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Old 09-27-2008, 08:52 AM   #1
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Arrow Camaro in the Snow

Hey, this is my first post on the site, and I hope you guys can help me. I'm 16 and i'm looking at the camaro for my first car. Heres the only problem: the snow. My dad said I can get the camaro, but he said because its rear wheel drive it won't be as good in the snow, so i won't be able to drive it that much. My sister has a mustang (i don't buy into the whole rivalry, if its an awesome car, i like it ) and it is terrible in the snow... to the point of being undriveable. Does anyone know if the camaro is going to be any better in the snow? it only snows a few times badly a winter here in Jersey, but i wanna be able to drive it all year round... thanks guys
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:06 AM   #2
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Just stay home when it snows. its not like we get much around here anymore. Plus the way people drive around here in the snow, I would not even risk taking mine out.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:11 AM   #3
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Hi there! A fellow Jersey boy Im up here in Morris County. It depends what trim you are getting. For example, the LS's fat skinny tires should be much better than the tires on the RS or SS. The Camaro also has traction control so it wont be TOO bad. Also, the more power you have, the trickier the car is in the snow, so the V6 LS/LT with the 17-19'' rims should be the best in the snow.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:24 AM   #4
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As a former owner of a GEN 3 V-8 powered Rocket Sled during my high school years, I can tell you with certainty that any rear wheel drive coupe is terrible in the snow.....I don't care if it has traction control, what kind of tires it has, etc.....there is no weight holding the drive wheels down.

You can get it, but you will be tempted to drive it in the snow (as I was)....its not fun being unable to get around in the snow, getting stuck, etc. the CAMARO is an awesome ride, but not a great choice for an only car where you live.

I'd say for a first car where you live, a nice SUV would be better suited to maximize your fun (the ability to carry about 5 cheer-leaders in it whose boyfriends all have rear wheel drive cars and can't go out in snow is never a bad thing)
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:29 AM   #5
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The Camaro wouldn't be a good car for a new driver. You need something underpowered and inexpensive to repair. You will make mistakes. We all did. One of the kids I graduated high school with, Nathan, his dad bought him a new Corvette for graduation. He never made it to the ceremony. This was 1978, in Altoona, Pennsylvania, for those who wish it can be verified in the Altoona Mirror.

Get a few years of experience under your belt, then go for the sports car.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:41 AM   #6
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I'll try and drop some info on the positive side of the coin here. (Although I agree a 300 HP car is too much for most new drivers, snow or sun.)

The snow worthiness was addressed at Indy. The all season tires (code AL2 I think) have 80% the performance needed to be rated as a snow tire. Plus the new Camaro come standard with stability control as well as traction control. It will be much more manageable in the bad weather than many FWDs with all season tires. The Camaro Engineer even stated he had couldn't get his G8 sideways in the Detroit winter snow.

Thats not to say the new Camaro will be plowing through snow banks, but it should be a much better than what we snow belt people have come to expect from RWD + Horsepower + Snow = No Go.
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Old 09-27-2008, 10:22 AM   #7
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If you do decide to get the Camaro and drive it in snow conditions I'd recommend buying a second set of cheap rims and put a good set of snow tires on them, not an "All Season" tire, but a SNOW tire, studded if legal, sipped if not. Then put about 100lbs of bags of floor dry or kitty litter in the trunk for weight, and it can also be used as a traction aide when you do get stuck. Don't know if the Camaro will have enough wheel well clearance for chains or not, but if so, a set of chains would be good to have for the "awe sh**" situations.
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Old 09-27-2008, 10:27 AM   #8
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what does stabilatrak do?


i thought it helps in slippery conditions?
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Old 09-27-2008, 10:54 AM   #9
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I can tell you with certainty that any rear wheel drive coupe is terrible in the snow.....I don't care if it has traction control, what kind of tires it has, etc....
My Fieros have all been champions in the snow. They were all also rear wheel drive coupes.

Also, I'd like to corroborate some of what others have stated here:

1: 16? First car? Seriously man, drive it like you're a 65-year-old retiree all summer. Go buy an old pickup for winter driving. I know the last thing you want to hear is someone older than you tell you what to do, how to drive, WHAT to drive, but you're going to wreck your first car in the snow. Maybe sooner. Wouldn't you rather it be a 1984 Ford Ranger with speed holes and not your beloved camaro?
2: I get sick to death of the "RWD=crap snow car" crowd. My 77 firebird formula with no positraction went everywhere my buddy's Infiniti G20 went. Further in some cases. You can't just make a knee-jerk statement that blankets everything. With the advanced stability and traction control systems these cars have standard on even the LS, they will be a far cry from my old Firebird. Use some conventional wisdom like someone already said by putting winter tires on it with some extra weight in the trunk and you will have a fairly solid winter runner. That being said...
3. Driving well is a skill. Driving well in the winter is an entirely different skill set. No tips can help, you've just got to learn it by feel. Just remember, slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.
4. Most importantly, life is too short to drive boring cars! Front drive is totally overrated as a snow-friendly layout. Engine over drive wheels is not the panacea to the low-traction conditions of winter. There are many things about RWD snow dynamics which I MUCH prefer to FWD, oversteer versus understeer the most primary among them.

