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Old 09-22-2008, 11:43 AM   #1
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Mods to V6

How much HP do you think I would get up to with a cold air intake and a cat back exhaust as well as a tune?
and secondly what do you think the MPG would be after doing this, i wanna get more power but gas is killer these days.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:45 AM   #2
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10-25hp, and maybe +1-2 mpg
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I give it 340 HP

MPG should stay the same but the Cat back might give you a couple extra gallons
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good good i want more MPG as well as more HP but to stay w/n the warranty.
lol makes sense huh?
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10-25hp, and maybe +1-2 mpg
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I give it 340 HP
Sounds about accurate. No way to really tell until the parts come out. There seems to be some potential for the V6. The 3.6L DI, VVT V6 sounds like it's going to be pretty responsive to mods. But again no real way in telling until it comes out, and then the mods for it come out.

I know I'm thinking of getting the V6. If I wanted the power of an SS, I'd be better of getting the SS. (Which I do of course!)

But if doing some light mods, and maybe converting to F.I later down the road, may be the way to go.

All I can say is by the time I plan on purchasing a Camaro LT I would hope to see this out for it.

Cat-back exhaust. (not just by GMPP)
High flow cat
Headers
tune, (or tuning available from HP Tuners)
Cold Air Intake

& it'd be sweet to see a supercharger or turbo kit available just to see...
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Old 09-22-2008, 04:51 PM   #6
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why spend all that money and not get a v8?
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Old 09-22-2008, 04:55 PM   #7
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why spend all that money and not get a v8?
If getting headers, cat-back, CAI, high flow cat, and a tune cost around what the difference between a V6 and V8 is (I hope not) but yeah I'd get an SS. I'm not getting one until later in the summer so I'm just going to see what's out. But I'm sure the price gap between the V6 and V8 will be more than all of those items mentioned will cost.
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Old 10-05-2008, 10:50 AM   #8
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good good i want more MPG as well as more HP but to stay w/n the warranty.
lol makes sense huh?
I am new to all this engine modification stuff and was wondering what acessories would boost my mpg? Just looking for some minor stuff as I definately want to stay in the warranty.
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where would i have to go to get mods installed

any specific place?
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Old 10-05-2008, 01:50 PM   #10
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they have already done a CAI and catback on the V-6, i believe it was untuned and gained approx 30hp


keeping the stock exhaust manifolds but switching the catback portion of the exhaust and opening up the intake is about the only modification that you can do that will give you a boost in power and mpg. stock air/exhaust systems are so restrictive its not even funny.


with CAI/catback/dyno tune i would imagine you could squeeze about 50 hp if you do it right.
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where would i have to go to get mods installed

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2 places:


1: Dealer

2: DIYer

Your mechanical experience should dictate which one you choose.
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:34 AM   #12
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2: DIYer

Your mechanical experience should dictate which one you choose.
Heh.

I did my CAI myself, and had the exhaust done at a local shop in town.

My car hasn't been to the dealer....in.... well ever.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:53 AM   #13
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yeah. I kind of meant for the GMPP stuff. I agree. If it's not something you feel like you can do yourself, or that someone can do it with a warranty, or you just like to pay other people to do work on your car for you, there's no shame in not working on your car yourself. And unless it's something that comes with the car from the factory but not installed or is a repair under warranty, F the dealer. Typically their service rates are 30-60% higher for the shop. And they're usually crooks anyway. The local chevy dealer here tried to charge my dad for an oil cap on his car that he bought from them, which didn't have the oil cap. One of those things you just kind of assume I guess, but they wanted the 70 bucks for it an, get this, labor.
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:37 PM   #14
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It was 31 RWHP from a cold air intake and cat-back exhaust, no tune. More specifically, 18 hp and 13 tq from the cat back (not sure if the GMPP version will match this, as its just axle back) and 13 hp and 6 tq from the intake. Replace all four cats with high flowers and get the GMPP headers, and then tune it, and you'll be putting down some impressive numbers for sure, at least for a V6. On a related note, the supercharger kit from D3 (the makers of the intake and exhaust) also looks like it may fit on the camaro. That is yet to be seen though. Personally, I think STS better come out with a twin turbo kit.
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Hi I am new here and this is my first post.

Been a lurker for about a year now, and following the new camaro for the past few years since it was first introduced, but figured it was about time for me to join as then I can give my input on things as well.

Anyways I had posted this on another site so thought I would share it here as well, being it answers the questions just right.. and goes along pretty much with what XanthosV6 said right above me.

I had also been interested to see how well the 3.6 DI motor responds to mods, so I headed over the cadillac forums and this is what I found:

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Thank you all for your patience and we are happy to announce the results are in! Attached are dyno graphs from our 2008 CTS 3.6L DI RWD.
Baseline run: vehicle produced 263.0 rwhp and 241.7 lbs/tq.
Adding the new Corsa Exhaust power jumped to 281.1 rwhp and 255.3 lbs/tq. for an increase of 18.1 rwhp and 13.6 lbs/tq




From here, we added our intake system and power jumped to 294.2 rwhp and 261.3 lbs/tq for an increase of 13.1 rwhp and 6.0 lbs/tq. Total gain in power was 31.2 rwhp and 19.6 lbs/tq. from just an intake and exhaust.


