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View Poll Results: Who would win around a track? 2010 Camaro SS or 2009 911 Carrera?
Camaro SS (6-speed manual) 36 34.62%
911 Carrera (6-speed manual) 68 65.38%
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Old 09-23-2008, 08:06 PM   #1
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Question 2010 Camaro SS vs Base Porsche 911?

I've lost a lot of sleep thinking about this over the last few nights. How would the Camaro SS do against a new face-lifted base 911 around a track?

Camaro SS- 422hp (6-speed manual)
911 Carrera- 345hp (6-speed manual)

Well I'd figure that the SS would leave the 911 for dead on the straits considering it has about 80 more horsepower and about 100 more lb ft of torque. BUT when the straits over........ the 911's cornering abilities are impossible to match. BUT we all recently heard the SS would pull .97g on the skidpad. I just dont know what would happen
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Old 09-23-2008, 08:09 PM   #2
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I would predict the 911 on a track for sure. The Camaro SS for sure handles very well, and the fact that it can pull .97g is very impressive.

But after seeing the Cobalt SS Turbo only being two seconds slower than the SS on the "Gring" I'm not too confident about its track skills.

Also doesn't the 911 weigh a good 500-700lbs less?
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Weight is also an issue but I think the hp,tq, and handling will make up the difference.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:32 PM   #4
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I don't mean to be dark, and although I'd love to see our Camaro on top, I think the Porsche would have the win. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my words, happily This car has just too much mass, IMVHO, to defeat physics. Time will tell and I'll remain hungry
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:57 PM   #5
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Alright, now the comparisons are getting a bit silly. I wouldn't be so sure about the Camaro "leaving the 911 for dead on the straights" considering that the base 6MT 911 does 0-60 in 4.7s (est), the base 911 w/PDK does it in 4.5s, and the base 911 w/PDK and Sports Chrono Package Plus does it in 4.3s; all on the way to a top speed of 180+mph. You're also talking about a much smaller, more purpose-built, car with a curb weight of just over 3,100 lbs., a far lower center of gravity, 10.5in. wide standard rear wheels, etc.

There's no doubt the Camaro's handling will be impressive, but some of you need to realize that peak lateral gs is not the be-all-and-end-all of a car's handling. In fact, it tells us very little about the car's handling. The Lotus Elise SC pulls .96g on the skidpad vs. the Camaros .97g. What does that tell us about how the cars actually handle? Absolutely nothing.
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Alright, now the comparisons are getting a bit silly. I wouldn't be so sure about the Camaro "leaving the 911 for dead on the straights" considering that the base 6MT 911 does 0-60 in 4.7s (est), the base 911 w/PDK does it in 4.5s, and the base 911 w/PDK and Sports Chrono Package Plus does it in 4.3s; all on the way to a top speed of 180+mph. You're also talking about a much smaller, more purpose-built, car with a curb weight of just over 3,100 lbs., a far lower center of gravity, 10.5in. wide standard rear wheels, etc.

There's no doubt the Camaro's handling will be impressive, but some of you need to realize that peak lateral gs is not the be-all-and-end-all of a car's handling. In fact, it tells us very little about the car's handling. The Lotus Elise SC pulls .96g on the skidpad vs. the Camaros .97g. What does that tell us about how the cars actually handle? Absolutely nothing.
Have you forgoten that the Camaro's weight distribution is a near-perfect 52/48 while the 911's is 38/62. The rear-mounted engine also means lots of under/oversteer.
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:14 PM   #7
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Have you forgoten that the Camaro's weight distribution is a near-perfect 52/48 while the 911's is 38/62. The rear-mounted engine also means lots of under/oversteer.
Have you forgotten about the 700 Lbs less? Not to mention the quality and engineering that usually come with a ~$100K sports car...

The Camaro may be cheaper and easier to work on, but a track built Porsche 911 vs a $30 Sport Coupe, come on!
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:17 PM   #8
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for the price your going to pay for the 911, you might as well just get a camaro ss, and tune it up: reducing weight where it can be taken off and increasing horsepower.

