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Old 09-11-2008, 01:53 PM   #51
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WoW. I may go off topic for a second, but im thinking of sticking with the idea of going for the auto for two significant reasons:

1. while my sessions with my manual trans '85 z28 were fun(RIP) , i don't think i ever got the hang of shiftin tha darn thing correctly! and this may have contributed to the tranny problems that later came up.
2. NONE of my friends drive stick! Im one hell of a drinker and drinkin n drivin IS out of the question...

In conclusion,
I dont deem myself worthy of the manual transmission! Slow or Not, Automatic Tap Shift it izzz
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:14 PM   #52
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I have been driving a Pedderised and ProCharged G8 since February. The automatic is sluggish in stock trim for the G8 in the opinion of most sports car owners because it has been tuned for smooth shifting and fuel economy. It does seem to improve as it adjusts to your driving in sport mode. That wasn't good enough for me and it won't be for many owners. HP Tuning software is the answer.The 1st to 2nd gear up-shift on wide open throttle now shreds the rear tires and leaves a 15' black patch on the pavement.

After a very hard testing session at Gingerman Raceway and another 1K of normal driving we drained the tranny fluid. I do run a rather large cooler, but there was minimal change in the fluid, a very good sign. Frequent fluid changes and coolers really help reduce the abuse I head on my cars.

My GUESS is the Camaro automatic will be a bit more crisp because it is the nature of the car. Just as the ZETA chassis was tweaked for the Camaro, so will other elements of the car be tweaked to match the character of the car and the demands of the drivers.
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:15 PM   #53
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right...the auto won't shear off the axle stubs at will like a manual can.
Wheel hop and then broken stuff is always a good way to end a track session.
There are always trade offs guys.

You can "FORCE" the car to do more then it was designed to do....but do you really want to?

The engine and the transmission (auto) are in comunication....if the engine is putting out too much for tolerances...the trany will "ask" to ease up the timing...and does..then goes back to full out. that's for preservation.

Example: you Wife or girlfriend is in the pool...you are out of the pool.
She asks you to give her a hand out of the water.
do you snatch her out so hard and fast that it pulls her arm out of socket or off completely.....
Just because you can...should you?

(no...you want to be able to have a civil evening and continue to enjoy her company)

same with the car.
Fancy meeting you here. How are you?
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:20 PM   #54
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...NONE of my friends drive stick!
Even your girlfriends?
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:40 PM   #55
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Fancy meeting you here. How are you?
Pretty good Pete...how about yourself??
Economies got my numbers down...but not "out" anyways...

You doin goat run 08 in Vegas this year?
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Old 09-11-2008, 03:26 PM   #56
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Pretty good Pete...how about yourself??
Economies got my numbers down...but not "out" anyways...

You doin goat run 08 in Vegas this year?
The economy has numbers down every where. We are in the lucky group of companies that are actually growing this year. Put another way, we are working even harder than last year to maintain the same growth rate. If it doesn't kill us, it will make us stronger, right?

We are a sponsor and I think I'll be able to make it out. Will you be there?

Sorry about going off topic here.
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Old 09-11-2008, 03:51 PM   #57
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I'm planning on it...but I gotta find some extra money before hand...
like you said work harder to stay at the same growth.
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Old 09-11-2008, 04:52 PM   #58
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Even your girlfriends?
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i wish they knew how. for now, they'll just have to sit there and look pretty
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right...the auto won't shear off the axle stubs at will like a manual can.
Wheel hop and then broken stuff is always a good way to end a track session.
There are always trade offs guys.

You can "FORCE" the car to do more then it was designed to do....but do you really want to?

The engine and the transmission (auto) are in comunication....if the engine is putting out too much for tolerances...the trany will "ask" to ease up the timing...and does..then goes back to full out. that's for preservation.

Example: you Wife or girlfriend is in the pool...you are out of the pool.
She asks you to give her a hand out of the water.
do you snatch her out so hard and fast that it pulls her arm out of socket or off completely.....
Just because you can...should you?

(no...you want to be able to have a civil evening and continue to enjoy her company)

same with the car.
Yeah, but that's all part of knowing how to drive it properly and understanding what it can and can't do. I could babble on about when you have a manual transmission that YOU (rather than just the trans) are in communication with the engine. But that'd be too easy. Wheel hop has been toned down according to reports and it was only an issue during high rpm launches. The car also has launch control so those should both be less of an issue this time around. Just saying.

And that was a really off-the-wall out-of-your-ass analogy. I always said you were crazy, Mr. 600hp GTO.
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Old 09-11-2008, 06:34 PM   #60
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Painted a picture for you though.....

when guys are reving and sidestepping the clutch and shit is shaking apart..



they might remember the girl in the pool.
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For me it has to be an automatic tranny. Being a paraplegic, I have to use hand controls and they dont make them for use with a manual. If they did, I would need more hands to shift and drive.

