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Old 09-26-2008, 08:35 PM   #1
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FBodfather...How does the show team get black to look this good!?!

Scott...Can you let us all in on the secrets the show team uses to get black to look this awesome?

What steps are done after the initial paint job?

Any particular products your team uses to get and keep the mile deep mirror shine like this?

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Old 09-26-2008, 08:59 PM   #2
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they powder coat the whole car....



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Old 09-26-2008, 09:04 PM   #3
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yeah that shine is awsome!
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Old 09-26-2008, 09:08 PM   #4
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As an owner of a black 68, I can tell you that one of the best products I have come across to help keep down swirls, etc. is Zymol.......you apply it in a back and forth motion and remove it in a 90 degree back and forth motion while the product is still wet. I get comments all the time asking how or why don't I have swirl marks........there are some, but if you stay on top of it, they are not that noticeable. Zymol also makes the black blacker if they makes sense. It actually looks darker as you go across the car.

I can't answer how they have this car looking so good, but I would also imagine that there might be a little wetsanding going on after the car was completed.

I'm getting my 2010 in black though, so I really hope this is an early example of how I can expect to receive it..........
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:57 AM   #5
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That black does look good, but it will be a PITA to keep clean. You will be washing every day not every week.
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:05 AM   #6
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If someone has the secret to keeping a shine like that I'm definately getting black. That was my original choice but the lazy part of me says no black. Someone has to know the secret to the wet shine look.
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:30 AM   #7
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What I really want to know is if that car was painted on a production line. I've never seen GM paint that crisp or clear. Orange peel is something I've just come to expect from GM products.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:11 PM   #8
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What I really want to know is if that car was painted on a production line. I've never seen GM paint that crisp or clear. Orange peel is something I've just come to expect from GM products.
Since this is a pre-production car, I wouldn't be suprised if this one was "color" sanded and buffed to such a smooth finish.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:29 PM   #9
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Well however they did it, it looks fanstastic.

That paint looks like it was poured on....
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:34 PM   #10
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I have a black truck, I plan on getting my ss in black. Nothing like a black vehicle imo.
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Old 09-28-2008, 07:57 AM   #11
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Thats how new black paint looks on a new car that hasn't seen any daily driving. I'm sure it was also hand painted and color sanded.
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i would prefer if they had a Jet Black exterior also
it gives it a flatter look minus all the high maintenance
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:24 AM   #14
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Would the factory Camaro's machine painted look anything like this hand painted and color sanded black? Are they machine color sanded at factory at all? Just curious.. I too would like ot know what products were used as well to get this shine as it is the best I've ever seen on a black car before.. Also would it be possible to get a mirror shine like this with the cyber grey as I've never seen one freshly waxed in person ???
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All you need for the perfect car finish:

http://www.griotsgarage.com/

Their products are a little pricey, but they have a 100% satisfaction gaurantee (which I've tested), and they work as described. Some of the best detailing products I've ever used and I've used a bunch. These guys think of everything.

I use their clay bar with my random orbital, their machine polish 2 and 3, and their paint sealant once a year on all my vehicles to keep them looking like new.
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Old 10-03-2008, 11:27 AM   #16
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Would the factory Camaro's machine painted look anything like this hand painted and color sanded black? Are they machine color sanded at factory at all? Just curious.. I too would like ot know what products were used as well to get this shine as it is the best I've ever seen on a black car before.. Also would it be possible to get a mirror shine like this with the cyber grey as I've never seen one freshly waxed in person ???
Factory built cars are not color sanded and buffed. It takes too much time and effort. They may buff out a blemish here or there but never the entire car.

It would be interesting to make color sanding and buffing an option though, wouldn't it ? They could put a few extra coats of clear on the car and send it to a shop that color sands and polishes it. I'd pay an extra $1,500 for that option.
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All you need for the perfect car finish:

http://www.griotsgarage.com/

Their products are a little pricey, but they have a 100% satisfaction gaurantee (which I've tested), and they work as described. Some of the best detailing products I've ever used and I've used a bunch. These guys think of everything.

