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Old 02-27-2010, 11:53 AM   #1
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Wow just was reading all of the suspention topics, here is my question, please help!!

I will do the following upgrades to my car,

Long tube headers
full exhaust, NO cats
Cold air intake
Custom tune.
Coilovers, Mostly for the drop of a correct ride hight.

My wheels and tires will remain the same.

I am just a daily driver, on the street, I like to hit the gas once in a while, I take the on and off ramps as fast as I can. I do not even do track days.I am use to playing with M3s and motorcycles.

That Being said,

What suspention to buy??
Would a guy like me even be able to notice??

Any informating and why to buy would be great.

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Old 02-27-2010, 12:44 PM   #2
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Hi Bill, I sent you a PM. Its a great idea to get end-user opinions on suspension.
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Old 02-27-2010, 01:01 PM   #3
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Old 02-27-2010, 01:15 PM   #4
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If you are just planning on keeping a street car and you're not looking into agressive suspensions or track days then a nice spring and shock combo would do you well. Swaybars wouldn't hurt either.

There are a couple different options out there right now with Hotchkis, Pfadt etc.

A Hotchkis spring and swaybars set paired with a nice set of dampers/shocks would provide solid handling, while providing streetable comfort.

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Old 02-27-2010, 05:26 PM   #5
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I upgraded my suspension.. you WILL absolutely notice a difference!

coils will lower the car at least 1".
Poly bushings will improve performance immensely!
you will want to upgrade the carrier bushings for sure.
Swaybars are a must as well.
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Old 02-27-2010, 05:59 PM   #6
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I am the same as you as far as the street goes. I will be tracking mine though. But I haven't yet and YES, there is a difference. Espec. when you really push it.
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:11 PM   #7
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Old 02-28-2010, 08:41 AM   #8
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Old 02-28-2010, 08:59 AM   #9
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If your looking for a drastic improvement along with adjustability, then the Xa Coilovers from Pedders would be a great start.

Replacing some of the bushings would also be a big help, and i'd consider doing one of the Pedders Street kits, they are geared towards a daily driven car that doesn't see track time.

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Old 02-28-2010, 09:46 AM   #10
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I added Eibach sway bars and their 1" lowering springs to mine and you can definitely tell the difference in the handling. With that said, I plan to upgrade to a coil-over system in the future because I've read that they offer improved handling without as much sacrifice to the ride comfort. After dropping mine I've noticed that I feel EVERY bump in the road. My car is a DD and will only be tracked at the most a couple times a year. Pedders, Eibach and Pfadt, if you see my post, please send me a price on a coil-over system that you think would fit my needs.

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Old 02-28-2010, 10:15 AM   #11
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I prefer to keep things in public, i'm not big on secrets private deals. I do the best that i can for everyone, whether on the phone, internet, or email. Nothing wrong with the other way, just not my style.

With that said our coilovers are available right now, in very limited supply.
Here is the link to our Camaro Suspension Section with our Coilovers, also our Bushings, and Sway Bars.

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Old 02-28-2010, 10:27 AM   #12
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Old 02-28-2010, 10:31 AM   #13
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Old 02-28-2010, 11:32 AM   #14
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There are tons of options. But the first thing I would recommend is to spend a couple of minutes understanding your suspension. Pedders has put together an excellent written and visual description of just about everything related to your suspension. Having a basic understanding is powerful knowledge and will greatly assist you in your decisions as to what to get. It is a very easy read


I think the processes of suspension upgrades should brake down into 5 areas:

1. Dropping and how low: Lots of discussions on this. We have performed some serious testing on the OE SS dampers. We feel the OE struts can only support a slightly larger drop than 1 inch effectively. Dropping it lower than this should be done with adjustable coil overs.

2. Eliminate unwanted movement. There is a huge amount of movement in the majority of the OE bushings. We feel the 3 primary bushings to consider are:
a. fluid filled front radius rod bushings
b. rear cradle or subframe bushings. The oe units allow approx 1/2 inch of movement of the rear cradle in all directions.
c. rear differential bushings allow a huge amount of diff movement.

3. Alignment adjustability not just to GM specs, but to optimum specs. Just getting adjustments within OE specs is not good enough to maximize on your aligment enhancements. Having the ability to adjust front caster, plus adding 1 to 1.25 degrees of caster is a great thing. Having the ability to fulling adjust rear cambers and toes when Camaros are dropped, can only be done with our Pedders alignment enhancement kits.