So Intake and Exhaust = 294.2 rwhp / 261.3 rwtq

There was no tune with this, and I have read that a tune is good for nice gains as well. (aprox. 15-25 rwhp)

So if I am reading this all right, Intake, Exhaust, and Tune is going to put these 6'ers over 300rwhp :burn:

I think the V6 is going to impress a lot of people.

Anyways, still gonna be a M6 LS3 SS for me, but just thought a base camaro with the numbers these 3.6 DI motors put out will be quite impressive and quite a good bang for the buck

Definately won't mind driving one of these for a rental car if they end up being rented like the mustangs

EDIT: Damnit, just saw that this info was already posted in another thread. Sorry guys.. I win the award of Worst 1st post ever!

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An intake and cat back exhaust can be done in your driveway with simple hand tools. Even if you aren't mechanically inclined.
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EDIT: Damnit, just saw that this info was already posted in another thread. Sorry guys.. I win the award of Worst 1st post ever!



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yup, and there will be plenty of help for all of you as well.
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Hi I am new here and this is my first post.

Been a lurker for about a year now, and following the new camaro for the past few years since it was first introduced, but figured it was about time for me to join as then I can give my input on things as well.

Anyways I had posted this on another site so thought I would share it here as well, being it answers the questions just right.. and goes along pretty much with what XanthosV6 said right above me.

I had also been interested to see how well the 3.6 DI motor responds to mods, so I headed over the cadillac forums and this is what I found:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...ains-over.html




So Intake and Exhaust = 294.2 rwhp / 261.3 rwtq

There was no tune with this, and I have read that a tune is good for nice gains as well. (aprox. 15-25 rwhp)

So if I am reading this all right, Intake, Exhaust, and Tune is going to put these 6'ers over 300rwhp :burn:

I think the V6 is going to impress a lot of people.

Anyways, still gonna be a M6 LS3 SS for me, but just thought a base camaro with the numbers these 3.6 DI motors put out will be quite impressive and quite a good bang for the buck

Definately won't mind driving one of these for a rental car if they end up being rented like the mustangs

EDIT: Damnit, just saw that this info was already posted in another thread. Sorry guys.. I win the award of Worst 1st post ever!
Bring this one back from the dead. i hope we can get a 31 rwhp out of a exhaust and a CAI
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I hope D3 offers their stuff for this car soon! Bring on modded V-6's!
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Sounds about accurate. No way to really tell until the parts come out. There seems to be some potential for the V6. The 3.6L DI, VVT V6 sounds like it's going to be pretty responsive to mods. But again no real way in telling until it comes out, and then the mods for it come out.

I know I'm thinking of getting the V6. If I wanted the power of an SS, I'd be better of getting the SS. (Which I do of course!)

But if doing some light mods, and maybe converting to F.I later down the road, may be the way to go.

All I can say is by the time I plan on purchasing a Camaro LT I would hope to see this out for it.

Cat-back exhaust. (not just by GMPP)
High flow cat
Headers
tune, (or tuning available from HP Tuners)
Cold Air Intake

& it'd be sweet to see a supercharger or turbo kit available just to see...

why not from GMPP is it bad or theres something better. i was planning on getting it from them and im new to this whole mod thing to a car, so is it possible to get an explanation as to why we should go somewhere else to get the exhaust?
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Not to poo on the party, but until programming is availbile there will be ZERO increase in hp torque within 3-4 drive cycles. You may get an increase in the pull rught after the install, but the bosch will quickly learn down the increase.

The bosch med9x system is based on % torque demand from the driver.
There is a max torque and an Airmass table that dictate what cyl filling shall be. It will then adjust throttle angle ,cam timing, ignition timing in that order to achieve the closest match it can to the requested airmass table.

It is something we have been battling in the LNF camp for a few years now.
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what you mean by 3-4 drive cycles
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I have one major concern with any V6 mods and that would be the transmission`s. The manual 6 speed is rated at 345 ft-lbs of torque with an engine rated at 273 ft-lbs of torque and the auto`s are rated even lower than the M6, this would mean that there is about 75 ft-lbs of wiggle room before you exceed the transmission`s torque rating. So am I wrong in my logic or is there something I`m missing? To me it would seem that the trannies may be the weak link in any engine mods.

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Mick, great point but even if you do mods, you'd still below rating right ?
Might be close and possibly a problem, but rating SHOULD be good enough reference to say mods are O.K.
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what you mean by 3-4 drive cycles
Cold engine, warmup and driving is 1 drive cycle.

That Bosch PCM is one smart little bugger.
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