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Old 09-27-2008, 06:52 PM   #1
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Dead pedal question for those who were at Indy

Question for those of you who actually sat in the cars and looked at the details......

Is the dead pedal a real dead pedal bolted into the floor, or is it molded into the floor board and coverd with the carpet and a piece of rubber?

And if it is just molded, is it at least substantial and usefull as a dead pedal should be?
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:35 PM   #2
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Looks like it's molded in.

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Old 09-27-2008, 10:32 PM   #3
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what do u even use a dead peddle for?
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Old 09-27-2008, 10:44 PM   #4
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what do u even use a dead peddle for?
During spirited driving, a proper dead pedal provides a spot for your left foot not just to rest, but to shift your body weight as you take hard corners so you stay upright, straight, and tight in your seat.

Most high performance cars have serious dead pedals, and they're worth it. Take a look at Porsches, Honda S2000, and many performance cars that aren't "high" performance have them. A good one is a sepparate pedal, thick, solid plastic, raised up about 6-8 inches and angled right so your foot is comfortable and not tilted one way or the other, and bolted into the floor very securely so it doesn't move at all. It also provides a perfect spot while you're shifting a stickshift for your left foot to not have to move very far. My Prelude has a real dead pedal, and I would hope the one in the Camaro is useable, functions properly (doesn't start to fold or flop as pressure is applied from my body weight shifting), and is at a good angle so my ankle doesn't hang down or is pushed too far back while it's on it.

Ask anyone who takes driving seriously..... a well designed dead pedal is a necessity.

The one in the Camaro doesn't look very usefull, but hopefully it is.

If Scott reads this, perhaps he can chime in on it's usefullness on the track and during spirited driving.
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Old 09-27-2008, 10:56 PM   #5
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Has anyone seen the pedals on the GTO? I'm kinda disappointed about the Camaro's in comparison.


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You can see that the GTOs are drilled aluminum. They come like that from the factory and are pretty cool looking. If the Camaro's looked like that and included a decent dead pedal (the gto didn't. at least the 05s they may have remedied that for 06) and improved upon the spacing, it'd be cooler. But I suppose the plain and functional look will do. Plus, you can always get different looking ones, right?
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:34 PM   #6
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I wouldn't doubt at all if there are pedal "upgrades" included in some interior appearance package.
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:36 PM   #7
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I wouldn't doubt at all if there are pedal "upgrades" included in some interior appearance package.

i Really hope there are
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:37 PM   #8
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That'd be cool. Not that it's a huge deal, but they just look cool. They were slippery when my shoes were wet though.
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:40 PM   #9
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I wouldn't doubt at all if there are pedal "upgrades" included in some interior appearance package.
GMPP has really stepped up their game with a lot of different options that used to only be available at Scion dealerships or the aftermarket. I can't wait to see what options are offered for the Camaro.
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:43 PM   #10
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I hope its molded in so it doesn't move around, I rest my foot on the dead pedal most of the time.
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Old 09-28-2008, 12:55 AM   #11
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the dead pedal in our VW Touareg is part of the floor paneling i think. all i can recall at the moment is that its fricken awesome. its at just the right height and angle.
hopefully the camaro measures up.
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Old 09-28-2008, 04:42 AM   #12
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The pedals though still have time to changes, seeings as it isn't production, and not really something that would require a lot of effort to alter. Right now it looks like they just have standard Chevy pedals.
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Old 09-28-2008, 09:47 AM   #13
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The pedals though still have time to changes, seeings as it isn't production, and not really something that would require a lot of effort to alter. Right now it looks like they just have standard Chevy pedals.
I don't know if they can change it or not. They already said they would not be changing some other things which would be a lot simpler to change and involve a lot less peripheral changes. (sheetmetal, carpet, etc.) I think they will refer you to the third party market for any modifications to the dead pedal.
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This is one of my pet peeves about the current Mustang. The "dead pedal" is just a part of the floor that was angled and covered in carpet. I want a real pedal there, not an incline.
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The (real) pedals are set. (don't know about the dead pedal though) This came up at Indy because there was a complaint about being able to heel/toe in the car. Al Oppenheiser said that there wasn't much they could do about it because of the locations of other components on/near the firewall pretty much determined where the pedals would be.
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Old 09-28-2008, 07:38 PM   #16
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The (real) pedals are set. (don't know about the dead pedal though) This came up at Indy because there was a complaint about being able to heel/toe in the car. Al Oppenheiser said that there wasn't much they could do about it because of the locations of other components on/near the firewall pretty much determined where the pedals would be.

But they could easily forge the angle of the metal brackets that the pedals attach to differently to pretty much any location, making that a poor and unacceptable excuse.

Look at a BMW..... the pedals are aligned and spaced perfectly for optimum heel and toe action, and yet the angles of the brackets go in crazy directions to go around the steering shaft and other components.
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Look at a BMW.....
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What? Don't you think it's fair to have such expectations for the Camaro? I think the details are where GM can really, REALLY win over import owners and import buyers. That includes proper spacing of the pedals and a true dead pedal....... DETAILS. So far I've been impressed overall with the Camaro, but these details and hearing such excuses from the engineers that "we couldn't space them closer due to the components and other blah blah blah" just irks me a bit. They could just redesign the pedal brackets at different angles to space them better, and it would cost all of about 2 cents to do so.

I'm not asking for the car to have 500 hp and cost $20k like some people initially did. I am asking for realistic attention to details that won't break the bank, but require just a smidge more work and study.
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Look at a BMW.....

Why?




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What? Don't you think it's fair to have such expectations for the Camaro? I think the details are where GM can really, REALLY win over import owners and import buyers. That includes proper spacing of the pedals and a true dead pedal....... DETAILS. So far I've been impressed overall with the Camaro, but these details and hearing such excuses from the engineers that "we couldn't space them closer due to the components and other blah blah blah" just irks me a bit. They could just redesign the pedal brackets at different angles to space them better, and it would cost all of about 2 cents to do so.

I'm not asking for the car to have 500 hp and cost $20k like some people initially did. I am asking for realistic attention to details that won't break the bank, but require just a smidge more work and study.
Yes, I absolutely think it's fair to have realistic yet high expectations for the Camaro. However, I also think it's fair to acknowledge that the engineers and designers who worked on this car actually DO know what they're doing. Because...they do. And they also care about what they're doing -- remember, many (if not all) of them are enthusiasts, too. That's one of the realizations I came back from Indy with -- these guys are just like us, but they were lucky enough to get to build the car.

I apologize, but I just get the rolling-eyes-syndrome whenever I hear someone call one of the team's responses an "excuse" as though they were lazy or whatnot, and then read alternate solutions as though the engineers hadn't already thought about it....and then the "BMW" statement put me over the edge a little...$40,000 "slow" bimmer v. stupid-fast $30,000 Camaro, ya' know?
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I apologize, but I just get the rolling-eyes-syndrome whenever I hear someone call one of the team's responses an "excuse" as though they were lazy or whatnot, and then read alternate solutions as though the engineers hadn't already thought about it....and then the "BMW" statement put me over the edge a little...$40,000 "slow" bimmer v. stupid-fast $30,000 Camaro, ya' know?
Okay, how about $30k fast Honda S2000 v. stupid-fast $30k Camaro......

All of a sudden, there's not much room to argue with that.
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You missed my point.
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