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Old 03-11-2010, 12:12 PM   #26
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People do things because people don't think. Ever wonder why people make crappy movies? Because they don't have attention to detail and they just don't think.

We can avoid this by providing feedback. We know that GM reads these forums, so we should keep perpetuating the expectation of a summer 2011 release. At the very least, if they never thought about it before, they may think "oh yeah, I guess that makes sense".

If we don't set them straight and keep saying "late 2011", some sleepy GM exec may just bring it out at the end of 2011 because he never used his brain.
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:15 PM   #27
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I don't care when it comes out. I have not purchased the 2SS/RS because I always hoped they would release the Z28. It WILL be mine.
that's nonsense. It would be pure torture to release it in late 2011 and then have it sit in your garage undriven for a half a year.

I'm waiting LONG ENOUGH for my Camaro. I missing the 2010 summer, I'll be darned if I'm missing the 2011 summer too.
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:41 PM   #28
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People do things because people don't think. Ever wonder why people make crappy movies? Because they don't have attention to detail and they just don't think.

We can avoid this by providing feedback. We know that GM reads these forums, so we should keep perpetuating the expectation of a summer 2011 release. At the very least, if they never thought about it before, they may think "oh yeah, I guess that makes sense".

If we don't set them straight and keep saying "late 2011", some sleepy GM exec may just bring it out at the end of 2011 because he never used his brain.
it does make some sense to release it in fall/winter. this way, they can meet the initial pent up demand of the "gotta have it's" and then they will be able to sell to the fairweather fans afterwards when spring/summer rolls around.
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The point of a fall release is because they expect the hardcore enthusiasts to snap up the early production units. They want those buyers taken care of early so that when spring rolls in and the uninitiated start thinking, "Man, a new sports car would be nice!" there will be Z28s on the showroom. They are more concerned about sales momentum than they are about what makes sense for you personally. GM has been marketing cars for a long time, release dates aren't pulled out of a hat.
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The date for the Camaro's release was March 16th, 2 days after my wedding. I will probably be buying the 2nd model year of this generation.

To make things weirder, my fiancée's birthday is September 29th. In 1966, that was the release of the 1967 Camaro.

My birthday, April 10th, this year is the last day to order a 2010 Camaro.

When I lived in college with my wedding's best man, we lived in apartment F5. Is the Camaro not like a 5th F-body?

I was meant to drive a Camaro.
I was brought home from the hospital in a Z28
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Old 03-11-2010, 01:11 PM   #31
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The date for the Camaro's release was March 16th, 2 days after my wedding. I will probably be buying the 2nd model year of this generation.

To make things weirder, my fiancée's birthday is September 29th. In 1966, that was the release of the 1967 Camaro.

My birthday, April 10th, this year is the last day to order a 2010 Camaro.

When I lived in college with my wedding's best man, we lived in apartment F5. Is the Camaro not like a 5th F-body?

I was meant to drive a Camaro.
I just always thought they were cool

And, again, I'm making my own Z-28. =P
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I was brought home from the hospital in a Z28
that reminds me I brought my son home from the hospital in a 79 Camaro.. I never told him that.. That is when I learned that a Camaro was not a car to put a babyseat in...
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I guess if you saw the first post things would make more sense to you.
I saw it

I wonder how many of these parts will bolt-up to LS/LT/SS models. That'd be interesting to find out. They're likely not going to be as strong as what the aftermarket has already engineered, but if you don't need to spend as much money for a part you're never going to use to it's potential, maybe it'd be a viable alternative
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I can backup that info about the Z28 driveshafts. See my post about it http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70471
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Looks like my crystal ball is accurate. Late 2011 as a 2012 model. 45th Anniversary Z-28, the greatest Camaro ever produced.
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The point of a fall release is because they expect the hardcore enthusiasts to snap up the early production units. They want those buyers taken care of early so that when spring rolls in and the uninitiated start thinking, "Man, a new sports car would be nice!" there will be Z28s on the showroom. They are more concerned about sales momentum than they are about what makes sense for you personally. GM has been marketing cars for a long time, release dates aren't pulled out of a hat.


