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Old 03-17-2010, 12:50 PM   #26
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just throwing it out there but wouldnt the z06/zr1 brakes fit as well like gm did on the jay leno camaro
There is a big difference between the Z06 and ZR1 brakes. Leno's camaro is on my coilovers, but I don't remember which brakes are on the car. Did it have ZR1?
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So, I remember the Z06 brakes, at least used to have seperate pads for each piston and I think the ZR1s went to single pads per side of the disk. These look kinda' like ZR1 calipers; is that right?
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Old 03-17-2010, 01:26 PM   #28
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ZR1 Brakes are not what most would consider cost effective.

In what must be a very sweet moment for a longtime Corvette engineer, Juechter notes that the monster 15-inch Brembo carbon-ceramic rotors fitted as standard to the ZR1's rear wheels are the brakes originally designed for the front of Ferrari's 650-hp Enzo supercar. In the front of the ZR1, you'll find even larger 15.5-inch carbon-ceramic units.

Juechter says, "The only vehicle I know of that has these brakes as standard equipment is the 1,000-hp Bugatti Veyron." Then he adds with a grin, "Although I think you can get them as a $20,000 option on the Ferrari 599."
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ZR1 Brakes are not what most would consider cost effective.

In what must be a very sweet moment for a longtime Corvette engineer, Juechter notes that the monster 15-inch Brembo carbon-ceramic rotors fitted as standard to the ZR1's rear wheels are the brakes originally designed for the front of Ferrari's 650-hp Enzo supercar. In the front of the ZR1, you'll find even larger 15.5-inch carbon-ceramic units.

Juechter says, "The only vehicle I know of that has these brakes as standard equipment is the 1,000-hp Bugatti Veyron." Then he adds with a grin, "Although I think you can get them as a $20,000 option on the Ferrari 599."
I was just thinking calipers, but I don't know if they're the same cost as the rotors. I remembered reading that, but didn't articulate myself clearly, lol.

And yes - they aren't cost-effective for me, lol.
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Old 03-17-2010, 01:59 PM   #30
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yeh i was refering to the z06 calipers, i was just wondering because you can get them new for a decent price, so i was wondering if they would fit on the camaro hubs with the cts v brakes, just trying to see what else might work, as the ctsv brakes are awsome but $$$$$ i am getting the lt so i think the 6piston fronts might be way too over kill might just stick with the ss upgrade
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I'm assuming since the SS brakes will fit on the V6 as long as you have large enough wheels, that these will also. However, I'm unsure if the brake lines will work for this type of setup, or if the master cylinder would have to be replaced to handle the much (much!) larger brake system. Any insights?

If it could work, I'd gladly add this to my list of future mods.
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Pete, Could someone upgrade ONLY the Front brake setup with the CTS-V parts?

It appears the REAR Calipers,Rotor size, and pads are the same as the Camaro Rear.. Correct? Do you gain anything by upgrading the rear setup? From your writeup in the first post, it seems as if you did it so the caliper colors would match.

I can see a benefit to doing the front setup.. not sure what you gained from swapping the rear setup.
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I'm assuming since the SS brakes will fit on the V6 as long as you have large enough wheels, that these will also. However, I'm unsure if the brake lines will work for this type of setup, or if the master cylinder would have to be replaced to handle the much (much!) larger brake system. Any insights?

If it could work, I'd gladly add this to my list of future mods.
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You would need to see if the Master Cylinder for the brakes is the same between the V-6 and the V-8. Someone needs to check with a GM service center and compare part #'s between the two models for the braking systems.
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Pete, Could someone upgrade ONLY the Front brake setup with the CTS-V parts?

It appears the REAR Calipers,Rotor size, and pads are the same as the Camaro Rear.. Correct? Do you gain anything by upgrading the rear setup? From your writeup in the first post, it seems as if you did it so the caliper colors would match.

I can see a benefit to doing the front setup.. not sure what you gained from swapping the rear setup.
Aside from matching the color and doing the test fit there is no perfromance reason to change out the rear caliper. I'll get the front only cost from Witt Buick Pedders and post it here.
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You would need to see if the Master Cylinder for the brakes is the same between the V-6 and the V-8. Someone needs to check with a GM service center and compare part #'s between the two models for the braking systems.
You're right about needing acess to a GM service center at times. That is why I really appreciate the access I have at Witt, especially when doing GM based R & D. The master cyclinders are different on a six. Full retail on a new master is ONLY $123.81 so we are not talking big bucks. If there is a six owner looking to upgrade we would like to do it here at Witt. Then we can post the results here.
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You're right about needing acess to a GM service center at times. That is why I really appreciate the access I have at Witt, especially when doing GM based R & D. The master cyclinders are different on a six. Full retail on a new master is ONLY $123.81 so we are not talking big bucks. If there is a six owner looking to upgrade we would like to do it here at Witt. Then we can post the results here.
If nobody has done it yet by this summer you may just have a deal. I was already planning on getting it to you guys for some suspension work. Might as well do both at that time.
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If nobody has done it yet by this summer you may just have a deal. I was already planning on getting it to you guys for some suspension work. Might as well do both at that time.
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Awesome -- you'll get your over night in Muskegon hotel paid for by me.
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Juechter says, "The only vehicle I know of that has these brakes as standard equipment is the 1,000-hp Bugatti Veyron." Then he adds with a grin, "Although I think you can get them as a $20,000 option on the Ferrari 599."
Well, sort of. While the rotors are similar, the calipers on the Veryon are made by AP Racing, who engineered the brake system. Today, carbon-ceramics are optional on quite a few of the more expensive vehicles. They are fitted as standard on all 2010 Ferrari's. Whether or not the ZR-1 units are cost-effective is a subjective judgment.

