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Old 03-04-2010, 01:40 PM   #1
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predator VS. vectormotor

What are the pros and cons to either tune? Is one better than the other or is it just a matter of preference. NO BASHING PLZ.
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:58 PM   #2
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Predator/Trinity allows you to restore your original stock tune at any time, allowing you to take your car in for dealer service work and not have any warranty issues, since it's tune flash is undetectable.

Predator/Trinity allows you to make changes/adjustments to your tune yourself, as you add/change mods to your vehicle.

Predator/Trinity allows you to get and store up to 5 custom tunes in it, so you could have different tunes for different setups if you wanted, and switch from one tune to another at any time.

Predator/Trinity allows you to do extensive data logging, trouble code scanning, and code clearing.

Trinity has a virtual drag tree performance monitor.
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:49 PM   #3
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Trinity Pros:

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accepts two (2) 0-5V analog inputs

*supports hundreds of vehicles in one part number (not just GM!)

*can calculate 0-60, 0-100, 1/8th and 1/4 mile times, along with MPH and reaction time off the drag tree if you desire

*will be expanded in the future to support serial inputs and SD card support

*will allow you to save multiple datalogs for HOURS of logging

*is internet updateable

*has a full color, touch screen

*has a built in, user adjustable, LED shift light

*allows user to configure multiple LED gauge alarms
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:55 PM   #4
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Had them both....

Started with the Predator. Then went to the Vectormotorsports tune and didn't look back. The Vector tune is custom to YOUR mods, and if needed, you can return to the stock tune in 5 minutes... Datalogging ability, FREE updates to your tune if you add mods down the road.... Want to add a Supercharger? Tune is free...

Not to mention, if you have the A6 trans, the stage 2 TCM tune is out of this world....
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:11 PM   #5
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Had them both....

Started with the Predator. Then went to the Vectormotorsports tune and didn't look back. The Vector tune is custom to YOUR mods, and if needed, you can return to the stock tune in 5 minutes... Datalogging ability, FREE updates to your tune if you add mods down the road.... Want to add a Supercharger? Tune is free...

Not to mention, if you have the A6 trans, the stage 2 TCM tune is out of this world....
You do know the Predator and Trinity support custom tuning as well, right?

Vortech, ProCharger, Kenne Bell, Turbonetics, all use CMR to create tunes for their various kits and ship them with a Predator for plug and play performance.

TCM is on the way too....
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:13 PM   #6
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Predator/Trinity allows you to restore your original stock tune at any time, allowing you to take your car in for dealer service work and not have any warranty issues, since it's tune flash is undetectable.

Predator/Trinity allows you to make changes/adjustments to your tune yourself, as you add/change mods to your vehicle.

Predator/Trinity allows you to get and store up to 5 custom tunes in it, so you could have different tunes for different setups if you wanted, and switch from one tune to another at any time.

Predator/Trinity allows you to do extensive data logging, trouble code scanning, and code clearing.

Trinity has a virtual drag tree performance monitor.
So if I tune with the Predator and need to go back to stock for warranty issue's the dealer wont see it?
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:18 PM   #7
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correct... you do the "restore original backup" process, and you're good to go...
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:22 PM   #8
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You do know the Predator and Trinity support custom tuning as well, right?

Vortech, ProCharger, Kenne Bell, Turbonetics, all use CMR to create tunes for their various kits and ship them with a Predator for plug and play performance.

TCM is on the way too....

Yes, I am well aware of that. I went this route when I had my Procharged Challenger... However, the custom tune is not included, and the cost should be added to the original cost of the Predator/Trinity... that, along with the TCM support from Vector, made the Vector much more cost effective....
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We have unparalleled transmission support right now. Check the G8 forums, same transmission & same calibration and over 600 under our belt.

With our system you can return to stock any time you want. Also, you can have UNLIMITED calibrations for your car. Updates are free for as long as you own your car.

I saved the best for last, we have specific CAI calibrations for most every CAI on the market. There is no such thing as a generic CAI calibration. You tell us the CAI you have and we have a specific calibration for that exact one. Add headers, we have a specific calibration for ARH, Stainless Works & Kooks also. Decide to add one of our cam packages, we have a specific calibration for those also.

You can log data and check and clear codes. We have done all of the work for you through 100's of hours of dyno testing on multiple vehicles with most every combination of mods you can think of. This is all we do, ONLY late model GM vehicles. Period.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:11 PM   #10
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correct... you do the "restore original backup" process, and you're good to go...
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:15 PM   #11
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Kirk are you able to do the simple things like change the cal for wheel size, raise the rev limiter, and speed limiter?
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Old 03-05-2010, 08:44 AM   #12
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I would be interested to learning more about the data logging capabilities of both the Trinity and Vector. I have a Vector tune on my L99 and I like the added performance. However, speaking as a complete newbie, I think the tune may benefit from some data logging and personized adjustments.

A data logger would provide better understanding of tuning. It also seems like monitoring of knock sensing could help screen out the bad gas stations around home. I've been considering a Trinity just for logging but the number of portable gadgets tend to add up. An alternative long term approach might be a carputer with the tuner and logging installed. The VCM scanner is my first choice so far.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:03 AM   #13
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Kirk are you able to do the simple things like change the cal for wheel size, raise the rev limiter, and speed limiter?
Our tunes come with the RPM limiter optimized and the top speed limiter raised. We can change for wheel size also.

