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Old 03-15-2010, 01:27 AM   #1
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Right Hand Camaro on hold

Unfortunately for right-hand car markets (i.e. UK & Australia) plans for a right-hand drive version of the Camaro have been put on hold due to a change of priorities within GM, Bob Lutz, GM's vice chairman, said in an interview with journalists at the 2010 Geneva Auto Show. Basically, the US-based manufacturer intends to focus more on hybrids and electric vehicles and less on alternative version of existing models that would be only addressed to a limited number of buyers.

In other words, countries such as Japan, UK and Australia won't get the Camaro. At least, not now as Lutz only said that plans have been delayed "indefinitely".

"It's been pushed back, perhaps indefinitely," Lutz said, according to motortrend.com. "No matter which car company you work for, there's never enough engineering money, talent and capital to do everything you want to do," said Lutz. "So when we looked at the hybrids that we have to do, and the plug-ins that we have to do, we just had to priority rank it and I couldn't argue with the priorities."

Although GM's intentions to concentrate on a different range of products represented the main reason for the company's change of plans, Lutz also explained that all these countries would only buy low volumes which, in the current context, do not make sense, especially for a company like GM that tries anything to boost sales.

"Unfortunately all of the markets came in with relatively low volume estimates. The UK was low, and...frankly I think Australia could have stepped up to the plate with some more. But when we finally looked at it there weren't enough units to justify after all what is a fairly large investment," he said.

Per http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ri...old-17853.html
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:48 AM   #2
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Australia is a bit of a surprise.

So I would assume they had a good way to gauge support and demand for it in Australia? Or I wonder if there was a preliminary order that wasn't bi enough?

Either way, sucks for the Ausies. AND the rest. But GM can't afford to make a losing mistake righ now.

Edit: Oh, and, thanks for the R&D guys. Now you can't have it. :(
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:52 AM   #4
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Now that is a damn shame. Gonna be a lot o pissed off people across the pond and 'down under.
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I wonder what else is goinging to get cut??
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Old 03-15-2010, 03:00 AM   #7
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I have to say, that is piss poor. Aussie V8's sell very well here (Australia), and the Camaro would have given us something better to look at than the Falcon GT and HSV GTS, which are essentially big V8 four doors.

There are people paying $140k AUD (approx $125k USD) for Gen 5 Camaros being converted to RHD by small import shops. We had expectations of having to pay $75k+ for a GM delivered RHD Camaro SS, which fits right into the typical V8 pricing segment.

I'll have to put my money where it was going to go originally (before Lutz said the Camaro was coming out here), i.e. into a BMW M3 or a C63 AMG. At least the Germans are willing to invest in exporting RHD models to foreign markets... it's a shame though, the Camaro gives a bit of classic styling and a very obvious muscle look! Bugger!
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Old 03-15-2010, 03:27 AM   #8
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anyone else notice the pic on the front page is just a flipped standard LHD car. Camaro is backwards on the steering wheel and the pedals are in the wrong order. But it is a shame there wont be any RHD cars, for now at least. Everybody should be able to drive one of these great cars, LHD or RHD!!
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Old 03-15-2010, 04:10 AM   #9
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That's cool. We're priority number 1

Maybe they oughtta drive on the right side of the road
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anyone else notice the pic on the front page is just a flipped standard LHD car. Camaro is backwards on the steering wheel and the pedals are in the wrong order. But it is a shame there wont be any RHD cars, for now at least. Everybody should be able to drive one of these great cars, LHD or RHD!!
I did actually
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:17 AM   #12
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Well there are still plenty of people that will ship a left hand drive Camaro across the pond and drive it! In the UK they have dealer in Manchester that sells Camaro's and Corvettes and is an authorised GM dealership. I drove a left hand drive Trans Am in the UK with no problem at all. You just get use to it after a short period of time!
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We have to have ours converted, unless they are 25+ years old. So in 2035, I can get a 2010 Camaro over here and leave it LHD ;-)

The alternative of paying $125k US for a converted, import is not appealing. They're a nice car, but that's a different league of car, and I couldn't handle paying 3x the real price!
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:30 AM   #14
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It's time to make changes.

Come on, japan, GB, australia, india I guess ... maybe it's now time for them to realize that the whole world drives on the other side. Maybe it's time for them to change the law, people aren't that stupid, within a year or two english peole would drive LH without even remembering they drove RH before.

Just the same with the metric system. USA is the only country (I guess) using the two systems, just go to the metric like the whole world and "basta"!
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:54 AM   #15
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It's a shame, most of the world has not had the exposure to this car. That's why I beleive the interest is lower. I think they would sell more than enough to justify the change. GM right now just lacks the confidence to make the investment. Their playing it safe so the haters out there can't second guess them.
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:57 AM   #16
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:01 AM   #17
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Sorry to hear this for all of the other British colonies that didn't thumb their noses at the idea of RHD years ago. This is a real bummer for them.

I will drink my next beer left handed in their honor.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:39 AM   #19
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Aussie cars never sold well here. Perhaps it will be the same with American cars there. I'm sure there was a lot of research done and the numbers didn't make sense. This comes after they announced that the 6th gen would be a global car and made lighter to appeal to the european market. My guess would be that interest just wasn't high enough for the tooling costs. The money is now being spent on the Z28!
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I wonder if the Z/28 is going to follow...

I don't think GM would MASS produce the Z/28, as it should have a BIG engine...
it would hurt their fuel economy #'s for other cars.
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Wow sucks for Australia....weren't they some of the first to test this thing out way back early in development?
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Now that is a damn shame. Gonna be a lot o pissed off people across the pond and 'down under.
Yes, but not nearly enough to justify the investment. If it were truly "a lot", then there probably would have been a good business case.

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This wasn't a cut, it was a proposal that didn't pass the smell test.

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It's a shame, most of the world has not had the exposure to this car. That's why I beleive the interest is lower. I think they would sell more than enough to justify the change. GM right now just lacks the confidence to make the investment. Their playing it safe so the haters out there can't second guess them.
It's not a matter of confidence. It's simply a matter of how many can you sell. There are pretty good methods for making that determination. Although sometimes GM will take a risk on an unknown, the Camaro is a known commodity and there are pretty good ways to determine how many could be sold in a given market.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:55 AM   #24
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Only about 90% of the development...

Strip off the top Half and you have an all Australian Holden Commodore.

Amazing how much difference a day makes.....
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"I think you can pretty much count on a right-hand drive Camaro," Lutz said. "The Camaro at some point will be factory right-hand drive, that is what we are currently looking at with a great deal of focus; be built in the plant in Canada and shipped from here in right-hand drive for right-hand drive markets. Why not?

"Most of the parts are there, all we have to do is reverse the instrument panel. All the right-hand drive bits are a given because of the fact it is a Holden architecture."
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We had expectations of having to pay $75k+ for a GM delivered RHD Camaro SS, which fits right into the typical V8 pricing segment.
HS! Aussies get fleeced when it comes to cars!
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