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Old 09-27-2008, 01:28 AM   #1
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Competition VS Camaro SS

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....This is ^$^% awesome news that we just found out the manual has a 0-60 in 4.6 sec!!!!!! So, lets take a look at the competition versus the new Camaro SS and maybe we can sticky this INFO:
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2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8

6.1-Liter SRT HEMI V8 Engine

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425 hp and 420 lb.-ft of torque

MSRP Starting At $40,095.00
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2008 Shelby GT500 Mustang

5.4L V8 Engine

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500 hp and 480 lb.-ft. of torque

MSRP Starting At $42,170.00
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422 hp and 408 lb.-ft. of torque

MSRP Starting At $??,???.??(hopefully $29,995.00)
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2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8

Vehicle Curb Weight: 4,140 lbs.

0 to 60 mph: 4.8 sec (Car and Driver Test Results)

1/4 Mile Time: 13.3 sec (Car and Driver Test Results)
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2008 Shelby GT500 Mustang

Vehicle Curb Weight: 3,920 lbs.

0 to 60 mph: 4.5 seconds (Car and Driver Test Results)

1/4 Mile Time: 12.9 seconds (Car and Driver Test Results)
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2010 Camaro SS LS3

Vehicle Curb Weight: 3,860 lbs.

0 to 60 mph: 4.6 seconds (AT LEAST THIS LOW)

1/4 Mile Time: 12.9 seconds (AT LEAST THIS LOW)
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Is it me or does it look like the LS3 Camaro may be able to take on a GT500 stock for stock. The 4.6 sec has been confirmed and we are 99.999999% certain that the LS3 will do AT LEAST a 12.9 sec quarter mile. Just let car and driver get ahold of the LS3 Camaro and we will see it's true potential.

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Old 09-27-2008, 01:47 AM   #2
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Very nice! Why don't you add some pricing in the mix to make it even sweeter.
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:00 AM   #3
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Because pricing hesn't been revealed...
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:09 AM   #4
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Very nice! Why don't you add some pricing in the mix to make it even sweeter.
Just modified with pricing, the Camaro will hopefully be 10k less and come extremely close to outperforming both!!!
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:57 AM   #5
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Lets all hope so! Man i dont know if I want paddles or stick i was hoping ther wouldnt b that much difference between auto and stick gettin close to decision time
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You put some stickier tires on that 500 and we're going to be in trouble though. That car is pushing what, probably another 50 horse' to the tire (just a guess ) and that's before adding a pulley, exhaust, CAI, and tuning. I don't think that 500 could hold a candle in terms of handling but that's why I think it would be cool to see a 500-fighter. To a musclecar guy, power is everything (I said musclecar not pony or sports car because I'm a musclecar guy )
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:54 AM   #7
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Lets all hope so! Man i dont know if I want paddles or stick i was hoping ther wouldnt b that much difference between auto and stick gettin close to decision time
.2 is not THAT much of a difference ,who knows it may even be closer once we get the REAL numbers
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Is it me or does it look like the LS3 Camaro may be able to take on a GT500 stock for stock. The 4.6 sec has been confirmed and we are 99.999999% certain that the LS3 will do AT LEAST a 12.9 sec quarter mile. Just let car and driver get ahold of the LS3 Camaro and we will see it's true potential.
422hp vs 500hp in cars that weigh about the same. Yes, it's just you.
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Old 09-27-2008, 05:18 PM   #9
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422hp vs 500hp in cars that weigh about the same. Yes, it's just you.
You know that these similar 0-60 times has to mean something and the 2010 SS will hit a 12.9 just like the GT500. I believe the 2010 Camaro has been underated just like the 4th gen's were underated at 310bhp but actually had 350bhp. I know for a fact that at the time my WS6 was stock it had 310rwhp which is a good amount more than 310bhp. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2010 Camaro had 460bhp. I know that is still shy of 500 but lets just see what happens.
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Hey, where's the Challenger R/T and Mustang GT on there?
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Hey, where's the Challenger R/T and Mustang GT on there?
The thread said competition...
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The only thing these 0-60 times mean is that it is damn hard to launch a 500hp car. The Camaro will dyno ~380rwhp at best, that is what the same engine makes in the Corvette. The GT500 on the other hand will put down ~450rwhp. Once the cars hook up it is a simple matter of physics.
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The thread said competition...
oops. My bad. Buuut . . . now that I think about it, didn't they said the Camaro was going to be priced competitively with those cars
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The only thing these 0-60 times mean is that it is damn hard to launch a 500hp car. The Camaro will dyno ~380rwhp at best, that is what the same engine makes in the Corvette. The GT500 on the other hand will put down ~450rwhp. Once the cars hook up it is a simple matter of physics.
"Hook Up" is the key word, thats where the suspension comes into play, an IRS would have added 5k to the price of the GT500. I'm not saying the Camaro will massacre the GT500, I'm just saying it could be close. We also know the Camaro will have launch control.

