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Old 02-23-2010, 01:37 AM   #126
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Make an 18" wheel option on the SS for those of us that understand unspung weight and moment of inertia.

Lose weight

Lose weight

LOSE WEIGHT

Smaller diameter wheels would be a huge help to lighten up the car in the best place. Beside not all of us like 20" bling wheels, so make the 20" an option or a price reducing choice to go back to 18"s.

Track pack option (include the 18" so the car works better) with 3.55 or 3.73. Up valved shocks (bilsteins factory installed?) and increased swaybars rates (not big jump just a refinement). The current SS is a great handling car it kicked the snot out of the Mustang at VIR in C&D (2/2010) but it would wipe up a GT500 with a bit of work.
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Old 02-23-2010, 01:41 AM   #127
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I haven't ordered my camaro yet but I'm on this forum everyday and I know everything that is in these cars so I will share my input...

- Make leather seats an option for the LS, 1LT, 1SS models.
- More ambient lighting throughout the car (dash, footwell, back seat) with customer choice of color (blue, orange)
- I've heard about a lot of paint issues with these cars?
- HUD (This just sounds way cool)
- Make the 4 gauge rally packs an option for non 2LT and 2SS models.
- Shedding a few pounds from this car without changing the style of the car would be awesome!
- That mailslot in the front needs to be functional for the SS models...

I really do love this car and I can't wait to get my hands on it soon.
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Old 02-23-2010, 01:52 AM   #128
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Well I don't have one yet but I will try to be helpful...

1. I would like to see the color of Camaro Dusk available... I think it was berlin blue.

2. The option for navigation in place of the current radio.

3. The option for an upgraded interior because not everyone will want the added weight it may add or care about a fancy interior.

2&3. The nav and upgraded interior like that of the CTS-V. I am more of a fan of that interior than the camaro.

4. Z28 with a LS7 though whatever you put into one will be fine.

5. HUD cause it seems neat.

6. Seems a lot of people have a complaint with the gas cap. My solution is use a gascapless system and make the gas door locking with the button to open it on the inside in the dash.

7. For the automatic, in manual mode have the control in the shift nob by pushing forward or back instead of paddle shifters.

8. Well after thinking about it, it seems as what I would like is like an executive edition z28 with a cadillac style interior and accessories. Luxury muscle car with lots of muscle.

9. Keep doing what you guys and gals are doing cause I like what I am seeing out of GM lately. Thank you for all that you are doing and listening to the consumer.

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Old 02-23-2010, 02:45 AM   #129
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i think thats the z-28 shouod not be supercharged. make it like the ol' 69 was! bigger engine that produces more. also shave some pounds, even brighter headlights, interior lighting, make hood scoop functional
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Old 02-23-2010, 03:16 AM   #130
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not really a fan of the side gill dents just my 2 cents
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Old 02-23-2010, 03:42 AM   #131
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First, thanks for listening GM!

1. Keep the gas door on the passenger side - I like not hitting the pump guard posts when opening the door.
2. Passenger side power seat adj. - All for it.
3. Improved interior lighting and material.
4. Would like to see a functional ram air in the mail slot.
5. ABL across the dash - Yes!
6. Z28 - Should be a great performing car, but should not outclass the SS.
7. Optional factory/dealer install Supercharger with full warrenty for all models would be nice.
8. LS6/7/X Engine upgrade options would also be nice.
9. Would like to see an option to disable the skip shift on the M6 tranny.
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Old 02-23-2010, 04:17 AM   #132
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the only thing that would make me get another camaro is a keyless system like the corvette, don't really care for HUD, Memory seats or navigation

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1. Keep the gas door on the passenger side - I like not hitting the pump guard posts when opening the door.
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Old 02-23-2010, 04:40 AM   #133
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First of all I would like to thank GM for this car, what a machine!!

The things I would have like to have seen on this and future camaros are..

1. Hideaway headlights
2. Fuel door on top of quarter panel, driver side
3. Heads up display
4. Touch screen stereo
5. Memory seats and mirrors
6. Smaller handbrake handle
7. Cup holders redesigned, they are in the way on manuals.
8. T-Tops
9. The leather strap with the snap that the seat belt runs through has got to be changed, its always coming undone.
10. Headrest that move forward and back, for long trips.

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Old 02-23-2010, 05:16 AM   #134
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I have not purchased my Camaro yet, but I test drove one. I am a designer, and I must say I think the new Camaro is the best looking car I think I have ever seen, and I strongly believe its market appeal potentially goes far, far beyond the current target market!!!!!