Nothing like cold logic to destroy someone's hopes and dreams



However, you've got the sales numbers of the 2010 Camaro working against this logic. The 2010 Camaro is an absolute sales hit, and it was released in April. My logic beats yours.
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Dispell with the logic, GM, hell, all makers customarily release the next model year in the fall....September to November typically.
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Maybe my current situation is just pissing me off all the time, but it seems to me you guys complain WAY too much.

Try ordering a Camaro April 2009, it arrives in July (of which your parents/wife/whoever) parents in my case trailer it home and put it in the garage, it then sits in the garage until 22 October 2009 under a cover, you then get to drive it for two weeks, half way through the two weeks a tractor trailer throws a rock up your hood messing up your stripes and cracking your wind shield, on the last day of those two weeks you wash it/wax it and put it back in the garage under the cover for 5 more months you wait and are still waiting just to go back home and drive it again.

Those of you who have not bought a Camaro yet for whatever reason (budget/you only want the Z28), awesome patience waiting on the Z.

Those of you who are griping because you don't want to buy a car and put it in the garage for the winter driving it only on nice sunny days. Well I wish that I could wake up, walk to my garage, and decide if it’s a nice enough day to drive my Camaro and not the usual daily driver.

Instead someone wakes me up in the middle of then night and I have to think about what roadside bombs I have to disarm or how many body parts I have to pick up after an explosion.

This is not a ploy to get the "thanks for serving" its simply a stop complaining for how good you have it, and in the end GM will do what ever they want. To be perfectly honest I thank the government bailing out GM so I can drive a new Camaro!!!!!

Sorry if I came across being an Ass, it has just been one of those days. All I really wanted was what little factual information which was out there for us. Instead I got BS posts to browse through in order to find the meat and potatoes.

Either that or just ignore my post and continue on with the current trend.
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Maybe my current situation is just pissing me off all the time, but it seems to me you guys complain WAY too much.

Try ordering a Camaro April 2009, it arrives in July (of which your parents/wife/whoever) parents in my case trailer it home and put it in the garage, it then sits in the garage until 22 October 2009 under a cover, you then get to drive it for two weeks, half way through the two weeks a tractor trailer throws a rock up your hood messing up your stripes and cracking your wind shield, on the last day of those two weeks you wash it/wax it and put it back in the garage under the cover for 5 more months you wait and are still waiting just to go back home and drive it again.

Those of you who have not bought a Camaro yet for whatever reason (budget/you only want the Z28), awesome patience waiting on the Z.

Those of you who are griping because you don't want to buy a car and put it in the garage for the winter driving it only on nice sunny days. Well I wish that I could wake up, walk to my garage, and decide if it’s a nice enough day to drive my Camaro and not the usual daily driver.

Instead someone wakes me up in the middle of then night and I have to think about what roadside bombs I have to disarm or how many body parts I have to pick up after an explosion.

This is not a ploy to get the "thanks for serving" its simply a stop complaining for how good you have it, and in the end GM will do what ever they want. To be perfectly honest I thank the government bailing out GM so I can drive a new Camaro!!!!!

Sorry if I came across being an Ass, it has just been one of those days. All I really wanted was what little factual information which was out there for us. Instead I got BS posts to browse through in order to find the meat and potatoes.

Either that or just ignore my post and continue on with the current trend.
This is a forum. A discussion forum. What don't people get about that? If you want cold hard facts, go read the GM page or find a brochure.

In a discussion forum, we talk. There's nothing I hate more than people that try to make rules for what can or cannot be discussed on a friggin forum. Why? Because those people are one step away from commie secret police mindset, except they just happen to be born in a free country so they manifest their personality by becoming forum thought police instead.

The ONLY rules to follow, are the forum rules. And sorry, but you don't get to make them up as you go along. K?
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:38 AM   #40
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Yeah, sorry but you are an ass (you said it first). This is a forum. A discussion forum. What don't people get about that? If you want cold hard facts, go read the GM page or find a brochure.

In a discussion forum, we talk. There's nothing I hate more than people that try to make rules for what can or cannot be discussed on a friggin forum. Why? Because those people are one step away from commie secret police mindset, except they just happen to be born in a free country so they manifest their personality by becoming forum thought police instead.