I use their clay bar with my random orbital, their machine polish 2 and 3, and their paint sealant once a year on all my vehicles to keep them looking like new.
That will make the finish you have look like new. But it won't give you the perfect finish.

The only way to get close to a "perfect" finish is to "color" sand and polish out all the orange peel and other imperfections. I put color in quotes becuase you're only sanding the clear coat on modern finishes.

Sanding and buffing the clear normally requires more coats of clear than what the factory puts on. Otherwise, you risk going through the clear. And sometimes by the time the car is delivered to you, the clear has hardened so much that it's difficult to sand and polish. Some clear coats have a limited window of time where it's best to do the sanding and polishing.
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That will make the finish you have look like new. But it won't give you the perfect finish.

The only way to get close to a "perfect" finish is to "color" sand and polish out all the orange peel and other imperfections. I put color in quotes becuase you're only sanding the clear coat on modern finishes.

Sanding and buffing the clear normally requires more coats of clear than what the factory puts on. Otherwise, you risk going through the clear. And sometimes by the time the car is delivered to you, the clear has hardened so much that it's difficult to sand and polish. Some clear coats have a limited window of time where it's best to do the sanding and polishing.
I'll agree with you for a show car, for a car that's actually gonna be driven though......that's a lot of expense to go to for the dings and chips you'll pick up from just driving.
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I'll agree with you for a show car, for a car that's actually gonna be driven though......that's a lot of expense to go to for the dings and chips you'll pick up from just driving.
True - but everyone is asking how that Black Camaro above looks so flawless, smooth and incredibly shiny. I'm betting it was color sanded and polished - not painted on a factory assembly line.

The dings and chips are one reason I avoid black cars anymore. They look great when new and all polished up. But after just short time driving, the areas behind the wheels look sandblasted. I guess that's why companies like 3M came out with clear protective stickers.
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That will make the finish you have look like new. But it won't give you the perfect finish.

The only way to get close to a "perfect" finish is to "color" sand and polish out all the orange peel and other imperfections. I put color in quotes becuase you're only sanding the clear coat on modern finishes.

Sanding and buffing the clear normally requires more coats of clear than what the factory puts on. Otherwise, you risk going through the clear. And sometimes by the time the car is delivered to you, the clear has hardened so much that it's difficult to sand and polish. Some clear coats have a limited window of time where it's best to do the sanding and polishing.

you a part right. get a show finish on the car, clay the whole vehical and ad the polish and shine it up. Zaino products are prefured here.
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Old 10-03-2008, 04:23 PM   #21
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you a part right. get a show finish on the car, clay the whole vehical and ad the polish and shine it up. Zaino products are prefured here.
I clay & polish my car every year. Doesn't make the finish any better than a new finish. Clay bars don't remove or smooth out paint, they remove contaminants stuck to the paint.

The only way to get close to a perfect, show car type of finish is to color sand the orange peel and other imperfections out. Color sanding levels out orange peel and gives you the ability to get that glass or mirror-like surface.

I'm pretty sure that the black Camaro shown in the beginning of this thread was not painted on a factory assembly line without any kind of color sanding and polishing.
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i would love to get this car in black but i'm kind of ocd when it comes to how things look. so i'll probably be killing myself trying to keep it clean.
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Factory built cars are not color sanded and buffed. It takes too much time and effort. They may buff out a blemish here or there but never the entire car.

It would be interesting to make color sanding and buffing an option though, wouldn't it ? They could put a few extra coats of clear on the car and send it to a shop that color sands and polishes it. I'd pay an extra $1,500 for that option.
Same here, I would pay extra for that option as well...
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The dings and chips are one reason I avoid black cars anymore. They look great when new and all polished up. But after just short time driving, the areas behind the wheels look sandblasted. I guess that's why companies like 3M came out with clear protective stickers.
3M clear protective stickers???
i need to look into that...
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Very easy to obtain, just takes time and LOTS and LOTS of coats of ZAINO!!!

You will obtain that mirror finish you are looking for. This is without a doubt the best stuff I have used.

Here is the link: http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc
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