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Old 03-31-2010, 09:29 AM   #101
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is there a warrenty offered with this kit? or for extra?
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:28 AM   #102
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Any more videos or pics of the install? I saw the SS video on their site, pretty cool.
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:34 PM   #103
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I readily admit that I don't know a great deal about SAE correction factors, but why is the torque and horsepower crossover point around 5850 rpm versus the 5252 figure that the horsepower formula is actually computed from? I'm not disputing the results in power - just wondering if the scale isn't shifted 500 rpm to the right by mistake (which means the peak would come earlier than later).
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I readily admit that I don't know a great deal about SAE correction factors, but why is the torque and horsepower crossover point around 5850 rpm versus the 5252 figure that the horsepower formula is actually computed from? I'm not disputing the results in power - just wondering if the scale isn't shifted 500 rpm to the right by mistake (which means the peak would come earlier than later).
Because they aren't using the same scale for the graph. Similarly, it looks like both peak at the same level, whereas horsepower is at 400 and torque is at 350.

The numbers on the left of the graph are for horsepower and the numbers on the right are for torque.
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:21 PM   #105
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I readily admit that I don't know a great deal about SAE correction factors, but why is the torque and horsepower crossover point around 5850 rpm versus the 5252 figure that the horsepower formula is actually computed from? I'm not disputing the results in power - just wondering if the scale isn't shifted 500 rpm to the right by mistake (which means the peak would come earlier than later).
That is what happens to the Graph when the HP and Torque on on Opposite sides.

The HP and TQ still crosses at 5252 RPM you would have to run the courser over the graph to see it.

Or put both HP and TQ on the same side of the graph.
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Because they aren't using the same scale for the graph. Similarly, it looks like both peak at the same level, whereas horsepower is at 400 and torque is at 350.

The numbers on the left of the graph are for horsepower and the numbers on the right are for torque.
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I understand the torque and horsepower scale on the right and left margins. They definitely show the amount of power produced and I am not questioning that. I am merely questioning the when, because horsepower is based on a formula of torque produced over a period of time. Here's a great article explaining it - <http://www.howstuffworks.com/question622.htm>)



Essentially, all horsepower and torque graphs will meet at 5252 due to the formula for horsepower. I'm guessing the RPM label is wrong and the band occurs a little lower.
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I understand the torque and horsepower scale on the right and left margins. They definitely show the amount of power produced and I am not questioning that. I am merely questioning the when, because horsepower is based on a formula of torque produced over a period of time. Here's a great article explaining it - <http://www.howstuffworks.com/question622.htm>)



Essentially, all horsepower and torque graphs will meet at 5252 due to the formula for horsepower. I'm guessing the RPM label is wrong and the band occurs a little lower.
Yes, but because they use a DIFFERENT scale, the fact that the lines cross does not mean that the power and torque are the same at that point. I guarantee that if you took the actual number, it would be the same at 5252 rpms.
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:50 PM   #108
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DAMN! I just saw the dyno #'s, very nice So 6K for the kit, does that include the tune? Frick, very impressive I am looking at 4K for the NA stuff I'm doing at it's going to be 1/2 the HP gain of the turbo kit at best/if I'm lucky.

This should make the V6 crowds happy for sure
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:58 PM   #109
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Very nice! That's gonna make a lot of people happy

Now, my question is, can the drive train take all that power? I mean, that's V8 territory here, and they have stronger components. Are we going to need to upgrade?
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Old 03-31-2010, 03:02 PM   #110
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Very nice! That's gonna make a lot of people happy

Now, my question is, can the drive train take all that power? I mean, that's V8 territory here, and they have stronger components. Are we going to need to upgrade?
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isn't the transmission (a6) rated at appr. 325 ft lb?
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We are going to put it on the track at C5Fest so we will find out if the dive train can stand up!

Also, the 24"s in the back are going to add to the centrifugal mass to really push the drivetrains limits, lol.
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Old 03-31-2010, 03:10 PM   #113
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isn't the transmission (a6) rated at appr. 325 ft lb?
SPECIFICATIONS: HYDRA-MATIC 6L5

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Six speed RWD / AWD, electronically controlled automatic overdrive transmission with torque converter clutch. Clutch-to-clutch architecture, with integral Electro / Hydraulic Controls Module

Maximum engine power: 315 bhp (235 kW)

Maximum engine torque:332 lb-ft (450 Nm)

Maximum gearbox torque:480 lb-ft (651Nm)
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This would mean that we most definitely need some upgrades. Right?


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SPECIFICATIONS: HYDRA-MATIC 6L5

Hydra-Matic 6L50 (MYB)

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Holy crap that's a lot of power. Would even an SS transmission be rated high enough?
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what is in the L99's? 6L80's right? I'm sure there's a difference in power handing, but is it simply a matter of quality of material being better? Would it seem feasible to swap in the 6L80 in direct replacement of the 6L50?
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:39 AM   #118
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I have a near mint 1953 MG-TD, right hand drive, black on yellow convertable for sale if someone wants to cough up some cash so i can get this turbo. :P
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This would mean that we most definitely need some upgrades. Right?
Maybe... maybe not... Automatic tend to take abuse a bit better than a manual.... With an automatic there is no dumping the clutch, "shocking" the rest of the drive train... with an automatic you can easily "pre-load" the drive train, so when you launch from a stop, you aren't slamming things together...

The other thing, is a turbo, while making a lot of boost early, it doesn't come on super harsh, like say N20, which comes on like a light switch!

What kind of tires do you plan on running? Most guys here will be running street tires... perhaps a few will run Drag Radials... Hopefully your tires will be your "weak link" and will spin before you break things...

Tuning can also play bit part here too... Leave some to the torque management in... and make sure the shifts are nice and firm, so there's not a lot of slipping...
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Agree with Scrming. Tranny will hold up like old power glide....hmmm they still use those? 200R hmmmm yup they still those too? I know this all early in this process but I 've dynoed enough to not like how wavy the graph looks! And also I want STS to find the limit of tune. 6psi come on turn it up till ya break sh*t then turn it down....you guys get the write off not me.
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Also the graph looks like it fell over between 5000 and 7000rpm. should still be climbing.....looks like theres more tuning left to me.
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Agree with Scrming. Tranny will hold up like old power glide....hmmm they still use those? 200R hmmmm yup they still those too? I know this all early in this process but I 've dynoed enough to not like how wavy the graph looks! And also I want STS to find the limit of tune. 6psi come on turn it up till ya break sh*t then turn it down....you guys get the write off not me.
Like the way you think... turn it up til she breaks... then back it off a notch...
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Graph looks like my heart beat in morning before a smoke! LOL. She looks like it could smooth her out abit and get more. And I just think there more in that 2500rpm up top. This engine is designed more like a GSXR/R1/RR, those engines pull best up top. Those 4 valve heads should breeth better being forced and also you can change cam timing to make more air. But from everything I seen here the ECM is got the tuners relearning their math....Kinda like a tuner car with more parameters??? Remember the good Qjet....the first computer??? Much easier than what these guys are dealing with! My hat is off to these guys, very difficult job.
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