4. Sway bars are a major enhancement that should be done after the suspension is stabilized and you are at the height where you want it. I understand this is not always the case. But in terms of maximizing true affectiveness, it is the last thing to do. Sway bar choices are signficant for the Camaro. You should read the thread on Sway Bar understanding, to assist you in your choices.

5. Budget is almost never mentioned when inquiries are made about upgrades. This is a very important personal function that can seriously affect the direction the recommendations will take you. It is true the more you do on suspension, the greater the improvement.

Our new Pedders Store has simplified the recommendations and areas of driving enhancement. Catagories are:
1. Street
2. Track or Aggressive driving
3. Drag racing.

In each of them, there are Good, better, best options for you.

Here are 2 systems for Better and Best for street applications:

Better Street Recommendation

CAMARO STREET II

Camaro Street II

Full Package Retail of $1225.39

The Street II includes all the bits in the Street I and adds our drop kit 1 coils. Since the Camaro arrives sitting rather tall, we conservatively drop the ride height with slightly higher coils rates. You bought the Camaro as a performance sedan and not to be a rock hard suitable only for the track toy. Everything we make for the Camaro keeps that in mind. It should drive like a European Coupe that cost three times as much -- but keep the passenger compartment comfortable for the longest trip. You'll find our Pedders Drop Performance SportsRyder springs, and bushed Camaro to do that and more. Ride quality is more composed than OE and the handling is excellent. Drop Kit 1 below gives your Camaro a moderately aggressive flat look, while still allowing your OE struts to have enough travel to be functional. Drop kit 1 (Using the optional 220035 rear coils) gives your Camaro a slightly raked look which can also allow more space for larger wheels and tires. For a traditional Muscle car look use coil 220035


Retail $1,041.58 EA

Item Code Description Qty Availability
220032 Camaro Front Lowering Coils 2
220033 Camaro Rear Lowering Coils 2
EP1167 Zeta Differential Mounts 1
EP1200 Camaro Rear Sub Frame Insert 1
EP6577 Camaro Front Radius Rod Bush 1
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit 1


BEST STREET UPGRADE

APPLICATION


CAMARO STREET XA

Camaro Street Xa

Full Package Retail of $2304.86

This is a value Package with a kick. The new state of the art Pedders eXtreme Xa coil Overs are revolutionizing the auto community. The Mono tube 30 way adjustability will give you the ultimate in desired ride; a flexible ride. Maximum comfort when you want, to killer control when you have to show the world you are on top of your game. This package will include the critical bushings of Street 1. Plus our alignment package will give you full alignment extended alignment capabilities front and rear and adds 1 to 1.25 degrees of positive front caster!


Retail $1,959.13 EA

Item Code Description Qty Availability
160086 Camaro Ext Xa Adjust Coilover 1
EP1167 Zeta Differential Mounts 1
EP1200 Camaro Rear Sub Frame Insert 1
EP6578 Camaro Fnt Radius Rod bush ins 1
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit 1




So to "notch it up", adding our Pedders SolutionB sway bar kit will seriously enhance your Camaro and assist the component systems that are listed above. Our sway bar kits include adjustable end links, that are oversized, including the balljoints on both ends of the link. This is particularly important for the front sway bar because adjusting the ride height, significantly changes the angle of the sway bar to the chassis. The further you get away from the bar arms being parallel, the less effective the bar will become.

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Old 03-02-2010, 04:43 PM   #15
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I will do the following upgrades to my car,


What suspension to buy??
Would a guy like me even be able to notice??

Any information and why to buy would be great.

Thanks for your time,
Bill Baranowski
Bill - if you're into bikes, then you will absolutely notice an upgrade to your stock Camaro suspension. Even just swaybars will make your freeways entrances and exits noticeably more stable (and fun). The stock 2010 Camaro has alot of room for suspension improvement (I'm sure all the manufacturers here can agree on that).

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Old 03-03-2010, 07:01 AM   #16
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Thank you ALL for the information, I have been reading and reading and reading, not only here but everywhere I can get information on suspention. My head is turning around and around.

Thank you for the help,
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Old 03-03-2010, 06:29 PM   #17
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well... you could hold out for the C5Fest and go for a ride in some of the cars already set up with the upgraded suspensions. You could comparison shop in person...

although Pedders and PFadt are at the top.

It's a matter of what you want to spend and how you plan to use it...
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