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Old 03-03-2010, 12:51 PM   #1
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JBA short headers or Injen CAI?

Well basically I am going to be ordering one of thoose today. So what do you guys think, I am already waiting for my MRT ver 2.0 to get here. I am leaning far towards headers.
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:56 PM   #2
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I would recommend you ask scrming though I have a feeling that it is more of a personal choice. BTW the MRT v2 exhaust is AWESOME!!! I heard if you cut the resonators off that it sounds even better!
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Well basically I am going to be ordering one of thoose today. So what do you guys think, I am already waiting for my MRT ver 2.0 to get here. I am leaning far towards headers.
I love the MRT / JBA combo!

I will say though that today for some reason I got the stupid trouble code... I'm not worried.. guess I just have to have Vince turn off the rear o2s...
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I would recommend you ask scrming though I have a feeling that it is more of a personal choice. BTW the MRT v2 exhaust is AWESOME!!! I heard if you cut the resonators off that it sounds even better!
hadn't heard that about losing the resonators... ???
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:22 PM   #5
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Combine the shorties and the exhaust first. They are proven as a combo already. We have no idea what that intake is going to do yet. I would wait for scrming, mmray or a couple other guys who install the injen first.
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One of the guys here has the mrt v2 on his lt and he stated he cut off the resonators....sounds stronger than mine, lol
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One of the guys here has the mrt v2 on his lt and he stated he cut off the resonators....sounds stronger than mine, lol
Anyone got a vid or sound file of this sucker with the resonators cut off?
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Old 03-03-2010, 02:41 PM   #8
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I would love to hear it with the resonators cut off.

I would like to know if I should or not, before I get the installation.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:55 PM   #9
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Combine the shorties and the exhaust first. They are proven as a combo already. We have no idea what that intake is going to do yet. I would wait for scrming, mmray or a couple other guys who install the injen first.
I may be behind on my thread reading, but can we say that the shorties are "proven". I thought that the shorties don't result in gains even with a tune. Shorties would be just for sound, right?
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I may be behind on my thread reading, but can we say that the shorties are "proven". I thought that the shorties don't result in gains even with a tune. Shorties would be just for sound, right?
Yep sound. I don't think of performance when it comes to those. Scrming has been rocking them for a while. He will have better info on them. All I know is that they sound mean.
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I may be behind on my thread reading, but can we say that the shorties are "proven". I thought that the shorties don't result in gains even with a tune. Shorties would be just for sound, right?
mrray13 seen like 5 RWHP / 8 RWTQ IIRC... so he did see some gains... while I didn't see anything really noticeable on the dyno, i did see slight improvment in my 0-time... But... for me it was more about the sound... LOL
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Old 03-03-2010, 05:16 PM   #12
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Well after a talk with a salesman at chevy dealership,(who owns an SS with a bunch of mods and has dyno'd at almost 500hp,and his actually on Camaro5 himself), he showed me a package that chevy has just released, states a 327hp v6 all that is added is a SLP exhaust,headers, and a Blackwing CAI, tuned, so I mean if the false advertising rule is held up here, that is pretty impressive to me, BUT it didn't say anything about RWHP. But hopefully once I have everything installed any dyno'd, I will be able to sum up all these questions. But what I would really like to know is WHAT DOES IS SOUND LIKE WHEN THE RESONATORS ARE CUT OFF? and is it worth it.
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Old 03-03-2010, 05:23 PM   #13
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Well after a talk with a salesman at chevy dealership,(who owns an SS with a bunch of mods and has dyno'd at almost 500hp,and his actually on Camaro5 himself), he showed me a package that chevy has just released, states a 327hp v6 all that is added is a SLP exhaust,headers, and a Blackwing CAI, tuned, so I mean if the false advertising rule is held up here, that is pretty impressive to me, BUT it didn't say anything about RWHP. But hopefully once I have everything installed any dyno'd, I will be able to sum up all these questions. But what I would really like to know is WHAT DOES IS SOUND LIKE WHEN THE RESONATORS ARE CUT OFF? and is it worth it.
The performance upgrades for the SLP v6 ZL327 are the intake tube and filter, their axle back exhaust and a non adjustable tune.

