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Old 08-23-2008, 08:14 PM   #101
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OH GOD ....that was your first post and impression on this forum.....these guys are going to eat you alive!
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You shut your mouth ! lol
Kevin, by the time I stopped laughing from your first post I read your next ones. LMFAO! Classic man classic.

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Old 08-23-2008, 08:31 PM   #102
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My Firebirdbird had 49533 miles when I traded it in. Thats right, under 50,000 miles. The final straw was when the fuel pump went up this June. $1200 to repair it had I decided to. I paid cash for the car in 04 so I was not the original owner and it had 28,000 on it when I bought it. I put 21,000 on it in 4 yrs. Mayabe you are the one who got lucky. I have 3 friend who had a Grand Prix and all say they would never again buy one.

I really didnt come here to start shit. Not who I am. Cars are not cheap and I am entitled to think as I do based on my experiences. Thats why I am here as I said before. I could be closed mind about all GM products based on my past(s) experience. I wanted more info. No need in being so defensive.
We have owned more than enough GM products in the past to know that GM builds the longest lasting, most dependable cars and trucks on the road. Our '89 Safari SLT is still running after over 300,000 miles after we sold it in 2003 at 293,000 miles. My dad's '93 SW2 lasted 243,000 miles before it blew a headgasket.
Regarding the Firebird, for all you know, the original owner may have thrashed it all over the road. If you bought it brand new and it had that many problems before 50k miles, then you'd have something to complain about.

People need to realize that GM's not the same company that it was in the 80s and 90s. We build the best cars and trucks on the market. We've already won tons of awards and accolades from various organizations and publications since 2007. Some of the cars in GM's lineup are so popular that GM can't keep up with production. I think it's about time people sit up and take notice of the new GM. It's no longer the same company that churned out rebadge after rebadge. The days of bad quality are over. Our quality standards have improved greatly over the past few years, with cars like the Malibu being ranked first in initial quality by JD Power and Associates.
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Old 08-23-2008, 08:40 PM   #103
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Old 08-23-2008, 08:41 PM   #104
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WOW, what a bunch of pussies. Im all for brand loyality but you guys are all a little to over the top. GM for the most part sucks. Its not my business and I certainly didnt do this to the GM product.
I never came here to harp on GM and Im sorry if thats how it appears. I can see why it would look like I did. I did however, mean what I said above(meaning in this reply). You all want to attack me thats fine. I have no prob with that. At least now I have knowingly giving you a reason to do it.
Yeah. Because these cars suck.























I don't see Chrysler making ANYTHING as good as these cars.
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Old 08-23-2008, 09:35 PM   #105
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Ah hell,

This one got away before I could get here.


Well, it doesn't make much sense, to try and contain it now. So everyone please let this die. We're now watching this thread closely, I will say that for the most part everyone kept this clean.

FreakingLongHair. All I'd ask is that you change your tone. Not being a fan of GM or the Camaro is not grounds for being banned from this site.

However, name calling is. Personally, I don't want you to go.... Kevin2323 needs all the friends he can get.

So, start over, please and all will be well.
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Old 08-23-2008, 09:51 PM   #106
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Ah hell,

This one got away before I could get here.


Well, it doesn't make much sense, to try and contain it now. So everyone please let this die. We're now watching this thread closely, I will say that for the most part everyone kept this clean.

FreakingLongHair. All I'd ask is that you change your tone. Not being a fan of GM or the Camaro is not grounds for being banned from this site.

However, name calling is. Personally, I don't want you to go.... Kevin2323 needs all the friends he can get.

So, start over, please and all will be well.
Man what is it with you guys and me needing friends.... cmon man you all are getting me teary eyed at how much you guys care........ LOL

All this guy is doing is making you guys bring out all the negative in chrysler and I dont want to be associated with that. I like to look at the brightside to all Cars and discuss the negatives to a certain extent hahaha.
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Kevin, by the time I stopped laughing from your first post I read your next ones. LMFAO! Classic man classic.

Oh and Ive been wanting to use this one:troll:
LOL I am glad I could come in as some comic relief and not look like a troll .
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Old 08-23-2008, 09:58 PM   #108
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I am not concerned with racing the car. Better product as far as longevity. My Firebird (another GM product) is the biggest piece of shit I have ever owned. I am a family man who no longer wants the tickets that come with more horse power. I want style that marries practicality. I had a 03 Mustang MACH 1 and a 07 Mustang GT convert. I sold them both because as a family man I know if I have the horse power I will use it. Tickets and higher ins will eat into my families needs.
My Charger is the 3.5 6cyl. I wanted the hemi but knew better. I got a little pep but remained responsible. You here Im sure will chew me up for that but in the end I got what I wanted/liked and and still thought of my family without buying a minivan.
I really didnt come here to start crap. I came here to see what others are saying about the Camaro.