When I test drove the Camaro SS, its acceleration and handling blew my mind!!!! I am very excited to purchase an SS and I have the following to share with you:

1. The sun visors seemed way, way too small and flimsy.

2. Climate control is a must

3. Power folding mirrors

4. There should be a sunglass holder like in the Lexus LS 430.

5. The driver door should also have a much larger compartment like on the Lexus LS 430.

6. I thought the inside door handle was weak, and the small, cheap piece of rubber that is removable has got to go.

7. Air conditioned seats would be nice to keep you cool and dry.

8. Much bigger and wider sunroof. The sunroof is tiny like the sun visors. Take a look at the sunroof on the current BMW 6 series, which is much wider and longer.

9. I think you should have made the Camaro an open-air-coupe like on the Camaro Concept and the original 1960s Camaro. Changing this would give the car even better lines, as well as significantly improving visibility and making the car feel more like a convertible when you have the (larger) sunroof open along with all 4 windows rolled down. (As a matter of fact, I think you would be better off making a huge sunroof and open air C-pillar hardtop, than a crappy soft-top." It would also be much safer.)

10. I think the rear-view exterior mirrors should have LED turning signals on the fronts like on a Mercedes to really show oncoming traffic that you are turning, plus it gives the driver much better real-time feedback.

11. I also think the rear-view exterior mirrors should have LED puddle lamps that automagically light up as you approach the car. Once again, check out the Lexus LS 430.

12. Offer an option with powder coated brake calipers that match the color of the exterior of the car, and also offer a standard red option. This just looks high-end and cool.

13. Offer a Hard-top convertible like on the BMW 3 Series. From all the photos of the soft-top convertible it ruins the amazing lines when the top is up. Of course it is the best looking convertible ever made with the top down, but I think it should look just as good with the top up.

14. Get rid of the useless, stupid-looking hand brake!!! This is bad-retro. It should have a foot pedal, or even better, and automagic version.

15. I have to agree, that I think your designers got carried away with making the roof-line a little too low. I think if you raised it an inch or two it would not detract from the beautiful geometry.

On a final note, I want to emphasize I believe one of the most overlooked markets for the Camaro is ironically a more luxury focused buyer. I am going from the Lexus LS 430 to the Camaro and I am used to more attention to detail.

Don't get me wrong, because I think the Camaro is miraculous, I just think there is room for improvement in small details that matter. An example in my mind, is the lamo, tiny Flinstones sunroof in the current Camaro. Make it high-tech Jetson's.

I cannot emphasize how important I think these details are.

For whatever it is worth, after test-driving the new Camaro, the first thought I had, was that I have never been so proud to be an American. I was shocked and still am that I think the coolest, best designed car is the new Camaro. The car just took my breath away, but I noticed some of the details left a great deal to be desired.

I think GM should take more of an Apple Computer approach to design. Make the Camaro so there is zero design compromise. Make is totally state of the art while maintaining the amazing lines and muscle.

I think most people would be willing to pay more money for a better car that they know they are going to be happy with for longer. Once again, like an Apple Computer. I think Americans and international consumers desire more and are willing to pay for it. The Camaro is already such an amazing value proposition, build in more value and people will gladly pay for it.

I think what you do with the Camaro in the next major revision will be the ultimate character defining moment for GM. Don't compromise on ANYTHING. Just look at the detail on a 1959 Cadillac if you want to see what American design and manufacturing can do, then study a 1981 Cadillac Cimarron and see where GM went to hell.

Make the Camaro perfect. The football is on the 5 yard-line, score this touchdown and win the Superbowl of car design with the Camaro!!!!!!!!!

Also, I read every post in this thread, and I was extremely impressed with the feedback from forum members. I was also impressed at how few and consistent the design detail requests were. This is a very good sign!!!

Now go smoke the Mercedes SL, BMW 3 and 6 series convertibles as well as the 911 convertible with the new Camaro convertible!!!!! You are in the lead–keep it!!!!!!
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Old 02-23-2010, 05:48 AM   #135
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:15 AM   #136
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Put me in the happy owner category and I appreciate you giving us at Camaro5 the opportunity to comment. That in itself tells me that GM is changing for the better!

Changes I would like to see:
1) More supportive driver's seat. The side bolsters are fine but I think the lumbar and knee/thigh areas need improvement.

2) How about a lower-weight version of the 1SS package? I see all these options that certain people want to see, but they all add weight to an already bloated vehicle. This is a sports car, it should be lighter.

