chick, but it was an invariable brick in the wind tunnel. It would've been great if the Volt had retained it's original sexiness, but as we've all learned very clearly here while griping over our Camaro, concept to production changes aren't do just for sh*ts and giggles.

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Perfect example
Seeing the two side next to each other, you can see many of the styling elements that they kept: the hood indentations, window trickery (not sure what else to call it, nose shape, plus others. Is it the same, or will anyone ever confuse the two? No. It looks like they took the concept and smoothed it out.
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Id beg to differ...I see where your going though. IMHO they scrapped the whole design, the profile is different. I look at it as an artist I would have an extremely hard time trying to draw the production model, but the concept would be a breeze. side by side it seems like they used a generic "aerodynamic" mold, and tried to crop in the concept's most "standout" features in it on photoshop.
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Id beg to differ...I see where your going though. IMHO they scrapped the whole design, the profile is different. I look at it as an artist I would have an extremely hard time trying to draw the production model, but the concept would be a breeze. side by side it seems like they used a generic "aerodynamic" mold, and tried to crop in the concept's most "standout" features in it on photoshop.
I agree and the profile is very different from the concept, nobody can argue that. And most people would say that it was the profile that gave the concept such a distinctive look. And the engineers would say that the profile was the worst part about the concept, from an aero perspective. Unfortunately, form follows function. So we are left with something that looks sorta like a cross between an Aveo and the Volt.
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I agree and the profile is very different from the concept, nobody can argue that. And most people would say that it was the profile that gave the concept such a distinctive look. And the engineers would say that the profile was the worst part about the concept, from an aero perspective. Unfortunately, form follows function. So we are left with something that looks sorta like a cross between an Aveo and the Volt.
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Still...when compared to the Prius, or the Intrigue....I think it's a kick-ass design.
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