Dodge is superior on longevity?

I'm definitely pulling for the domestic brands, believe me, but Chrysler is just not getting it right. They're the only one of the big three to not improve quality or reliability. Yes that was basically the Germans who did that to them and Cerberus has not proved its abilities yet (though does anyone really expect a private equity flip machine to actually care?) but your Charger was built on the Mercedes E Class platform during the bad German days so...

Don't believe me?

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/V...andCaravanSXT/

Edit: Fenwick: great list, but since you included some future cars in there you gotta throw in the Invicta. Now that is one heckuva car.
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:02 PM   #109
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Dodge is superior on longevity?

I'm definitely pulling for the domestic brands, believe me, but Chrysler is just not getting it right. They're the only one of the big three to not improve quality or reliability. Yes that was basically the Germans who did that to them and Cerberus has not proved its abilities yet (though does anyone really expect a private equity flip machine to actually care?) but your Charger was built on the Mercedes E Class platform during the bad German days so...

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http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/V...andCaravanSXT/
Yep that is one of the reasons we dont have better 1/4 and 0-60 times although the srt8 does have a good time it could be better. because they used a 5 speed mercedes transmission.
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:09 PM   #110
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It won't fail.
#1 where did u come up with 15 MPG get a grip.

#2 My employees will build the Motors (except the 427).

# 3 Camaro people don't buy Mustangs.

# 4 young people have money (your right it's not 1967).

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This guy was right on over two years ago... haven't heard from 'em since
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:49 PM   #111
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Old 08-23-2008, 11:16 PM   #112
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Chrysler is definitely not dominant in the area of longevity. Look at the old cars on the street. You'll see a lot of GM and Ford classics. I tend toward the GM cars, like the Beretta, Cutlass, STS, Cavalier, Z71s, Camaros, Corvettes, and many others; however, you can bank on seeing a load of Fords, including the Escort, Mustang, and Taurus. Among the classics, I've seen my share of Mustangs, Corvettes, and Camaros, but I have yet to see a classic Challenger, Viper, or Charger in the flesh outside of a show. I've even seen an old Buick Apollo made to seriously drag race down the street from where I work.

The evidence about longevity is all on the streets. I think Chrysler makes beautiful machines with a lot of phenomenal features, including Boston Acoustics sound systems, sporty trims for a lot of models, and, of course, the legendary Hemi V8. At the same time as I appreciate a lot of Chrysler products, I can't honestly say that I'd want an old one based on a combination of consumer reviews, personal preference, and what is still driving around after a long time. There's just not enough evidence to support that a well-treated Chrysler car will last as long as a GM or Ford.
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Old 08-23-2008, 11:23 PM   #113
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oh well lets drop it all. doesn't matter if chrysler has been sold twice or is on thin ice worse then ford or GM. all that matters is the camaro isn't failing because of quality. . .it's going to succeed.
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Old 08-23-2008, 11:26 PM   #114
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If you want a Family car...shoulda looked at a Malibu

2008 North American Car of the Year
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Old 08-24-2008, 12:04 AM   #115
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I have said sorry once so I will not say it again. While I did say I think my Charger will hold up better over time that comment was based a a number of things. Doesnt matter if you believe them or not. In the end it was my money I spent and I think I spent it wisely. Not your cross to bare. I did say GM products suck and that was based on my exp. I have been fortunate to have had a great many cars and trucks. Despite some of my exp I continued to not close doors on auto brands. I now have closed one door and that being anything thats not domestic. That I did 6 yrs ago. Even after all my exp with GM products I came to this board to research. It was only by accident that I found the article that started all of this. A article that I never agreed with.
In the end as I said I am considering trading my Charger for a Camaro. It will depend on a number of things of course. Funny, no one said trade the charger. Insted of trying to sell me on the Camaro you just defended a product I havent had much luck with.
I am sorry for calling you all *******. Uncalled for. Usually I know when I am going to piss someone off. This time I did it and it was never my intention.
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I have said sorry once so I will not say it again. While I did say I think my Charger will hold up better over time that comment was based a a number of things. Doesnt matter if you believe them or not. In the end it was my money I spent and I think I spent it wisely. Not your cross to bare. I did say GM products suck and that was based on my exp. I have been fortunate to have had a great many cars and trucks. Despite some of my exp I continued to not close doors on auto brands. I now have closed one door and that being anything thats not domestic. That I did 6 yrs ago. Even after all my exp with GM products I came to this board to research. It was only by accident that I found the article that started all of this. A article that I never agreed with.
In the end as I said I am considering trading my Charger for a Camaro. It will depend on a number of things of course. Funny, no one said trade the charger. Insted of trying to sell me on the Camaro you just defended a product I havent had much luck with.
I am sorry for calling you all pussies. Uncalled for. Usually I know when I am going to piss someone off. This time I did it and it was never my intention.

