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Old 03-07-2009, 07:59 AM   #1
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RS package

For everyone that ordered the RS package the fog lights function as the daytime running lights only there is no button to turn them on or off thats why I DIDN'T order it just thought I would throw that out there.
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:14 AM   #2
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Regardless of what car you have, if it has DRL (and no matter where they are), they can can not be turned off or on. I would rather have DRL's in the foglamps than the actual headlights. I still don't quite get the whole DRL thing. Lights on in the daytime? Never quite understood that, but then again, I'm not the U.S. Goverment making these regulations.

If you don't get the RS, they will be in the headlighst then.
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:15 AM   #3
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I think thats a good thing. Halogen fog lamps would look goofy lit up at the same time as HID headlights... Just my opinion
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:18 AM   #4
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My Avalanche DRLs can be turned off. Or is this just a Camaro thing....
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:25 AM   #5
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I believe the running light thing is because the government feels that other drivers can see a car with its lights on even during the day better than they can for cars without daytime running lights..

The fog lights usually have a rotating switch on the left drivers stalk to control fog lights function...


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Old 03-07-2009, 08:26 AM   #6
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Regardless of what car you have, if it has DRL (and no matter where they are), they can can not be turned off or on. I would rather have DRL's in the foglamps than the actual headlights. I still don't quite get the whole DRL thing. Lights on in the daytime? Never quite understood that, but then again, I'm not the U.S. Goverment making these regulations.

If you don't get the RS, they will be in the headlighst then.
The DRL's on the non RS cars are the signal lights, not the headlights - just like on the 4th gens.

The reason for headlights in the daytime is that it has been statistically proven that they prevent head-on collisions. When you are reaching over to the radio or looking away from the street, your peripheral vision can pick up a car with it's lights on much quicker during the day then a car without lights. Besides, I think it looks good when car companies use the parking lights instead of the headlights.
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:31 AM   #7
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I figured they were starting to use DRLs for all the people that forget or just don't turn their head lights on when it rains or snows. . .lol. how hard is it to see other cars with out lights on when you are going down the road and it's pooring?
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:53 AM   #8
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I hope that's not true... I like using the fog lights on my GP. And you turn off the DRL on it by rotating the headlamp ring backwards and turn on the fog lights with their own ring... both on the turn signal stick.
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:56 AM   #9
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Read this thread http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8240 or any of about 3 others that talk in detail about what are indeed the DRLs on which models. I believe you will find that the DRLs on the RS cars are the foglights, not the marker or turn signal lights.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:05 AM   #10
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The reason for headlights in the daytime is that it has been statistically proven that they prevent head-on collisions. When you are reaching over to the radio or looking away from the street, your peripheral vision can pick up a car with it's lights on much quicker during the day then a car without lights. Besides, I think it looks good when car companies use the parking lights instead of the headlights.
Ummm...no. Research, such as this, does not "prove" anything; the results only support the hypothesis. The study conducted by GM is methodologically lacking and does not do a good job with their pair-wise comparisons. They seemed to have taken a matched-assignment procedure, but failed to control for a number of other variables. The fact that GM had a vested interest in DRL's and was pushing for a federal mandate on them calls into question their objectivity.