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I would be interested to learning more about the data logging capabilities of both the Trinity and Vector. I have a Vector tune on my L99 and I like the added performance. However, speaking as a complete newbie, I think the tune may benefit from some data logging and personized adjustments.

A data logger would provide better understanding of tuning. It also seems like monitoring of knock sensing could help screen out the bad gas stations around home. I've been considering a Trinity just for logging but the number of portable gadgets tend to add up. An alternative long term approach might be a carputer with the tuner and logging installed. The VCM scanner is my first choice so far.
We have a high speed scanner built into our software. You can read engine parameters and check and clear codes. If you have Excel on your computer the data log will automatically start a macro and import itself into an easy to read format.
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Old 03-05-2010, 02:31 PM   #14
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vectormotor,what do you set shift points at on stock L99? that would be my concern if it shifts to early or to late.
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vectormotor,what do you set shift points at on stock L99? that would be my concern if it shifts to early or to late.
200 RPM over stock. We have found this to be the best for performance.
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Old 03-05-2010, 04:13 PM   #16
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Kirk and Mike,

Do both of your products support correcting the speedo for rear gears? I assume it's the same "change" as tire size. I'm close to choosing a tuner and have 3:73s on order with LTs coming next.

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Kirk and Mike,

Do both of your products support correcting the speedo for rear gears? I assume it's the same "change" as tire size. I'm close to choosing a tuner and have 3:73s on order with LTs coming next.

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We can correct the speedometer for different gears or tire size. We have specific calibrations for Kooks, ARH & Stainless Works headers.
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We can correct the speedometer for different gears or tire size. We have specific calibrations for Kooks, ARH & Stainless Works headers.
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Slightly off topic...

Kirk, How about your VMS hardware vs lets say HP Tuners std, how do they compare?
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Well.. I'll be looking for a tune pretty soon also .. I have a L99 .. so let me get this straight .. With the Predator I will not be able to do the TCM for the Automatic? and with the Vectormotorsports I will not get the Data logging (I do have a laptop with Excel)? .. I really would like both!

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Slightly off topic...

Kirk, How about your VMS hardware vs lets say HP Tuners std, how do they compare?
Hardware wise they are very similar.

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Well.. I'll be looking for a tune pretty soon also .. I have a L99 .. so let me get this straight .. With the Predator I will not be able to do the TCM for the Automatic? and with the Vectormotorsports I will not get the Data logging (I do have a laptop with Excel)? .. I really would like both!
We support the TCM AND data logging. Our data logger opens Excel automatically (if you have Excel) if not you can play the log back in the program itself.
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We have unparalleled transmission support right now. Check the G8 forums, same transmission & same calibration and over 600 under our belt.

With our system you can return to stock any time you want. Also, you can have UNLIMITED calibrations for your car. Updates are free for as long as you own your car.

I saved the best for last, we have specific CAI calibrations for most every CAI on the market. There is no such thing as a generic CAI calibration. You tell us the CAI you have and we have a specific calibration for that exact one. Add headers, we have a specific calibration for ARH, Stainless Works & Kooks also. Decide to add one of our cam packages, we have a specific calibration for those also.

You can log data and check and clear codes. We have done all of the work for you through 100's of hours of dyno testing on multiple vehicles with most every combination of mods you can think of. This is all we do, ONLY late model GM vehicles. Period.
I'd like to consider your option. Seems like a more than fair deal.

I have Thorley LT's and Catback and a RotaFab CAI.....I'm in the middle of deciding on one of a few cams that aren't Vector MS branded.

I'll still be able to get updates and tweaks to my tune if I were to go with a Vector MS tune?? Even if my aftermarket add-ons are other brands?

For the life of my car...???

Why isn't everyone jumping on this??? Seems too good to be true.

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I'd like to consider your option. Seems like a more than fair deal.

I have Thorley LT's and Catback and a RotaFab CAI.....I'm in the middle of deciding on one of a few cams that aren't Vector MS branded.

I'll still be able to get updates and tweaks to my tune if I were to go with a Vector MS tune?? Even if my aftermarket add-ons are other brands?

For the life of my car...???

Why isn't everyone jumping on this??? Seems too good to be true.

-Ivan
You may want to wait on a cam as we are adding 2 more grinds to our line-up. Our current Stage 1 cam just gained 70 HP & 68 Lb/Tq at 5500 RPM and gained 95 HP and 76 Lb/Tq at 6500. This was on two different Camaros last week.

We do support modifications from other vendors also. And yes, for as long as you own your car.

If you purchase a cam kit from us we will have a specific calibration for that unique set-up. By mid this week we are going to put all of our Camaro Packages on sale with the correct calibration included for each of them.

Your right, why isn't everyone jumping on this. We have sold almost 100 specific mod tunes to 2010 Camaro owners.
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Why isn't everyone jumping on this???



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I jumped on it and no regrets. The Vector Motorsports team has great support. I started with a CAI and now adding Kooks. Kirk had a new tune to me for the headers in no time. Also, good news about datalogging capabilities. I'll check that out as soon as I get some free time and dry weather.

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I had the pleasure of meeting Kirk and visiting the shop last Saturday. Top notch guys, with a top notch shop. I would highly recommend them for any tuning need.
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