Do what you want, man, but don't wreck your new camaro, I implore you!
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:20 PM   #10
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Driving a Camaro in snow will most likely be hell on Earth. I'm sticking to the Malibu during winter.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:29 PM   #11
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Also, Schnee, nice username for your first post.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:32 PM   #12
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everybody's been really helpful... the comment about an old pickup... the other option i have is to drive my dad's expedition during the really bad weather. it only snows really badly twice or three times a year here, so i'd be able to drive the camaro mostly every day. about the camaro being my first car, in new jersey you get your permit at 16 and license at 17, and ive been driving my sister's mustang for 6 months now every day while she's at college =), so i think i'll be okay with the power
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:34 PM   #13
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Also, Schnee, nice username for your first post.
lol do you mean "future proud owner"? if so, thanks!
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:40 PM   #14
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I drove an 04 G35 Coupe 6MT through three NJ/NY winters and an M6 06 GTO through one.

Be careful, learn how to control your car, and if you're getting an SS.....snow tires. Snow tires snow tires snow tires.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:40 PM   #15
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haha no, man. Schnee means snow in German. And I would highly recommend driving your pa's Ford in the bad stuff. Just remember to do two things:
1. Still take your camaro to an empty parking lot to 'get a feel' for its limits in inclement weather. That way, if you get caught out in it, you'll know what to do.
2. Remember that even 4WD is not the ultimate answer. If the sh%% goes down, and it's solid ice out there, NOTHING's moving. 4WD will get you up and over stuff, but in braking, all drive layouts are created equal all other factors equal. Be careful man.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:51 PM   #16
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Make sure you have an alternate method of transportation for when the weather gets bad. My GTO was practically undriveable the last bad snowstorm we had, partly because of the all season tires on my car. It's no fun for anyone when people have to push you at a stoplight. Which brings me to point the second:

Plan on getting some winter tires. Also see the first sentence of this post.
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:03 PM   #17
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Hey, this is my first post on the site, and I hope you guys can help me. I'm 16 and i'm looking at the camaro for my first car. Heres the only problem: the snow. My dad said I can get the camaro, but he said because its rear wheel drive it won't be as good in the snow, so i won't be able to drive it that much. My sister has a mustang (i don't buy into the whole rivalry, if its an awesome car, i like it ) and it is terrible in the snow... to the point of being undriveable. Does anyone know if the camaro is going to be any better in the snow? it only snows a few times badly a winter here in Jersey, but i wanna be able to drive it all year round... thanks guys
Sorry, bud but it going to be tough in the snow, parking and driving odds are you will have some diffuculty. I have a back up car in the winter for bad weather days, good luck. Put some sand bags in the trunk it will hurt gas mileage but it will help
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:18 PM   #18
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Hey, this is my first post on the site, and I hope you guys can help me. I'm 16 and i'm looking at the camaro for my first car. Heres the only problem: the snow. My dad said I can get the camaro, but he said because its rear wheel drive it won't be as good in the snow, so i won't be able to drive it that much. My sister has a mustang (i don't buy into the whole rivalry, if its an awesome car, i like it ) and it is terrible in the snow... to the point of being undriveable. Does anyone know if the camaro is going to be any better in the snow? it only snows a few times badly a winter here in Jersey, but i wanna be able to drive it all year round... thanks guys


Sorry but the fact of the matter is this. Both the Camaro and the Mustang are rear wheel drive vehicles and sports cars for that matter. Both light in the ass and will get all over the place. when I lived in Germany I owned a 2005 BMW M3. This was at the time a $69,000 car that was the ultimate driving machine for me. The first snow the car could have been considered retarded. I could not drive faster that say 5-8mph. In those conditions the car was not worth a shit and a death trap at that. If I were you I would get a vehicle like a pick up or SUV, jeep something that is good in all weather conditions and then get the camaro later. The camaro is a spring, summer , fall type of vehicle. The car is not desighned for doing the Canon Ball run across Alaska in the middle of winter.
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:56 PM   #19
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I'm not going to drive my Camaro in the winter, but thats because of rust not snow. Here's what I'm going to be doing. I will keep my car when I buy my Camaro, then store it ~8 months of the year. I will then drive it durring the winter and get the Camaro out for the spring/summer/fall.

