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Old 09-10-2008, 01:25 PM   #26
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How do we know if we have to settle? I know I havent driven a production 2010 Camaro yet.........
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:34 PM   #27
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How do we know if we have to settle? I know I havent driven a production 2010 Camaro yet.........
I dont know, just speculating

its a minor aspect of the car which i hoped would have turned out better

i guess this means a manual for me! ohhh nooo!!! more fun...
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Old 09-10-2008, 02:06 PM   #28
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It might even be faster if the transmission is left in full auto and you just kick the pedal down to shift. Thats what I would prefer if I was getting an auto unless I needed to keep it in a certain gear.

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i guess this means a manual for me! ohhh nooo!!! more fun...
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Old 09-10-2008, 02:16 PM   #29
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It sounds like you guys want the F1 style paddle shifters that have an automatically actuated clutch. Do you have any idea how much that would add to the cost of the car?

Besides if you can live with being 1-2 10ths slower to sixty you can get a real manual transmission. I know I sure can, besides those that are actually bothered by bing beat by an auto can always get performance upgrades.
IMVHO, if you don't like it, get a manual or don't use it. This is a different car too, so things have a chance at improving by the time it's on Camaro, so don't worry yet

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I dont know, just speculating

its a minor aspect of the car which i hoped would have turned out better

i guess this means a manual for me! ohhh nooo!!! more fun...
Let's just try to keep our minds open until a test drive
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Old 09-10-2008, 02:25 PM   #30
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Old 09-10-2008, 02:34 PM   #31
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The auto/paddles are made to the feeling of a manual in an automatic car.

IMHO it fails to deliver on that, because its not .1 or .2 seconds, its well over a full second.

This may mean i will have to get a manual, but isnt that kind of sad to think about? if you dont want to SETTLE, you have to get a completely different tranny?
the new corvette doesnt take that long to shift, (drove one last week) maybe we can hope for that
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the new corvette doesnt take that long to shift, (drove one last week) maybe we can hope for that
you can hope... but we're getting the system in the G8, not the Corvette.
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Old 09-10-2008, 02:58 PM   #33
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the new corvette doesnt take that long to shift, (drove one last week) maybe we can hope for that
Yeah my dad and I tested one, and it shifted quite nicely. I hope for at LEAST this in the Camaro, although I small part of me expects GM to put a sub-par tap-shift system in (PLEASE prove me wrong GM!). If they "optimized the shift points" or whatever like they said, that makes me feel better about it. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed!
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The G8 and the Corvette both have an automatic transmission with a manual shift mode. As such, you can program some lag out of it, but in the end the mechanical limitations mean there will still be some lag. That is just how automatics work. There is also a limit to the crispness. Yes that can be tweaked too but only to a certain extent. You can't program an automatic with manual mode to act like an F1 system/DCT/Tiptronic/SMG/R-tronic/whatever other automated manual systems you can think of. The differences go far beyond computer programming. They are altogether different mechanical concepts.
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Old 09-10-2008, 03:01 PM   #35
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better stall and increasing the pressure in the tranny will fix that.

since the 6l80e is all computer controlled you can get the pressures changed when you get a tune for it.
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As indicated above, if you want to know how the Camaro will perform, go drive a G8. If the G8 shifts slowly, so will the Camaro.
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As indicated above, if you want to know how the Camaro will perform, go drive a G8. If the G8 shifts slowly, so will the Camaro.
in theory.
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Old 09-10-2008, 05:16 PM   #38
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Nothing a trans tune won't solve.