hey I wasn't attacking you. I was just trying to explain how your first posts made you come off like a trouble maker, and if you didn't want that stigma to start focusing on other things. and we understand your experiences and opinions. we just might not share them. you're entitled to them like I said and others have said. it's just the way you stated them it came off pretty bad. sorry you viewed it as attacking, just not how I meant it.
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Ok...hopefully we're done now.

Longfreaknhair, please, by all means, read up on the Camaro. Better yet, when it comes out, go take one for a test drive and see what you think. I think you will be quite suprised.

BUT...like dayvedayve said, the Camaro IS a two door....not necessarily a family type of automobile. Sporty? Hell yeah...and you could even put a couple kids in the back for a drive w/ mom. But, the kiddoes are getting bigger.

I'm not going to sit here and defend the Camaro when you said yourself that you are a family man and are looking for something that would better suit your needs. If you want something that is going to be sporty, BUT suit your everyday driving....dude....look into a G8 GT....or heck, even a G8 GXP when they come out (if ya got the projected 40k).

Let me welcome you to the site. We like having new members. We don't necessarily take too well to people calling GM crap, etc. GM HAS come a long way...and are willing to back all of their vehicles by offering the 5 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranty to prove it. Sure, you are entitled to what you think since you had poor luck w/ your Firebird. But, if all your experiences were negative....

Feel free to respectfully discuss the Camaro...and the differences from vehicle to vehicle. Please show some respect to the die hard GM fans we have on this site. And.....OTHERS....please show some respect to the new member by politely explaining/discussing that members different opinions. There's certain ways to communicate and from what I read in the past 2 pages, we're not on the right track.

No provoking or antagonizing...and...
Last, but not least....NO NAME CALLING.
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Well I never made any comment on 2 door versus 4 door. I do think it is hard to drive a family around in a coupe, but if this guy can pull it off, more power to him. Hopefully he can let us know how its done.
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The GTO failed because while it took the name it took nothing else from the once great car. I for one just bought a brand new Dodge Charger. I traded in my 2002 convertible Firebird for it. I love my Charger but after looking at the new Camaro I am considering trading my Charger in. While I do love the look of the new Camaro I know the Dodge is a better product. The Camaro is after all a GM product. A test drive and more research will be needed.
Haha, wow, I would rather buy a Kia over a Dodge product.
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Well I never made any comment on 2 door versus 4 door. I do think it is hard to drive a family around in a coupe, but if this guy can pull it off, more power to him. Hopefully he can let us know how its done.
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Haha, wow, I would rather buy a Kia over a Dodge product.
KIA was in the shop getting maintenance done and a recall part fixed. So...referencing a Kia product here, are we? Because I'D also rather buy a Kia over a Dodge......oh wait, .....I did!!! And I LOVE my Sorento! Best bang for the buck out there and damn good quality too.

Yeppers....hauling around the family in the SS can be done. We did it just fine, but the getting in and out SUCKED. Also, we went to the store to buy a few things. Man, I shoulda taken out that speaker box.....Whew!!! Barely enough room.
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LMAO. Im glad you enjoy your KIA. They have that one model out that the grill kind of resembles a Jag. Good way to fool the folk in the trailer park.
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Kia, oh my, do I have stories about them... Just say I have several friends and believe me it is a good thing they have that 10 year warrenty, they have needed it.... I hope nobody gets involved in an accident in one either, think about it, with the price of repairs it will not take much damage on one to total it out.. One of my friends had one of the sedans, i don't even know which one, but it was 2 years old, has a accident that did $4500 in damage... Wasn't his fault, and the other insurance company said his was totaled because the wholesale value was $4,000.00 Just remember when a car starts out as a cheap car it stays a cheap car.......
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It's clearly the guy, that wrote the article is a mustang fan, he didn't say anything than good about the mustang, and mock the camaro in the same time. That guy is talking from a mustang point of view, it doesn't need 2 to agree on that
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