3) Optional light-weight sport suspension package. I autocross and I could bolt on all sorts of aftermarket parts, but I would appreciate and prefer something from you.

4) Make the SS mail slot functional. I detest fake trim on vehicles, especially those boy-racer skirts, wings, splitters. If it is there, it should serve a purpose. Otherwise, it is just useless swag.

Tell the folks on the assembly line to keep up the great work. They are appreciated and with the huge Toyota recall, I hope they all see their opportunity to shine!
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:22 AM   #137
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HUD
More ambient lighting
Passenger side power seat adjuster
Factory Hurst option
Factory exhaust option
Nav
3.73 Rear axle option
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:27 AM   #138
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I'm a woman driver, so my observations will reflect that...

Lighting: needs some on the mirrors, Homelink buttons and under the hood!
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:36 AM   #139
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well we all know that everyone can't be pleased all of the time,but it seems obvious that there are a few things that most all members want to see changed:
1. abl across dash (and have a kit available to install on the 2010)
2. pwr.pass. seat (my son nor my wife can see over the dash)
3. get rid of some weight (being the engine is alluminum,i do not see why the car weighs so much)
4. and some type of a blind spot indicator in side mirrors
5. do something better with the leather seating (the mustang(oops) has better looking quality interior)
6. more interior lighting
other than these suggestions,the car is awesome,i love it!
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:54 AM   #140
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I Love my car, but here are a few minor things that would help.

1. ABL across the dash
2. Front and rear SS instead of the Bowtie.
3. Underhood Light, it never fail that when you need to jump someone off it is at night, an underhood light would help alot.
4. Offer Factory CHROME rims.
5. Offer FACTORY installation of Header, Exhaust, shifter
6. Revamp rear diffuser on the ground effects kit so that the exhaust is round, not square.
7. Power passenger seat
8. Offer Dovetail Spoiler


With the following and passion of the Camaro fanbase I think it would be neat to offer factory delivery.

I understand that this is a new version, but keep dealership staff updated on service requirements. Camaro 5 knows before the dealership does.


This is one awesome machine, you have done well GM and the Camaro Team, keep up the good work.
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:16 AM   #141
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keep them coming......Alot of great input here....

What makes this trip better is that before customers didn't have thier cars, now since you have had some seat time we get a better insight on what you would like to see....
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:18 AM   #142
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I don't mean for this to come off sounding mean because I love my Camaro but as a 1SS owner, I was more than a little perturbed to find that the model I pre-ordered did not come with door lighting, OR the all important 4 pack gauges. I think all SS models should have this.
Also almost every Camaro owner purchased one because they fell in love with the concept model. I think GM needs to start making future models closer to the concept. That being said, the interior doesn't look anything like the concept model and THAT is part of the driving experience. The speedometer, the 4 pack, the intricate metal work around the manual stick lavished in chrome, is something GM needs to try and deliver to the customers. I would pay anything to upgrade to this interior.
Last but not least, please give us the fascias (front and back) that were on the concept model. Neither the SS or LT have this front or back. Everybody and their mother wants the tail pipes you have on the concept model, please make that happen.

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Old 02-23-2010, 07:29 AM   #143
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A way to turn off the 4cyl mode. Thats about it for me.
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:51 AM   #144
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foldable side mirrors, that way if they are hit they won't just break off.
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:52 AM   #145
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Give more things as options;

Hud optional
Track Pack optional
Navagation optional

I would also like to see GMPP offer tunes that will not void warranties.
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:58 AM   #146
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I'm going to go with cosmetic issues, or some things that look like they were left off, but have the ability to add to the car.

1. All colors of interior trim (RJT interior trim accessory), and splash guards (missing white, green, and the blue colors)
2. Glove box light (you left a hole on the left side to mount a light)
3. Ambient lighting in the dash and footwell lighting (there are stock holes for footwell)
4. Backup sensors with the lights like in the owners manual.
5. Lighted homelink buttons or just a raised bump on one or more of them.
6. The ability to adjust the passenger seat up. (This isn't as big of an issue with me)
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:06 AM   #147
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Understanding Chevy went cheap where ever they could to keep costs down, so keeping that in mind... see below:

...providing another vote for the below recommendations...
- Paint, paint, paint... unbelievable the poor quality/thickness. I have so many chips from just driving around it is ridiculous. It really challenges the 'quality' argument and highlights the 'save money' perception
- Skip-Shift--way too dangerous where it engages now... and inevitably in the middle of a turn intersection... really, forcing 4th gear at 20MPH...you will be at 18 and dropping by the time it is in gear...but the manual warns about low revving motor...so which is it??!! Understand why it is there, but should engage at higher speed to compensate for initial start up and loss of speed during shift. OTHERWISE, we will just hammer the throttle to push through...great idea, keep us in 1st gear longer so we can do just the opposite (waste more gas)...
- Visors---A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY. They are crappy plastic, sit too far back, are way to narrow, and completely useless for the side... UNBELIEVABLE. Why put them in there? Put closer to windshield, one more inch in depth to be useful, and slideable on the post for side protection....so many other manufacturers make this standard.
- Interior quality. Agree there should be full leather option above normal 2SS upgrade..for those who have to have it. Keep carbon fiber looking plastic as standard to keep 2SS pricing competitive...but does the other plastic really need to be like Hasbro kids toys... If it weren't for the muscle and brawny exterior, the interior would scream cheap, cheap, cheap.... Ford has you there, hands down. And I hate Fords. The plastic around the parking brake is so flimsy, its like a bathtub toy! come on...
- Seatbelt...does it really need to choke you? I am 5'9''...so the average across the board for fitting..but that seat belt cuts right into side of my neck, no matter how I adjust the seat..unless I went gangster... Like so many other manufacturers, make the side connection height adjustable.
- Accelerator... the lag from push to action is very noticeable...should be part of QC. Guessing the controllability under 2k RPMs is by design, which is probably smart, but the actual lag/slop in the accelerator should not be part of that.
- Passenger seat upgrade. Understand cost savings again..but even $20k cars have manual seats that slide forward automatically when you pop seat-back forward, and come back to original setting...but not our Camaro. Yes, not many ride in the back, but don't put seats back there if you can't get to them...
--Also, the crappy plastic handle to move the passenger seat fwd/back screams of cheap and in the way.
- Also for passengers...keep dash dimensions same as on driver's side... glove box is lower and farther out so really tight on the knees.
- Drivers seat...the top of the line car does not offer lumbar adjustments, but every foreign manufacturer does? Is that a notable cost savings too?
- Memory settings....the manual states the function is there...but it isn't. Without notches, it is frustrating to reset the adjustments anytime you switch drivers...make memory seats standard for any power seats.
- Does the driver foot room (or lack of) really need to be that tight/claustrophobic? I couldn't imagine being down there with size 10 shoes or larger (most dudes)!
- The headlight knob is invisible no matter where stearing wheel is positioned..you are using the force... to find and adjust..
- Ambient lighting improvement...even separate driver/passenger push button style would improve.
- Underhood lighting...every dude out there should know this... why was it left out to begin with?
- Functional hood vent.. concur. Is there a notable aerodynamic increase without?
- Trimming weight..you bet


So biggest heartaches that make Chevy look cheap: Paint job quality, interior plastic, seat belt layout and 1970's style passenger seat manual adjust.

the others are nice to haves.

As for some gucci type items (nav system, A/C seats, ...) those are nice to have, but should not/not be a standard upgrade to the SS or RS packages. Keeping those trim levels at costs below a Ford/Chrysler equivalent are great marketing points... But allow the options for those who want to go crazy and spend the extra coin.

Lastly (sorry, I know), the leather in there now...great (really impressed with back seats feel), tire/rim combos..great..., suspension/handling...great, exterior design...great, exhaust note, ...OK..., traction control/stabilitrak,...great, HID lighting...awesome.

Sorry for all the bitching... I truly do love this car, minus the paint/visors/seatbelt
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:18 AM   #148
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My requests would be:
bring on the z
bring back the 1LE package, and make it all about weight reduction
don't let the car get "stale" ; make noticable changes every two years ( taillights, front fascia, etc)
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:39 AM   #149
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I don't own a camaro - but I've studied(admired) it on the forum, website, videos, in my brochures beside my bed before I go to bed etc -

Only two things I could say is-

1- Cupholder relocation - I can't see it's current location being ergonomically feasible with a manual shifter - having a big mug of coffee right in the middle of where the forearm is supposed to rest.

2- HUD option - we're in 2010 - it's the "lit computer keyboard" type of idea of "why isn't it mainstream yet?"

....just my.02 from a diehard fan and ultra auto enthusiast.
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:39 AM   #150
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1. Go to a softer look and feel of the dashboard if it does not raise costs.
2. Better interior lighting for back seat area.
3. Keep fuel door on passenger side.
4. Passenger seat needs to adjust like the drivers side does.
5. Hard top convertible.
6. Under dash lighting.
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