Camaro = IRS
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Old 09-28-2008, 12:14 AM   #16
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The only thing these 0-60 times mean is that it is damn hard to launch a 500hp car. The Camaro will dyno ~380rwhp at best, that is what the same engine makes in the Corvette. The GT500 on the other hand will put down ~450rwhp. Once the cars hook up it is a simple matter of physics.
This is true. Although it's very disappointing to see a 12.9 second 1/4 mile out of the GT500. I've heard of them running faster. The SCd motors in Mustangs are notoriously strong. 03/04 Cobras give us GTO guys trouble and we're supposed to weigh about 50 pounds more and have 10 more hp. They also are known to dyno 380 to the wheels even though crank hp is supposed to be 390. Actually to say they give us trouble is an understatement. I've went head to head with them from roll races and kept dead even, but from a stop they're known to crush us.

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"Hook Up" is the key word, thats where the suspension comes into play, an IRS would have added 5k to the price of the GT500. I'm not saying the Camaro will massacre the GT500, I'm just saying it could be close. We also know the Camaro will have launch control.

Camaro = IRS
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IRS Pwnz Live Axle

Here is a video describing the GT500:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...ang_179575.htm
That quote about IRS adding 5k to the GT500 from top gear is old news. IRS does "pwn" a live axle, but not necessarily in a drag strip launch. I would've figured a 4th gen F-body owner would know this. The live axles are known for hooking up better than IRS. That's why Ford claims they didn't bother to update the rear suspension to independent in the GT500. It was just as much a factor as cost. People didn't want it because they wanted to do the drag racing and the live axle is known for being able to handle more power. GTO owners switch to live axles to put down huge hp numbers.

I would say a 12.9 second 1/4 mile may be possible from a Camaro but I have my doubts that the average driver will hit that time. And also, coming up on any of these cars on the street it'll be a driver's race. Camaro will have the edge against everything stock from it's class. The GT500 is a different story. That much more power means that it'll typically crush you. I've raced them on teh highway and with their 100hp advantage over my car, weight isn't much of an issue on the highway, just dynamics. They just take off and pull harder than I can. I bet it'll be the same for the Camaro. From a stop, it'll be up to the driver to get the jump in the launch, but if the GT500 driver is worth his salt, he'll pull on the Camaro even if he manages to blow the launch.

Not bashing or doubting the prowess of the Camaro, just stating facts. Like Craig said, it's simple physics. Launch control will give you a chance of beating the 'stang off the line, but after that with similar dynamics, gearing and weight, the GT500 will pull ahead.
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I have read a few places that the Challenger R/T with manual transmission ran a 13.6 1/4 mile. That is the R/T people!!! 4200lbs!! 376~ or whatever hp. Tht is impressive. I hate to say it but the SRT8s will be going high 12's themselves I am sure. The Camaro SS will too. I've read in a very few spots hereand there that I cannot seem to find anymore that someone ran the protosype SS to a 12.5 1/4 mile. I wish I could find it, maybe I dreamed it. Maybe it is just hoping to much. haha. Anyway it should all get very interesting in a few more months.
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I have read a few places that the Challenger R/T with manual transmission ran a 13.6 1/4 mile. That is the R/T people!!! 4200lbs!! 376~ or whatever hp. Tht is impressive. I hate to say it but the SRT8s will be going high 12's themselves I am sure. The Camaro SS will too. I've read in a very few spots hereand there that I cannot seem to find anymore that someone ran the protosype SS to a 12.5 1/4 mile. I wish I could find it, maybe I dreamed it. Maybe it is just hoping to much. haha. Anyway it should all get very interesting in a few more months.
The R/T is supposed to weigh around 4000 I think. And the engine may be under rated a bit.
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Old 10-24-2008, 10:14 PM   #21
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yo!! yeah fellas the R/T is definatly under-rated... just like 4th Gen. Camaros, think about the motor it has...
390hp for the '09 Ram... but they advertise 370 for the 5.7 Challenger...
And when the SRT comes with the stick and the TREMEC 6060 like it does this year... you better beleive that people will lay down 12.9 easy... I've seen other SRT cars times, putting down 12.6 and 12.7 consistently... So be care-full... better hope launch control is what it is... and those paddle shifts work like they do on GT-R's or that HEMI will pull like a mother...
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You put some stickier tires on that 500 and we're going to be in trouble though. That car is pushing what, probably another 50 horse' to the tire (just a guess ) and that's before adding a pulley, exhaust, CAI, and tuning. I don't think that 500 could hold a candle in terms of handling but that's why I think it would be cool to see a 500-fighter. To a musclecar guy, power is everything (I said musclecar not pony or sports car because I'm a musclecar guy )
Put stickier tires, SUPERCHARGER, pulley, exhaust, and tuning on the LS3 and the 500 will seem like a 2 ton pylon.
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I've read in a very few spots here and there that I cannot seem to find anymore that someone ran the protosype SS to a 12.5 1/4 mile.
Yep...I heard 12.4 `1/4 mile. Maybe that was the driver mod?...perfect day...perfect temp...perfect everything...
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At Gingerman raceway, my SRA gave me no problems with handling whatsoever.
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