I have the tap shift on my BMW and its fun to use, but usually leave it in "D". Not sure if the camaro tap shift will be as crisp as the BMW, but will give me something to play around with anyways. Maybe I cant use a manual, but just happy I can at least still drive!
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right...the auto won't shear off the axle stubs at will like a manual can.
Wheel hop and then broken stuff is always a good way to end a track session.
There are always trade offs guys.

You can "FORCE" the car to do more then it was designed to do....but do you really want to?

The engine and the transmission (auto) are in comunication....if the engine is putting out too much for tolerances...the trany will "ask" to ease up the timing...and does..then goes back to full out. that's for preservation.

Example: you Wife or girlfriend is in the pool...you are out of the pool.
She asks you to give her a hand out of the water.
do you snatch her out so hard and fast that it pulls her arm out of socket or off completely.....
Just because you can...should you?

(no...you want to be able to have a civil evening and continue to enjoy her company)

same with the car.
I don't know did she cheat on you?
Jk of course not.
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For me it has to be an automatic tranny. Being a paraplegic, I have to use hand controls and they dont make them for use with a manual. If they did, I would need more hands to shift and drive.

I have the tap shift on my BMW and its fun to use, but usually leave it in "D". Not sure if the camaro tap shift will be as crisp as the BMW, but will give me something to play around with anyways. Maybe I cant use a manual, but just happy I can at least still drive!
I may be way off on this, but I've heard BMW sources some of their transmissions from GM. I read it in a car magazine. I'm pretty sure it was a 6 cylinder BMW though so if you have a 3 series it could be the same trans with different programming. That may be from an older one though.
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I don't know did she cheat on you?
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I may be way off on this, but I've heard BMW sources some of their transmissions from GM. I read it in a car magazine. I'm pretty sure it was a 6 cylinder BMW though so if you have a 3 series it could be the same trans with different programming. That may be from an older one though.

I actually drive a 2007 BMW X5, V8 with 320 hp. Its an extremely heavy SUV, but can feel the power even pushing around 5000lbs. BMW calls it a tiptronic shift automatic. (6 speed tranny).

With over 1K less weight and a 400hp V8, the camaro will definately be the fastest car that I have driven. (Owner of a 78 and 83 camaro)

Here in Hawaii, they closed the race track, so I wont be doing any racing, but just enjoy the pure burst of speed from a dead stop! I think the camaro will take care of that itch for me.

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I actually drive a 2007 BMW X5, V8 with 320 hp. Its an extremely heavy SUV, but can feel the power even pushing around 5000lbs. BMW calls it a tiptronic shift automatic. (6 speed tranny).

With over 1K less weight and a 400hp V8, the camaro will definately be the fastest car that I have driven. (Owner of a 78 and 83 camaro)

Here in Hawaii, they closed the race track, so I wont be doing any racing, but just enjoy the pure burst of speed from a dead stop! I think the camaro will take care of that itch for me.

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I may be way off on this, but I've heard BMW sources some of their transmissions from GM. I read it in a car magazine. I'm pretty sure it was a 6 cylinder BMW though so if you have a 3 series it could be the same trans with different programming. That may be from an older one though.
No you're not, they do... Or at least they did. But I have no idea in what models or which transmissions...
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The camaro will indeed scratch that itch.

So well, that it'll probably tear your skin off and grind you down to the bone, too.....
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I was at a GM drag event last Saturday. Here is a vid and the stats.



The 2010 will hook up better as the rear wheel and tire package will put down substantially more rubber.
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I wanted to test drive the G8 GT and as a few know...that car REALLY impressed me on looks, fit, and finish alone. I didn't drive it cause I was afraid I wouldn't have returned it to the dealership!

But, to fix that problem, BUY A MANUAL!!! Or don't tap shift. But buy a manual....hehe ....much better anyway.
Wait, i talked to a dealer 3 or 4 months ago and they said that i couldn't get the G8 in a manual, and there were not any plans to have one in it anytime soon, was he another idiot dealer or am i reading that wrong?
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Wait, i talked to a dealer 3 or 4 months ago and they said that i couldn't get the G8 in a manual, and there were not any plans to have one in it anytime soon, was he another idiot dealer or am i reading that wrong?
When the GXP G8 comes out it will be offered in Manual...

But that wont come out for another year or so.
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my dad has a 911 4S with tiptronic, and i LOVE driving that car. not only is it faster than a manual, but it just feels cleaner, the car runs smoother, and if your in traffic, the car does the work for you.

one of the reasons im getting on the TapShift case is because if its not a good functional tool , why is it in the car?
My dad has the same car lol. Its a 2003 - seal gray and I freaking love it. The tiptronic works great.
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