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Old 10-02-2008, 04:49 PM   #151
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[QUOTE=SimC33;144558]So do I have to send him a down payment for the car or is this just a call and say, "Hi I wanna pre-order a camaro and heres what I want so far...(insert options), can I be placed on your list?"


Every dealer is different, but most will want a deposit before they order a car for you or even place you on the list.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:12 PM   #152
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Keep in mind, the dealerships aren't being told much....And there are a select few that have been on these fourms for over a year, digging for answers. Others don't even know this forum is here - nor are they watching the GM sites for any Camaro news content. they have cobalts, impala's, malibu's that are selling right now.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:19 PM   #153
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Keep in mind, the dealerships aren't being told much....And there are a select few that have been on these fourms for over a year, digging for answers. Others don't even know this forum is here - nor are they watching the GM sites for any Camaro news content. they have cobalts, impala's, malibu's that are selling right now.
I'm sure that's true.

But in these perilous economic times, smart dealers should doing everything they can to get an edge on the competition.

Knowledge of product is one way to gain an edge, especially when selling to a passionate base of buyers.

This is an opportunity for dealers to make some much-needed money. I'm surprised to hear of so many shining it on.
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:23 AM   #154
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Scotty, I qualify for GMS pricing. Will you guys honor that for a new order?
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Old 10-03-2008, 11:16 AM   #155
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Scotty, I qualify for GMS pricing. Will you guys honor that for a new order?
If Chevy offers it, yes. :flag2:
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Old 10-03-2008, 11:27 AM   #156
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:17 PM   #157
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Delay in release of Convertible

I found this while searching the web and thought some members who are holding-out for a convertable would want to know. (From Tom Henry Chevrolet website)

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Automotive News reported some weeks ago that the fifth-generation Camaro Convertible, originally due to go on sale in the Winter of 2010/2011 as a 2011 model, would probably be delayed and end-up a 2012.

GM's spokesperson on things Camaro, Vince Muniga, told the Camaro Homepage that the introduction of the Convertible has, indeed been delayed. Muniga stated further that the plan now is to produce a limited number of 2011 Camaro Convertibles in the late Winter and early Spring of '11. These will go on sale in Q2 that year.

Why the delay?



Only those who've spent the last couple of years in a galaxy far, far away are unaware that General Motors–most of the auto industry, for that matter–is having a tough time. Struggling to raise cash, retooling to make more Cobalts, improving fuel economy of existing powertrains, an incredible amount of engineering resources and capital investment going into the Chevy Volt, cost cutting and head-count reductions are the main goals right now.

For the Camaro Convertible development, resources to get the job done in time to make the original introduction date were just not available. So, convertible fans, take a deep breath, it'll be just a little longer. On the upside, those lucky enough to buy an 2011 Convertible will have a pretty rare car.

Six not Four

We hear vicious rumors about a four-cylinder engine for the Camaro. The obvious candidate is the "LNF", a 260-hp, turbocharged, direct-injected, 2-liter Ecotec used in the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice roadsters, in the Cobalt SS and the HHR SS. The knee-jerk reaction to this idea by those wanting a Camaro capable of better fuel economy than even the already-announced base V6 might be, "Well...260 horsepower is ok as long as it gets great mileage."



Beware knee-jerk reactions.

According to a statement Vince Muniga gave us, "There are no plans to offer a four cylinder engine in the new Camaro. Our engine choices remain a V6 and a V8."

There are some good reasons for that. Currently, all the cars which use the LNF are at least 460 pounds and as much as 770 pounds lighter than the lightest 2010 base model.

A turbocharged four, even one with 260 hp and 260 lbs/ft from 2000-5250 rpm, is going to work hard in a car that weighs 3740 lbs. Even the most conservative of drivers in all but part throttle cruising at modest speeds on level ground is going to be "into the turbo" a lot of the time and will negate any fuel economy advantage over the base V6 already announced.

Bottom line: no four-banger in a Camaro.

Thank you Lord!

LS3 vs L99: The Major Differences

Some who have read our article on the LS3 V8 (click here to read that article) have wondered about the major differences between the LS3, to be used in six-speed manual SSes, and the L99, to be used in six-speed automatic SSes, besides slightly less power (400hp vs 422) and torque (395 lbs/ft vs 408) and the addition of GM's cylinder deactivation system, Active Fuel Management (AFM).

We put that question to GM Powertrain's hard-working Communications rep., Tom Read. He told us that the L99 camshaft is different having a little less duration and a little less lift, both of which give the engine a smoother idle.



The L99 V8, a slightly detuned version of the manual trans LS3, has a "cam phaser", the device on the front of this Gen 4 camshaft. It's controlled by the engine computer and changes the phasing of the valve events to the movement of the piston. Changing the valve opening and closing in relation to piston movement can improve fuel economy at light loads.
Image: GM Powertrain.



The cam phaser is located inside the front cover, ahead of the timing chain and slightly increases the overall length of the engine. Image: GM Powertrain.


Read told us the L99, also, has a cam phaser and, to get the additional piston-to-valve clearance required when cam phasing changes, the pistons are different parts having valve reliefs machined into their tops. The reliefs lower the compression ratio to 10.4:1. Lastly, the L99 PCV system is different having its oil separators in the valve covers rather than down in the valley like the LS3.

What Happened to the Blower?