The 911 is way over priced!
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:21 PM   #9
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I do 99% of my driving on the roads so that is the only place that I judge performance. I suspect the Camaro will be a very nice road car. The Porsche is fun, I have driven a couple of different models over the years but I would never buy one.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:13 PM   #10
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the thing to think about is how the hell can the camaro be so good that we are today comparing the camaro to the 911.
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:24 PM   #11
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the thing to think about is how the hell can the camaro be so good that we are today comparing the camaro to the 911.
You guys may be, but I can assure you no one else is. That kind of talk in the outside world would get you
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:31 PM   #12
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they said the challeger would pull .99 on the skid...but it actually pulls .90 so expect lower numbers.
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Old 09-24-2008, 11:11 PM   #13
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Guys as good as the camaro is going to be, it can't touch the Porche 911. Sorry just being realistic here. Pluss I have driven the Porsche 911 CS, and that is one kick ass ride.
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Old 09-24-2008, 11:17 PM   #14
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they said the challeger would pull .99 on the skid...but it actually pulls .90 so expect lower numbers.
well.. your "they" prob should lay off the shrooms

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Guys as good as the camaro is going to be, it can't touch the Porche 911. Sorry just being realistic here. Pluss I have driven the Porsche 911 CS, and that is one kick ass ride.
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yes i have a 911 4S. and i cant imagine the camaro being faster round a track..
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Old 09-24-2008, 11:30 PM   #15
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well.. your "they" prob should lay off the shrooms



welcome back.

yes i have a 911 4S. and i cant imagine the camaro being faster round a track..
thanks and cutos to you and the 911 C4S nice car.
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:02 AM   #16
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base Camaro SS: $30k
supercharger: $8k, installed and tuned
full on suspension upgrades: $3k
CCW wheels and Michelin PS2 tires: $5k

watching a $46k Camaro SS whip a $90k Porsche 911: priceless


that's what the video is going to be on YouTube... lol
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and, I might add, that's what it would take for a Camaro to beat a 911 around a track... too much mass to be any different... but if you add enough power to it, even a F4 Phantom jet, which doesn't fly on paper, will break the sound barrier.
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they said the challeger would pull .99 on the skid...but it actually pulls .90 so expect lower numbers.
lower.....
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Have you forgotten about the 700 Lbs less? Not to mention the quality and engineering that usually come with a ~$100K sports car...

The Camaro may be cheaper and easier to work on, but a track built Porsche 911 vs a $30 Sport Coupe, come on!

i agree with the top gear crew, porsche is rubbish. oh gee what does the new 911 look like? just like the old 911.

just because it is 100k doesnt mean the engineering is good. it means they have more cost per car so they dont have as many cars to recoup thier expenditures. chevy is planning to sell more more camaros in 2 months then porsche sells across all its models in a year. they can develop a better car with less cost to the consumer.
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:32 AM   #20
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Now if you compare to the CaymanS or Boxter, I think the SS would stand a good chance. It will still be far less than those cars.
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again i still side with top gear, for the money those cars are rubbish. i believe it was jeremy who said youd be an idiot to get a cost comparitive AMG mercedes or M BMW
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:40 AM   #22
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Fun to money quotient I doubt the Camaro will be touched by anything. I'm just saying in the above that the SS would probably beat both those others cars on the track heads up. Fact is it won't beat the 911, however for the price and look who cares, it will still be an extremely capable road car that will be great for lapping at the local track.
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Fun to money quotient I doubt the Camaro will be touched by anything. I'm just saying in the above that the SS would probably beat both those others cars on the track heads up. Fact is it won't beat the 911, however for the price and look who cares, it will still be an extremely capable road car that will be great for lapping at the local track.
i think it gets to a point were i can be a little too hopeful for this car, and i dont think it will beat the 911 around a track, the simple truth is that the 911 has more brakes since it is lighter and can brake into turns much later and accelerate out faster, sure it may be close for the 1st couple turns but averages lap times are going to continue to move further and further apart.
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If I'm honest I have a little voice in my head that says I bet I could beat the average porche owner in a 911 with me in a SS around a track.
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:26 AM   #25
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I never liked the 911's originally they evolved from a bettle yes a Volkswagen bug , thats why they look similar get it lol , having the engine in the rear was a mistake and porsche has been trying to manage this for decades , weight distributions are horrible , they are way overpriced and sound crappy after all they are just six bangers , nothing like a rumbling V8 that's for shure north americans know how to build true sports cars that sound AND look good
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