A large-scale study by the Highway Loss Data Institute showed that "vehicles equipped with DRLs were involved in more accidents than similar vehicles without DRLs. The difference was minimal, but the meaning was straight forward, DRLs aggravate other motorists, obscure directional lights, "mask" other road users that don't have headlights on, or don't have headlights period (pedestrians and bicyclists) and their net effect on accident reduction is zero or worse."
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:29 AM   #11
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i have a question, many of the photos i've seen that i believe to have an RS package, have a button with the foglamp symbol so wouldnt i be able to just push the button to turn them off, or if there on all the time like someone said there will be no button to turn them off?
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:45 AM   #12
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DRLs can be turned off. Not ordering an RS only because you thought they couldn't be was a mistake.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:45 AM   #13
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I would think you can...you can turn them off in my '07 Malibu. You just rotate the switch to the "Off" position and the DRLs turn off.
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:50 AM   #14
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This is what I was trying to say If you have the RS package you do not have the function of fog lights any time even at night there is no button or knob to turn them on
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:54 AM   #15
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This is what I was trying to say If you have the RS package you do not have the function of fog lights any time even at night there is no button or knob to turn them on
i get that....but some of the photo's show the symbol, which appears to be a push button, so why put it in there if its useless, doesnt make sense. unless the photots i saw were not of cars with the RS but im preety sure some were
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Old 03-07-2009, 10:59 AM   #16
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push button yes but if RS car no symbol
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Old 03-07-2009, 11:01 AM   #17
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interesting......where did you hear this from?
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Old 03-07-2009, 11:01 AM   #18
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You can turn DRL's off on anything if you are determined enough...plus who would want to give the cops a heads up that you are coming at speed during the day?...lol..Also if you want to be able on the RS to turn your fog lights on and off just interupt the line and add a switch

Here are some tricks on the Corvette so I imagine the Camaro would be similar or a step in the right direction.

Usually when you engage the parking brake one click the DRL's will go off..go find that sensor and keep it engaged.

Here is how to disable them permanently and it is reversable and does not affect the operation of any other lights. Cut and paste follows.
1. In the passenger footwell, lower the front carpet.
2. Remove the foot panel.
3. Locate the IPEC (Instument Panel Electrical Center) It looks like the fuse box next to the battery.
4. Remove the cover of the IPEC.
5. Turn it over and find the diagram of the components.
6. Locate relays 38 and 40. (38 controls the right DRL and 40 the left)
7. Pull each relay and carefully remove the cover.
8. Insert some type of insulator between the relay contacts (matchbook cover cardboard or the plastic from a coffee can lid works well) that you have cut to fit.
9. Replace relay cover, replace relay, replace IPEC cover, replace the footwell.
10. DONE!!
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Old 03-07-2009, 11:20 AM   #19
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Regardless of what car you have, if it has DRL (and no matter where they are), they can can not be turned off or on. I would rather have DRL's in the foglamps than the actual headlights. I still don't quite get the whole DRL thing. Lights on in the daytime? Never quite understood that, but then again, I'm not the U.S. Goverment making these regulations.

If you don't get the RS, they will be in the headlighst then.
I cant remember which country it was that did the research (sweden I think) that cars using DRL are 30-35% less likely to be in a accident. In England when I lived there for 30 odd years DRL was unheard of, but I drove ALWAYS with my lights on in the day time. I felt more secure I guess.

I think DRL should be mandatory on all cars.
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Old 03-07-2009, 12:00 PM   #20
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didn't hear it found out about it first hand up close with a 2ss/rs at cleveland
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Old 03-07-2009, 12:16 PM   #21
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DRL are mandatory in Canada. Any switches you looked at, if they were in Canada the switch will not allow them to be turned off. But rotate the knob left and the DRL will turn off on cars built for USA.
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Old 03-07-2009, 12:17 PM   #22
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The DRL's on the non RS cars are the signal lights, not the headlights - just like on the 4th gens.
not according to every picture of a CTF car we've seen. all the non-RS cars use the headlights. i wish they'd use the parking lights, but they don't

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This is what I was trying to say If you have the RS package you do not have the function of fog lights any time even at night there is no button or knob to turn them on
that would make no sense at all. the fog lights will have a switch. how else would you use them at night when the DRLs are off?
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didn't hear it found out about it first hand up close with a 2ss/rs at cleveland
wow, good info! i fig it would atleast be an option to turn them off or not have the fogs on during the day maybe just the halos or blinkers. i wasnt aware of that, im still going to get it i love the Halos. i guess its just one of those features you'll have to get use to
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So when there is fog at night we wont be able to turn on the "FOG LIGHTS"? Is this what I am reading here?
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So when there is fog at night we wont be able to turn on the "FOG LIGHTS"? Is this what I am reading here?
the fog lights will work like any other set of fog lights.

they will also serve as DRLs during the day (on RS-equipped cars)
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