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Old 03-19-2007, 01:20 AM   #51
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You know a lot of good topics have come up in here.......
Whadaysay we change the name of the thread just for the sake of me not liking it?
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Old 03-19-2007, 04:31 AM   #52
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Thats a really good point, I've never thought of it that way...but just to yank your chain a little - technically the new Camaro won't be an F-body . It's on the Zeta chassis now, remember...
So, will the new 5th Gen now be known as a Z-body?

Speaking of changing the name of the thread...we've gotten off topic quite a bit here....
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Really I just want a new Firebird or Trans Am, but that will never happen. I would definitely consider a new GTO as long as it doesn't look like an oversized Cavelier with hood scoops again(awesome interior and motor though). I'll end up buying a Camaro just to have a new F-body. It looks great, and should have no problems selling unlike the GTO. As far as the Mustangs go, my wife has a '65 GT fastback and I love it. The new ones are too commonplace. A lot of new Mustang drivers in my area don't even recognize or acknowledge the '65 as a fellow Stang when we pull up next to them. Where as most Camaro drivers can spot any older Camaro and probably tell you what year it is while giving eachother a thumbs up. Everybody and their mom has one. The F-bodies are enthusiast cars. Mustangs are too mainstream for me.
I have to agree with you there. It does seem that your average Camaro driver is more in tune with the automotive world in general and certainly has a much deeper passion for the car they are driving than the average mustang driver. I think this is a very good thing for the Camaro community as well, but I don't know if it is necessarily a good thing for the Camaro in general. I mean, the Mustang has enjoyed a very long uninterrupted lifecycle, and that is primarily due to the mainstream adoption of the car because we all know that these purchases make up the volume sales. As much as i would love to see the Camaro continue to grow as it is now, I also want the car to be able to stay in production.....
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So, will the new 5th Gen now be known as a Z-body?

Speaking of changing the name of the thread...we've gotten off topic quite a bit here....
How about changing the thread name to........."Why are you here if you own a Mustang"!!


Sorry guys.......that made me choke on my power shake.
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How about changing the thread name to........."Why are you here if you own a Mustang"!!


Sorry guys.......that made me choke on my power shake.

I get the general dislike of the mustang from you Chevy guys. I've said previously that I am just a fan of American RWD V-8s, but I am optimistally waiting to see what the Camaro has to offer.

In the end it is just a car. None of my cars, past, present, or future define me as a person. My cars don't get me any chicks I couldn't have got on my own. Only a few chicks know anything about muscle cars anyway, and many would be more impressed with a C230 Mercedes for the simple fact it is a Mercedes. Finally, I am not intimidated by a bigger engine with more horsepower.

If my little 281ci V-8 only makes 315 rwhp after I have modded it, oh well, I'm not going to loose any sleep at night, because I still have a American RWD V-8 that looks good to me, that also runs high 12s when I hit the track on the weekends. Last time I checked 12s were still fast.
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:14 AM   #56
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I have to agree with you there. It does seem that your average Camaro driver is more in tune with the automotive world in general and certainly has a much deeper passion for the car they are driving than the average mustang driver. I think this is a very good thing for the Camaro community as well, but I don't know if it is necessarily a good thing for the Camaro in general. I mean, the Mustang has enjoyed a very long uninterrupted lifecycle, and that is primarily due to the mainstream adoption of the car because we all know that these purchases make up the volume sales. As much as i would love to see the Camaro continue to grow as it is now, I also want the car to be able to stay in production.....
I'd like to weigh in on this too as a Mustang driver. The new 05-08 Mustang grew a whole new crop of Mustang fans. Which is good for Mustang, but many people buying Mustangs today have never driven one before so they just don't know.

I frequent other 05-08 Mustang forums and you would be surprised how many people who bought the new Mustang are complete n00bs to the ponycar segment, who never owned a V8, or never taken their car to a drag strip before.

That is testament to the Mustang though. It is frustrating that many don't know the heritage of the Mustang or muscle cars in general, but new fans are what keep the brand alive.

It would be equally frustrating if new Mustangs were only bought by people who previously owned Mustangs. There would be no growth.

I think it is equally important that the Camaro attracts a new generation of fans (even if they know nothing else about Camaros), and not just the people who have owned previous generation F-bodies and only want to see their car revived.


But anyway the author of the original article is just a hack with an opinion nothing more, shot enough holes in his argument to completely kill any of his credibility.
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Old 03-26-2007, 06:48 PM   #57
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I don't care what platform the Camaro is built on it's still an F-Body to me. Also I guess my household is a huge contradiction. The Mustang is my wife's car. Mine is an '01 Trans Am.
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Old 09-17-2007, 10:58 PM   #58
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Remeber this thread? Well I saw a guest was checking it out (yes, I'm watching you guys...just join already), and I decided to ressurect it.


It's come up before how fustrating it is to know that our car will be the last out of the gate. But I think that GM definitely has their reasons for it, besides "re-tooling the plant"...

#1 - I honestly don't think that the guys at GM expected such a HUGE response to this car. I'm sure they thought people would like it, but even Scott says, he's never seen a reaction to a car quite this large.

#2 - GM could be intentionally trying to wait for the last possible second, until the competitors release their cars. It's a risky move IMO, but if done correctly, this could be the advantage that Camaro needs to really whoop the competition.

#3 - probably the most important. Due to the aforementioned response. I think GM now knows exactly what kind of craftsmanship is expected of all aspects of this car. They're not going to put together some half-assed, chassis carry-over *challenger* (cough) car. It's new, it's fresh, and they're going to get it right.

Based on the above...I can wait.
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Heh, I'd like to agree with you except for two things:

1) I've never seen the Transformers movie.

