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Old 09-26-2008, 09:39 AM   #1
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Looks like there is finally proof, the Manual IS Quicker....

Here is a quote from a discussion someone had with a person that ACTUALLY has tested the new camaro. I knew this was going to be the case all along. People had the times backwards as I thought. 4.6 for MT 4.9 for AT

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After Al announced 0-60 in 4.6 at the Summit the other night, I walked over and asked him specifically if that time was for the stick or the auto, since I was also under the impression that the auto was supposed to be faster.
Al replied replied that the 4.6 time was indeed, for the stick and that he was the one who actually wrung that time out of the car.
To confirm, I then said, "So the manual is quicker?" and his response was, "Yeah, by a couple of ticks."

... and the manual is actually now very easy to launch with the new Launch Control feature that's available on the SS. Al explained during the info session yesterday that in the right setting, just get the revs up and dump the clutch... and the car takes off with optimal grip. "It will make for very consistent times", was how Al described it.

He also added that they had just found there was actually a little bit of brake drag from the Brembos, and that he would be looking forward to a little better time once that gets ironed
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Old 09-26-2008, 09:41 AM   #2
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Sweet... This news makes me happy seeing I'll be getting a 6-spd.

So the same should apply with the Aisin 6spd manual for the V6?
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Old 09-26-2008, 09:45 AM   #3
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No idea, but I am glad this is finally resolved. It was amazing how many people jumped on the AT is faster bandwagon with information that had absolutely no merit. And it spread like WILDFIRE.

I knew all along that this wasn't going to be the case when they actually start to test it. With more HP and TQ, less weight, and launch control the MT can't possibly be slower (with a good driver) But no one listened to reason, I am just glad there is a solid test out there and from the sound of it they may be able to squeeze out another tenth or two when they fix the brake issue

MT looks like it will be a high 12's car. AT will be a low 13's car
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Old 09-26-2008, 09:54 AM   #4
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Thats good I Like........., But the Chally is going to be on that ass with our 0-60 in 4.9
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:09 AM   #5
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:14 AM   #6
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Now that more like it! I really looking forward to buy my first NEW car with a manual
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:18 AM   #7
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he said a couple of ticks slower for the auto which means (2) so the automatic should be 4.8 not 4.9 at it's quickest then
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:19 AM   #8
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Thats good I Like........., But the Chally is going to be on that ass with our 0-60 in 4.9
Oh please!
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Wow, 4.6 on the 0-60 mph on the manual with launch control. Impressive!
I wonder what it would do after I install a magnacharger, headers and a less restrictive exhaust...low 4's I hope.
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he said a couple of ticks slower for the auto which means (2) so the automatic should be 4.8 not 4.9 at it's quickest then
I think you are nit picking a littttle much lol.
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Wow, 4.6 on the 0-60 mph on the manual with launch control. Impressive!
I wonder what it would do after I install a magnacharger, headers and a less restrictive exhaust...low 4's I hope.
Honestly it could actually run slower if you don't get better suspension and rubber to put that power to the ground. You might spin all the way through 60 mph
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guys this cant be true, the auto has optimized shift points, i mean OPTIMIZED SHIFT POINTS.
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:35 AM   #13
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guys this cant be true, the auto has optimized shift points, i mean OPTIMIZED SHIFT POINTS.

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Honestly it could actually run slower if you don't get better suspension and rubber to put that power to the ground. You might spin all the way through 60 mph
Yep, you are right. Some R compounds to grip better and avoid a fireworks show on takeoff
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guys this cant be true, the auto has optimized shift points, i mean OPTIMIZED SHIFT POINTS.
Yes, but "optimized" isn't always "optimal", in all conditions. Sorry; but you take the human reflexive factor out of it and you're going to lose something. The computer can't compensate for environmental surprises or shift when it's most advantageous against your opponent or for the surface/ terrain you're dealing with. Optimized shift points might help you on a straightaway on a track but for driving performance in the real world, nothing beats a manual.