Also, people managed to drive rwd cars in the winter for decades, before we had good winter tires, before we had traction control, before antilock brakes, before SUV sales took off. and no matter what you are in, if you can't drive your going to end up in a snow bank (or worse) durring the winter. I will say this though, a 300 hp V6 Camaro probably isn't a good choice for someone going through their first winter. An SS would be even less wise.
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The standard stability control and traction control combined with ABS will help quite a bit though. I've driven a rear-wheel drive car so equipped in the winter before, and it does make things a lot easier to handle. I remember coming up over a hill on a country road in the winter and there was a big unexpected patch of ice right in front of me at the upcoming T-intersection...on a simply wet road, I had the right braking distance, but with the ice, I would have been in serious danger of sliding through the intersection and going into the grass across from me (there wasn't any cross-traffic to worry about). But the ABS and traction control kicked in and stopped me perfectly at the stop sign.

Certainly not something you want to lean on as a crutch, but it can really help.
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Old 09-27-2008, 03:32 PM   #21
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Let's just say that if I can help it I'm keeping my 4-cylinder FWD Saab to drive in the winter. I'm sure I will love the Camaro but the Saab is damned stabile in snow.
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Old 09-27-2008, 04:31 PM   #22
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haha no, man. Schnee means snow in German. And I would highly recommend driving your pa's Ford in the bad stuff. Just remember to do two things:
1. Still take your camaro to an empty parking lot to 'get a feel' for its limits in inclement weather. That way, if you get caught out in it, you'll know what to do.
2. Remember that even 4WD is not the ultimate answer. If the sh%% goes down, and it's solid ice out there, NOTHING's moving. 4WD will get you up and over stuff, but in braking, all drive layouts are created equal all other factors equal. Be careful man.
lol i knew the meaning in german, didn't even cross my mind though

the thing is i would only be driving like two miles to school in the snow, so it wouldn't be an inconvenience to drive the ford. Except for going to school there wouldn't be a real reason to go outside, so i think the camaro would be nice in the garage . I don't even think it would be worth it to try it.
hopefully i'll go to college somewhere it doesn't snow alot.
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I have a question......

What did we all do 20+ years ago, when the majority of cars were RWD, there was no such thing as traction control, and if you were lucky 40% of the vehicle's weight was back there?

My first car was a 1985 Buick Regal. I drove it through 3 Cleveland winters in my late teens - early 20's. I can't remember ever getting stuck or wiping out. There were a few close ones, but I've had close ones with every FWD car I've owned since in the winters.

I don't think it's going to be all that bad with the Camaro.
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I have a question......

What did we all do 20+ years ago, when the majority of cars were RWD, there was no such thing as traction control, and if you were lucky 40% of the vehicle's weight was back there?

My first car was a 1985 Buick Regal. I drove it through 3 Cleveland winters in my late teens - early 20's. I can't remember ever getting stuck or wiping out. There were a few close ones, but I've had close ones with every FWD car I've owned since in the winters.

I don't think it's going to be all that bad with the Camaro.
Hello!!
I grew up learning to drive on RWD cars. I passed my driver's licence road test in the snow and it was the 1st time I'd ever driven in the stuff.
We had no such thing as FWD, AWD, 4WD, stabilitrak or traction control on cars... and nobody drove a truck. You made sure to put on the right tires before the snow started flying and learned how to use the throttle judiciously, and to always keep your front wheels straight rather than turned if you thought you were gonna run into difficulty with getting stuck. You knew how to "rock" out of a tough spot with a manual transmission. It's not rocket science.
The new Camaro ought to be a piece of cake in the snow with all the electronic assists, as long as you're not on summer tires. To this day I'm more comfortable in the snow and feel I have better control with a RWD car than with a FWD car. I even learned how to kick the ass end around in the snow (can you spell "donut") by hitting the throttle on our FWD minivan, but it's still not the same for me. A little left foot braking while hitting the throttle works wonders on a FWD vehicle.
AWD, 4WD is not a factor for me as I really have no need for it and can't justify the extra weight/cost/maintenance.
Don't let the fear of driving this car in the snow prevent you from getting one. When my boys were learning to drive, I insisted we go to an empty parking lot and "play" in the snow so they could feel and understand the car's limits and characteristics under these circumstances. A little practice goes a long way. They are both excellent foul-weather drivers and we had a blast together as they learned how to control the car!

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Old 09-27-2008, 10:32 PM   #25
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Being from NJ, my camaro will not be seeing snow. Thats why I keeping my truck. Ive driven a camaro and a mustang in the snow. If you take it slow and easy it should be fine but if you can get a second vehicle much the better.
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