2) The American movie watcher will have long forgotten about the Transformers movie by the time the Camaro is available on showroom floors.

However, if they release a sequel to Transformers (how could they not in todays sequel/prequel happy market), we may just see a Transformer related boost to Chevy's sales.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:55 PM   #62
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Heh, I'd like to agree with you except for two things:

1) I've never seen the Transformers movie.

2) The American movie watcher will have long forgotten about the Transformers movie by the time the Camaro is available on showroom floors.

However, if they release a sequel to Transformers (how could they not in todays sequel/prequel happy market), we may just see a Transformer related boost to Chevy's sales.
A sequel has already (IIRC) been confirmed. As one of the biggest blockbuster of this summer it was pretty much guarunteed.

Also, when the Transformers DVD is released in the next month, it's been said there will be a contest to win one of 3 Camaro's made to look like Bumblebee in the movie.

Do I think Transformers will be the biggest reason the new Camaro sells? No, but it will continue to infuse interest in the car.

Oh, and watch Transformers when it comes out on DVD. It was fantastic, and the Camaro was gorgeous.
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Old 09-19-2007, 11:25 AM   #63
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Do I think Transformers will be the biggest reason the new Camaro sells? No, but it will continue to infuse interest in the car.
I agree that it will boost interest in the car when the DVD comes out and for a few months afterwards, but I think anyone who didn't already want one will have forgotten all of that by "first quarter of '09". However, if the previews for the sequel are done right, or if it is released to coincide with the release of the Camaro, it could have a massive effect on sales.

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Oh, and watch Transformers when it comes out on DVD. It was fantastic, and the Camaro was gorgeous.
I'm definitely planning on seeing the movie when it comes out on DVD. I don't know why I never saw it in the theaters, it must have just not fit with my schedule. Also, If they don't change the schedule, I'm going to see one of the Bumblebee Camaros at the Seattle Auto Show in the beginning of November.
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Old 09-19-2007, 02:00 PM   #64
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Getting back to what was discussed on the other page about the issue of the Camaro being a guys only car, what the author neglected is that a car that has the image of being macho might help sales. There are lots of people that I know (myself included) who disregard certain vehicles because they are too girly. In contrast, all of these people also love the new Camaro. Any car that attempts to appeal to everyone ends up appealing to nobody. I say its better to pick your battles and win them, rather than be a loser at everything.
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:26 PM   #65
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It seems as though some peoples minds are are shut to tight to ever be reached..Stuck in thier awkward thinking there is no escape. If the writer would just simply look at the facts the logic would strike him so hard he may lapse into Unconsciousness. The Camaro will be:

1. Faster than the stang
2. Get better gas mileage
3. Discharge less nox into the air
4. Outperform the stang in road courses
5. And be priced similarly to the stang
What more could a ford fanatic hate....lol
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The point of the Camaro being 'Macho'/'girly'....I honestly see it as succeeding in both so well, that you can't tell. That's what makes it so great!

Look at all the tight corners, and creases that could be left out, but make that much difference - the angularity: 'Macho'...Now, look at the gentle curves, that tie all those lines together, look at how the rounded peices are so expertly executed, the Car seems seamless: 'girly'

I honestly see that [above]. I highly doubt that the designers were thinking, hmmm. What can we do to make this peice girly? But the car pulls it off so well.

Can any of the girls...or guys, back me up there? Am I the only one who sees those aspects?
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Hmm, perhaps I should clarify on what I meant with macho vs girly. I call it 'the cute test'. Ask a girl (girlfriends/wifes work best) how a car looks and if she says cute, guys should not be seen driving one! After that it gets a bit more difficult. answers like pretty or nice could go either way, for examply most girls would classify Feraris as 'pretty'. Further complicating matters is that there are alot of women out there that apreciate 'manly' cars but don't want to drive them.

And I hope that my opinions have not offended any of the female members here, I know there are a few of you. For the most part these generalizations don't apply to you anyway

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Old 09-19-2007, 11:40 PM   #68
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Ah...in that case...I'd be inclined to think that no girl...or guy...or anybody in their right mind - would call this car, 'cute'. If they do around me...they're not coming in.

One look at the muscular lines, and that grille should be enough to scare anybody feint-of-heart shitless. When we were young - I'm talking like, 5/6 yrs old...I'm sure I wasn't the only one afraid to stand in front of a car...this would be on the top of my "stay away from" list...


No. I hope, and pray - that this car will FAIL the Cute test in every instance.
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Ok...I asked my wife to explain the new Camaro to me using only one word. She said.............

"Sexy"





....and a few short moments later said, "and mean."
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"Sexy and Mean"? I can dig that. I have no problem driving around a sexy, mean Camaro Machine.
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Old 09-20-2007, 02:05 PM   #71
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I've talked to a lot of girls about his car is they say its "sexy" or "hot".
The reason this car isnt macho or girly is cause its just plain GOOD LOOKING. Ofcourse its a manly looking car but i bet there are plenty of girly girls that will like the car becuase of its natural good looks.
I plan on driving down the street downtown and pulling over, opening the passenger door, and letting girls just run to get inside.
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Well I for one hope girls don't flock to my car! They might hit the car with a ring or something and scratch the paint!!! Then I would have to open up a can of whoopass!! (I would do it, too!)
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you can do it...your a girl. us guys...just don't have a choice... So we have to let them in...:p
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The GTO failed because while it took the name it took nothing else from the once great car. I for one just bought a brand new Dodge Charger. I traded in my 2002 convertible Firebird for it. I love my Charger but after looking at the new Camaro I am considering trading my Charger in. While I do love the look of the new Camaro I know the Dodge is a better product. The Camaro is after all a GM product. A test drive and more research will be needed.
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