You might think that I am somewhat of a stick snob. Really; I just think a car with this much performance deserves the attention and skill of its driver to get the best out of it, and I like the control and flexibility of a manual. I'm somewhat relieved the manual proved to be faster, if this is indeed truth. I have to admit it didn't make much sense to me either.

But having said that; before I get flamed by everyone on here who loves automatics, let me just say that I perfectly understand why some people drive them and prefer them. I just have my reasons for preferring the manual, as stated above.

BTW, I don't know much about paddle shifters... but I still prefer the clutch and shifter to them, too. It just feels better, IMHO.
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No idea, but I am glad this is finally resolved. It was amazing how many people jumped on the AT is faster bandwagon with information that had absolutely no merit. And it spread like WILDFIRE.

I knew all along that this wasn't going to be the case when they actually start to test it. With more HP and TQ, less weight, and launch control the MT can't possibly be slower (with a good driver) But no one listened to reason, I am just glad there is a solid test out there and from the sound of it they may be able to squeeze out another tenth or two when they fix the brake issue

MT looks like it will be a high 12's car. AT will be a low 13's car
Hoping for better than that. I'm looking for something around these times.

MT - 12.6-12.7 (Average driver)
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Hoping for better than that. I'm looking for something around these times.

MT - 12.6-12.7 (Average driver)
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Yes, but "optimized" isn't always "optimal", in all conditions. Sorry; but you take the human reflexive factor out of it and you're going to lose something. The computer can't compensate for environmental surprises or shift when it's most advantageous against your opponent or for the surface/ terrain you're dealing with. Optimized shift points might help you on a straightaway on a track but for driving performance in the real world, nothing beats a manual.

You might think that I am somewhat of a stick snob. Really; I just think a car with this much performance deserves the attention and skill of its driver to get the best out of it, and I like the control and flexibility of a manual. I'm somewhat relieved the manual proved to be faster, if this is indeed truth. I have to admit it didn't make much sense to me either.

But having said that; before I get flamed by everyone on here who loves automatics, let me just say that I perfectly understand why some people drive them and prefer them. I just have my reasons for preferring the manual, as stated above.

BTW, I don't know much about paddle shifters... but I still prefer the clutch and shifter to them, too. It just feels better, IMHO.


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Old 09-26-2008, 11:16 AM   #19
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was sarcasm my friend

Oh; ok. Well, I still stand by what I said!

Sorry, that whole "no tone of voice" thing on the internet....

I was wondering what mblock66 thought was funny.
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Launch Control?

Launch controll is mentioned and i am wondering what it takes to set. I have seen some videos of different cars where to it takes a few seconds to set due to the number of switches that are involved.

My question is will you be able to use launch control at the dragstrip or will the light be green while you are flipping switches?
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Launch controll is mentioned and i am wondering what it takes to set. I have seen some videos of different cars where to it takes a few seconds to set due to the number of switches that are involved.

My question is will you be able to use launch control at the dragstrip or will the light be green while you are flipping switches?
Wouldn't you want to set before the lights even start?
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was sarcasm my friend
oh you're good. had me there for a sec

personally, ever since first driving stick, i was converted. manual guy for life!
but i have my reasons for going with auto on the Camaro, once i get it.

manual is still my prefered choice
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Hoping for better than that. I'm looking for something around these times.

MT - 12.6-12.7 (Average driver)
AT - 12.7-12.9 (Average driver)
Of course that would be nice. But I think it will come that close to a corvette. I think IMO

MT - 12.9-13.0 (Average driver)
AT - 13.0-13.1 (Average driver)

It does have lots of fat in the new camaro after all.
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Wouldn't you want to set before the lights even start?
I thought there was discussion with the GT-R that you have to do everything while not moving so when you stage you have to start over?

Did some quick research and it looks like if you use launch control on a GT-R it voids the warranty so they make it diffucult to engage so that it can not be accidently engaged.
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