http://slpcamaro.com/zl-models/zl327/
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Looking at the package, I don't see anything about headers. Based on what we have seen so far, I seriously doubt a high-flow filter/intake tube, an axle back, and a tune are going to get you 23 HP over stock. Even if it were true, $6K for maybe 15-20 rwhp is crazy! Looks like you would be mostly paying for stickers and floor mats. Doesn't look like they are selling the tune separate yet, so I am betting it is not available yet.
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Old 03-03-2010, 05:55 PM   #15
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Thanks for showing me up, hahah
And im going to go and admit right now, I don't know why I wrote headers, I guess I wasn't really thinkin and I got into the flow of what I want to do to my car for a sec, but i don't know, but anyway how does just those little adjustments add 23hp? Little fishy to me. But again, I could be wrong.
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Old 03-03-2010, 05:58 PM   #16
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Looks like you would be mostly paying for stickers and floor mats..
Very well said.
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I may be behind on my thread reading, but can we say that the shorties are "proven". I thought that the shorties don't result in gains even with a tune. Shorties would be just for sound, right?
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mrray13 seen like 5 RWHP / 8 RWTQ IIRC... so he did see some gains... while I didn't see anything really noticeable on the dyno, i did see slight improvment in my 0-time... But... for me it was more about the sound... LOL

Yep, I saw just over 5rwhp and 8rwtq gain after installingthe JBA shory headers. This after running them a few weeks after install. Which, for shorty headers, is right about inline with what one could/should expect.

Now I don't have the MRT v2, I have Flowmaster Super 44s, don't know how much of a difference that made/makes.

So IMHO, they do indeed help in performance and they for sure guarantee a better sound!!
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:12 PM   #18
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Yep, I saw just over 5rwhp and 8rwtq gain after installingthe JBA shory headers. This after running them a few weeks after install. Which, for shorty headers, is right about inline with what one could/should expect.

Now I don't have the MRT v2, I have Flowmaster Super 44s, don't know how much of a difference that made/makes.

So IMHO, they do indeed help in performance and they for sure guarantee a better sound!!

I wonder if having the Flowmaster super 44 had anything to do with it.
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Little if anything I would think. I'm sure MRT v2 is as free flowing as the FLowmasters, so I'm sure one would see very similar numbers. Again, I could be wrong, lol...but I can't see headers producing a number with one muffler, and not another.
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yeh thats true, Also I got another question for all you guys, do you think you would see more performance from a CAI or Headers? NOT sound wise.
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Headers, unless you tune the CAI. Then again, is 5rwhp enough to say one will notice it at the track??
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Headers, unless you tune the CAI. Then again, is 5rwhp enough to say one will notice it at the track??
Yeh that is true, and 5 rwhp is noticeable, BUT, how come not everyone is seeing that horse power gain? Have you done anything else to it like at all.
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Same mods as scrming at that time, only difference is location of the IAT relocation and the Flowmasters vs the MRT exhaust.
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Yeh that is true, and 5 rwhp is noticeable, BUT, how come not everyone is seeing that horse power gain? Have you done anything else to it like at all.
cars differ... dynos differ... dyno numbers are 100% accurate... as Justin points out dynos are not the end all to be all... Like I pointed out in the other thread... i can see a 7 RWHP swing just between pulls...
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cars differ... dynos differ... dyno numbers are 100% accurate... as Justin points out dynos are not the end all to be all... Like I pointed out in the other thread... i can see a 7 RWHP swing just between pulls...
Oh I guess I didn't read those other threads, just throwing it out there what would you say the overall hp gain would be not RWHP.
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