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Awesome -- you'll get your over night in Muskegon hotel paid for by me.
Sounds like you've got yourself a deal. Probably won't be till later August or thereabouts, so I'll send you a PM when I get everything worked out.
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Sounds like you've got yourself a deal. Probably won't be till later August or thereabouts, so I'll send you a PM when I get everything worked out.
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Cool. After all the work Witt Buick Pedders did on this project they have earned a few retail suspension jobs. This brake project was something I really wanted to bring to the community. GM did a great job with the CTS-V and I can't remember the last time I could say I was proud to have Caddy parts on my car.

Pedders will not be making any money on the brakes. Not a penny. The Cadillac of Brakes for the Camaro is just one Camaro enthusiast bragging about his personal Camaro, GM and Cadillac.
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Great share, Pete... and kudo's to Witt.

Does Paul Tracy know about this yet???
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Great share, Pete... and kudo's to Witt.

Does Paul Tracy know about this yet???
Paul will be racing at Indy this year and I will be attending the Indy 500 for the first time. 1st Indy, Paul Tracy, Pit Passes -- can it get any better? The answer is yes, but I can't say any more at this time.
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Pete, Could someone upgrade ONLY the Front brake setup with the CTS-V parts?

It appears the REAR Calipers,Rotor size, and pads are the same as the Camaro Rear.. Correct? Do you gain anything by upgrading the rear setup? From your writeup in the first post, it seems as if you did it so the caliper colors would match.

I can see a benefit to doing the front setup.. not sure what you gained from swapping the rear setup.
CTS-V Front Calipers, Rotors, Pads and Lines are $2,075. Witt Buick Pedders will install them including fluid and full ABS bleed for $2,349.99.
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Cool. After all the work Witt Buick Pedders did on this project they have earned a few retail suspension jobs. This brake project was something I really wanted to bring to the community. GM did a great job with the CTS-V and I can't remember the last time I could say I was proud to have Caddy parts on my car.

Pedders will not be making any money on the brakes. Not a penny. The Cadillac of Brakes for the Camaro is just one Camaro enthusiast bragging about his personal Camaro, GM and Cadillac.
Well our V6s has the Caddy motor
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This is the first time I heard that you need a programmer/scan-tool to do a full brake bleed.

So, if I want to completely flush my brake fluid, I need a programmer?
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Very impressice set up I'd do that
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This is the first time I heard that you need a programmer/scan-tool to do a full brake bleed.

So, if I want to completely flush my brake fluid, I need a programmer?
No. It is not necessary unless the system has been run dry, or at least to the point air has entered the ABS manifold. You can swap the brake calipers, brake lines and/or flush the fluid without needing to cycle the ABS valves. Standard bleeding practices apply. Some GM vehicles (like the Hummer H3) do require a special procedure to open the rear circuit (it's in the service manual), but the Camaro's I've seen don't require this.
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Very, very nice innovation guys!!! Perfect write-up!
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would it be possible to post a parts list with part numbers so if we have our own in with parts we can follow in your footsteps?
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first off. WOW. just wow. that is an awesome swap

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If you would like to order a turn key kit you can call Arthur at Witt Buick Pedders (231) 722-3771 for $3,400 including the Pedders SS lines.
thats not that bad considering its coming from a caddy...
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You're right about needing acess to a GM service center at times. That is why I really appreciate the access I have at Witt, especially when doing GM based R & D. The master cyclinders are different on a six. Full retail on a new master is ONLY $123.81 so we are not talking big bucks. If there is a six owner looking to upgrade we would like to do it here at Witt. Then we can post the results here.
cant wait to see that!
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CTS-V Front Calipers, Rotors, Pads and Lines are $2,075. Witt Buick Pedders will install them including fluid and full ABS bleed for $2,349.99.
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would it be possible to post a parts list with part numbers so if we have our own in with parts we can follow in your footsteps?
you could contact Witt Buick Pedders and see if they could give you the parts list.
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