The ONLY rules to follow, are the forum rules. And sorry, but you don't get to make them up as you go along. K?
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I totally respect what you do for your country and the world. But what some people don't understand is that forums are inherently full of opinion, not fact. I rarely find anything anyone says objectionable, because I understand that it is simply their opinion, and they're welcome to it.

For example, when someone says "something should be this and that", you find that someone gets offended by the word "should". Why? It's obvious it's their opinion, and in their opinion it should be this and that. There's nothing wrong with that.

Furthermore, I've also seen people have their perspectives opened up because they voiced their incorrect viewpoint, and other people in the forum were able to change their mindset. Had those people kept their mouths shut in the first place, they would never have learned they were wrong. I myself have been corrected many times.

Therefore I have learned that there is much to be gained by voicing one's opinion, rightly or wrongly. We all get to learn, in my opinion.
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I totally respect what you do for your country and the world. But what some people don't understand is that forums are inherently full of opinion, not fact. I rarely find anything anyone says objectionable, because I understand that it is simply their opinion, and they're welcome to it.

For example, when someone says "something should be this and that", you find that someone gets offended by the word "should". Why? It's obvious it's their opinion, and in their opinion it should be this and that. There's nothing wrong with that.

Furthermore, I've also seen people have their perspectives opened up because they voiced their incorrect viewpoint, and other people in the forum were able to change their mindset. Had those people kept their mouths shut in the first place, they would never have learned they were wrong. I myself have been corrected many times.

Therefore I have learned that there is much to be gained by voicing one's opinion, rightly or wrongly. We all get to learn, in my opinion.
Your opinion is respected; you actually can express an intelligent thought process. I enjoy discussions of how well do the parts transfer from one version to another. People are thinking there (LSA=LS Family, LS3 copulates with LSA and makes LS3A). I also enjoy the "Chevy just ordered what would appear to be heavy duty drive shafts" ie 1+1= Z28. It was mainly the “…if I bought it in September I would barely get to drive it...” Kind of a Grind my Gears moment
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First thanks for your service to the USA! Second, I feel your pain (I have been waiting to buy a new Camaro since 2001 (wife overruled the SS in 02 :( ). So needless to say, I am ecstatic about the forthcoming Z28!
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Couldn't wait went Hennessey 600 hp package. Probably will be similar monies as the Z-28.
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Just out of curiosity.. were you born in NJ?
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Old 03-12-2010, 02:48 PM   #47
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Wow..Glad we got through all that..Now back on topic. So uh....Whats the difference between a Z/28 driveshaft and an SS or V6 driveshaft? Does it say.."For Z/28 only!!" on the side?
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Yeah itd be in everyone's best interests to keep the Captain America discussion out of the picture.
For those people who think its lame to buy the car in October or something just to let it sit in your garage i really dont see the problem, i dont wanna burst your bubble but there's gonna be many more winters out there you'll have to store it for, once a year to be more specific xD and if you still dont like it then dont buy it til Spring problem solved.
And yeah what is the difference anyways? Is there a major reason everyone is so up into the idea of a Z/28 driveshaft? Or is it just the idea that a part made specificly for the Z is coming to market so we know the car wont be far behind?
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Im guessing this Z-28 isn't gonna be "sitting in showrooms" as some one put it....it's gonna have a price north of 50K and probably be a limited production item. They will most likely be sold almost exclusively to enthusiasts, because anyone who encounters a nice weather day and gets the urge to buy a sports car would drive an SS and realize no more power is really necessary for their casual needs.....and definitely won't be willing to pay 20K more because 426 HP isn't enough.
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Im guessing this Z-28 isn't gonna be "sitting in showrooms" as some one put it....it's gonna have a price north of 50K and probably be a limited production item. They will most likely be sold almost exclusively to enthusiasts, because anyone who encounters a nice weather day and gets the urge to buy a sports car would drive an SS and realize no more power is really necessary for their casual needs.....and definitely won't be willing to pay 20K more because 426 HP isn't enough.
I think you're half right, there probly wont be many out there but i think every large respectable GM dealership will have one to showcase as the center-piece of its display. Kind of like the GT500, they're there on display, but they usually dont go anywhere haha, they just draw customers into the showroom where they settle on what they really can afford, being the SS as you mentioned
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