You can get the trans to snap your neck off it you want. GM always designs their cars to shift with ease. It is a balance. If you want more HP and Neck snapping shifting, just get a tune.
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Yes you can get that, but it still won't be just like a Porsche, Audi, whatever transmission. It seems people think that good transmission = fast neck snapping shifts = Just like automated manual, and that's not the case.
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:39 PM   #40
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Yes you can get that, but it still won't be just like a Porsche, Audi, whatever transmission. It seems people think that good transmission = fast neck snapping shifts = Just like automated manual, and that's not the case.
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Old 09-10-2008, 07:36 PM   #41
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I have driven a 05 cts (3.6L) with the 5 speed auto and I must admit it is much more fun to drive than any other automatic car I have ever driven. It does not have the tapshift system, but I don't think I would ever need it or use it because of the way this car downshifts easily, even as you decelerate or head into a corner. It will downshift at maybe 30% throttle, so you don't have to be trying so hard just to pass someone. It will also downshift while breaking, and be ready in the right gear when you hit the gas again. This is not really a fast car, but it really makes it a lot more fun to drive than the 4L60E I am used to.

I can't say what the camaro trans will feel like, but if it is anything like the CTS, I think it will be a nice step up for aggressive driving.

With that said, it will not replace a manual, but if I were to get the auto version of the camaro, I promise you I would hardly ever waste my time with the Tapshift setup, just leave it in D and I think it will be a blast to drive.
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Old 09-10-2008, 07:40 PM   #42
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Honestly, just get a manual.
The only good dual-clutch transmissions are in cars that most of us can't afford and they're less fun to boot : )
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Old 09-10-2008, 07:43 PM   #43
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on my g35, i had the valve body sent out to a company that adjusted it to make it shift MUCH fatser. It would snap into 2nd & 3rd, with my TT setup I could burn rubber into 3rd gear...

the corvettes have alot of aftermarket help with the auto's, they have really dropped shift times on regular vette autos with computer managment...
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The one feature I think the automatic does need is a good sport mode, where it downshifts more willingly, upshifts later, and shifts more firmly. In a lot of cars that have this feature, a lot of reviewers preferred it to manual shifting.
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The one feature I think the automatic does need is a good sport mode, where it downshifts more willingly, upshifts later, and shifts more firmly. In a lot of cars that have this feature, a lot of reviewers preferred it to manual shifting.
I was under the assumption it did have this feature....

Maybe I was wrong though....
In the Corvette, you shift down into the manual gate; but if you don't click the paddles -- then you're in sport mode. Which = quicker, more aggressive shift pattern, and it hold gears longer (for turns). I thought this was the case in the Camaro...hm...
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Great if that applies to us too, but I haven't seen any mention of it, and I don't think it is likely they would forget to put anything having to do with "Sport" in the info released.
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I thought it had all that stuff and when you downshifted it blipped the throttle. I could've swore I saw someone say that...
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I was under the assumption it did have this feature....

Maybe I was wrong though....
In the Corvette, you shift down into the manual gate; but if you don't click the paddles -- then you're in sport mode. Which = quicker, more aggressive shift pattern, and it hold gears longer (for turns). I thought this was the case in the Camaro...hm...
the Camaro automatic has the same system as the G8, the hyrdomatic system.

in this system, you put the car into 'manual' mode, but like the corvette, you dont actualy shift, when you do that, the car goes into sport mode. if you do shift, it leaves sport mode, and goes to manual mode.
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I've been telling you guys all along that the manual shifting on the car won't be a replacement for a manual transmission. And an experienced driver with a stick will be able to utilize a car's power better on any kind of track. Drag, autocross or track. Even with recalibration it still won't be a substitute for a manual. You'll have to get you a dual clutch like a VW or an F1 style automated manual. Hyrdamatic systems are inherently limited. Not saying their bad automatic transmissions, they just won't have the performance capability of the manual.
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right...the auto won't shear off the axle stubs at will like a manual can.
Wheel hop and then broken stuff is always a good way to end a track session.
There are always trade offs guys.

You can "FORCE" the car to do more then it was designed to do....but do you really want to?

The engine and the transmission (auto) are in comunication....if the engine is putting out too much for tolerances...the trany will "ask" to ease up the timing...and does..then goes back to full out. that's for preservation.

Example: you Wife or girlfriend is in the pool...you are out of the pool.
She asks you to give her a hand out of the water.
do you snatch her out so hard and fast that it pulls her arm out of socket or off completely.....
Just because you can...should you?

(no...you want to be able to have a civil evening and continue to enjoy her company)

same with the car.
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