A while back there was talk about the Camaro SS having an optional, supercharged engine. The candidate was to have been a slightly different version of the 550-hp LSA used in the '09 Cadillac CTS-V which, in turn, is a somewhat less aggressive brother of the 632-hp LS9 in the '09 Corvette ZR1.

Sadly, skyrocketing gas prices and GM's financial struggles left an LSA Camaro SS DOA. Chevrolet weighed the advantages and disadvantages of a 550-hp Camaro which would also have a "gas guzzler" tax surcharge on an MSRP already inflated by the supercharged engine, decided discretion was the better part of valor and killed the LSA Camaro project. The fact that by the car's projected on-sale date later this Winter, the nation will be smack dab in the middle of a recession will, no doubt, lend additional credibility to that decision.

As for the few buyers who can afford a 500+hp supercharged engine? Can you say "aftermarket"?
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:38 PM   #159
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Great article SSOne!

And, everything on there sounds 100% correct!...but, that's what you get from Tom Henry!!!
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Old 10-09-2008, 06:28 PM   #160
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Just got the call, i will also be able to put in my order on the 13th. first on the list baby, i knew it would pay off to call the dealership 6 months ago.
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Old 10-09-2008, 06:36 PM   #161
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Just got the call, i will also be able to put in my order on the 13th. first on the list baby, i knew it would pay off to call the dealership 6 months ago.
Are you buying in the US, or Canada?
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Old 10-09-2008, 08:05 PM   #162
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Just got the call, i will also be able to put in my order on the 13th. first on the list baby, i knew it would pay off to call the dealership 6 months ago.
Anybody can put in an order on the 13th. You don't have to be on a list.
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Old 10-09-2008, 08:31 PM   #163
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i think he was referring to being first on his dealers list
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1st on dealers list, im in canada. And i meant the 16th.
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Old 10-10-2008, 07:03 AM   #165
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The 16th of December that is, he is Canadian.
I was at my dealer again last night and left them a copy of the "Initial Ordering Workbook".
lol They appreciate me keeping them up to Date.
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Old 10-10-2008, 04:55 PM   #166
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Nope 16th of this month I will be able to order.
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Nope 16th of this month I will be able to order.
Confirmed Logan ! I just returned from my dealer, and left my deposit. They have an IDL on the 16th, and they claim they will be able to put the order in the system on that day.
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Old 10-11-2008, 09:18 AM   #168
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Hmmm..back to my dealer to update them again.
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Old 10-11-2008, 11:37 AM   #169
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You know I find it quite interesting that there are some dealers that have know idea what is going on with the new camaro. A friend just wrote me asking me if I knew any thing about ordering and release dates and so forth. I told him he needs to take him business and money to a whole new dealer location. Obviously that dealer ether does not give a crap about the car or possible clientele associated with that car and that he needs to cut his losses. Second that the dealer was probably to incompetent to keep up with new products coming out. So there you have it. Hell I think I know more about the car than he does. Plus I kill things for a living. Hey maybe I could become a sales representative for GM. Placing both of my qualification up for customers to see. That would be one hell of a sales incentive
Thats funny you mentioned that. I went to a chevy dealership yesterday to purchase a car for my girlfriend and mentioned about getting a camaro and asking what information they had on the camaro. They told me to go to the www.chevy.com website for info on the camaro since its too early because the camaro wont come out until 2010. They looked at me kinda funny when I said we can put in our orders on monday and first camaro comes out early next year vice 2010. When I told them that, he laughed at me and said "its called a 2010 camaro, NOT a 2009 camaro". Guess it takes a while to get current information to the chevy dealerships overseas here in Hawaii. Glad im ordering mine from Scotty. Guess I better sit down and review the option packages before monday.

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Thats funny you mentioned that. I went to a chevy dealership yesterday to purchase a car for my girlfriend and mentioned about getting a camaro and asking what information they had on the camaro. They told me to go to the www.chevy.com website for info on the camaro since its too early because the camaro wont come out until 2010. They looked at me kinda funny when I said we can put in our orders on monday and first camaro comes out early next year vice 2010. When I told them that, he laughed at me and said "its called a 2010 camaro, NOT a 2009 camaro". Guess it takes a while to get current information to the chevy dealerships overseas here in Hawaii. Glad im ordering mine from Scotty. Guess I better sit down and review the option packages before monday.

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Holy cow...someone needs a wake up call.....I think I'd put them in the price gouging thread just because.
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Thats funny you mentioned that. I went to a chevy dealership yesterday to purchase a car for my girlfriend and mentioned about getting a camaro and asking what information they had on the camaro. They told me to go to the www.chevy.com website for info on the camaro since its too early because the camaro wont come out until 2010. They looked at me kinda funny when I said we can put in our orders on monday and first camaro comes out early next year vice 2010. When I told them that, he laughed at me and said "its called a 2010 camaro, NOT a 2009 camaro". Guess it takes a while to get current information to the chevy dealerships overseas here in Hawaii. Glad im ordering mine from Scotty. Guess I better sit down and review the option packages before monday.

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Christ...

What the hell happened to the Order Workbooks that GM sent them?
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Old 10-11-2008, 11:51 PM   #172
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Christ...

What the hell happened to the Order Workbooks that GM sent them?
I dont believe GM sent them out they were just on chevylaunch.com for them to download and print off thats it.
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umm why didn't you just show them this website, and who scott is, etc? etc? you could have proved them wrong, made them look dumb, informed them, and maybe got to place your order which would mean getting the first one?
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Actually, the ordering system was up and online on Friday.
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