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Old 04-04-2010, 05:27 PM   #51
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LSA is what the new Z/28 is getting! Trust me.
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Old 04-13-2010, 03:54 PM   #52
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Old 04-13-2010, 04:27 PM   #53
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As much as I don't want it to be there is little other choice for a more powerful engine in GM's lineup over the L99/LS3 that isn't supercharged.

Vegas bets are on the LSA.
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Yes. Every powertrain combination needs to be certified and validated for each car.
Than how come the 2010 V6 wasn't certified until just now for the extra HP?
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Old 04-13-2010, 06:38 PM   #55
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Than how come the 2010 V6 wasn't certified until just now for the extra HP?
that is a very good question, and I don't know what the answer is.

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Old 04-30-2010, 07:36 PM   #56
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NO SUPERCHARGER!!!!! LS7 IS MORE THAN ENOUGH. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS...WHICH ENGINE LENDS ITS SELF FOR MORE AFTER MARKET MODIFICATION CHOICES, THE LSA OR THE LS7? ALSO, WHICH IS A BETTER ENGINE?
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Old 04-30-2010, 09:37 PM   #57
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NO SUPERCHARGER!!!!! LS7 IS MORE THAN ENOUGH. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS...WHICH ENGINE LENDS ITS SELF FOR MORE AFTER MARKET MODIFICATION CHOICES, THE LSA OR THE LS7? ALSO, WHICH IS A BETTER ENGINE?
LSA already supercharged. And probably has a beefier bottom end because of it.
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:06 AM   #58
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like i said before, i have a friend who works on it and won't say what kind of engine it is, but it IS supercharged. this is fact. i will eat crow if it comes out without a blower.
please please please beg him to build it with a LS7 with no blower! The LS7 can easily make 660hp at the crank as lingenfelter has proved, then a supercharger from all the aftermarket companies like Hennessey and lingenfelter will make it to kill z06's and maybe zr1's
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:40 AM   #59
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NO SUPERCHARGER!!!!! LS7 IS MORE THAN ENOUGH. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS...WHICH ENGINE LENDS ITS SELF FOR MORE AFTER MARKET MODIFICATION CHOICES, THE LSA OR THE LS7? ALSO, WHICH IS A BETTER ENGINE?
the LSA has more potential. the LS7's cylinder walls are too thin for some serious boosting. so it's limited on nitrous and boost. where as the lsa has thicker walls and can handle more boost.

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LSA already supercharged. And probably has a beefier bottom end because of it.
mainly the cylinder walls that I read about. the crank is pretty strong in the ls7 still.

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please please please beg him to build it with a LS7 with no blower! The LS7 can easily make 660hp at the crank as lingenfelter has proved, then a supercharger from all the aftermarket companies like Hennessey and lingenfelter will make it to kill z06's and maybe zr1's

refer above. for modability pray for the lsa. the LS7 is a great engine just not one that's as friendly to the aftermarket as the lsa.
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Old 05-26-2010, 02:20 PM   #60
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the LSA has more potential. the LS7's cylinder walls are too thin for some serious boosting. so it's limited on nitrous and boost. where as the lsa has thicker walls and can handle more boost.
On youtube if you search up chucks97ss in the search look at the Z06 it is taking 200 of nitrous, some forged internals and I think that engine will be fine.
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Old 05-26-2010, 02:31 PM   #61
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On youtube if you search up chucks97ss in the search look at the Z06 it is taking 200 of nitrous, some forged internals and I think that engine will be fine.
For how long?... GM decided the thicker walls of the 6.2 were what was needed to get to the powerlevel and poweradder they wanted. I think that's saying something.
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Old 05-26-2010, 04:59 PM   #62
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Everyone discussing the LS7 seems to be forgetting that it isn't slated for eternal production. I found an interesting story at Leftlane News for everyone to consider.
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:04 PM   #63
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:47 PM   #64
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This is another 6.2-liter, smallblock V8 with a supercharger. It also features an intercooler integrated into the intake manifold. This will be the motor going into the top-end Zeta platform cars. The most premium Camaro, probably called Z28, will get this motor.
Well Im hoping if the do produce the Z28 it has atleast 550HP to match GT500
Why make another 6.2 supercharged engine. Just stick with LSA and LS9 unless LS8 will replace LS3 for bottom of line V8 and LSA goes into Z28's and Z06s
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:51 PM   #65
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Everyone discussing the LS7 seems to be forgetting that it isn't slated for eternal production. I found an interesting story at Leftlane News for everyone to consider.
Eh... I don't know. That article has comments on it dated October of 2007. Things have probably changed since then.
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:52 PM   #66
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Well Im hoping if the do produce the Z28 it has atleast 550HP to match GT500
What makes you think the 2012 GT500 will only have 550hp?
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:03 PM   #67
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What makes you think the 2012 GT500 will only have 550hp?
Well I cant see the future so I have to go by what it has now.
though the rumors are of a twin turbo 600HP 5.0L (which wont be happening)
now that would be sweet.. big fan or turbos..

either way whatever gt500 has i think the Z28 should match.. need fair battle.. evens cars and leave it to a drivers race.. more exciting
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:13 PM   #68
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Well I cant see the future so I have to go by what it has now.
though the rumors are of a twin turbo 600HP 5.0L (which wont be happening)
now that would be sweet.. big fan or turbos..

either way whatever gt500 has i think the Z28 should match.. need fair battle.. evens cars and leave it to a drivers race.. more exciting
I agree completely. Drivers have a way of making cars that have no business performing the same do just that.

Of course, none of us can see the future, but it's always hard to hit a moving target. I imagine GM has a number in mind for the Z28 and is engineering everything to meet that goal. We can only hope they are not targeting the 2011 GT500, however, as I'm sure Ford is well aware that the Z28 is coming and is not likely to simply roll over and let the Z28 take the top spot in the ponycar segment without a fight.

We shall see and, as consumers, we will all be the better for it.
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I agree completely. Drivers have a way of making cars that have no business performing the same do just that.

Of course, none of us can see the future, but it's always hard to hit a moving target. I imagine GM has a number in mind for the Z28 and is engineering everything to meet that goal. We can only hope they are not targeting the 2011 GT500, however, as I'm sure Ford is well aware that the Z28 is coming and is not likely to simply roll over and let the Z28 take the top spot in the ponycar segment without a fight.

We shall see and, as consumers, we will all be the better for it.
If this war keeps up the Mustang GT and SS will both probably be at 600HP in 10yrs..
either that or they both cut weight
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:28 PM   #70
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I was talking to our Camaro club President who is a manager at a chevy dealership and he said that they were told that the Z28 will have non other than the LS9, do to the fact that GM has a contract with the engine builders of the LS9 to build x amount motors. The problem is the dealerships are not saling the ZR1,so they have a large stock of the LS9s with no car to put them in. So thats what they will put in the Z28. He also said it would be detuned, But did not specify hp. It will be offered in 2012. They don't want to hurt the convertible.
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Ha. If that happens, it should certainly surpass the GT500 in performance, but I think it would also mean it would significantly surpass it in MSRP, too.
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Ha. If that happens, it should certainly surpass the GT500 in performance, but I think it would also mean it would significantly surpass it in MSRP, too.
hahaha yeah..
i dont understand why though..
i got my 2.4L 4cyl from 222wHP stock to 380wHP. Ran it at that for 50K miles then at 420wHP for last 30K miles before I sold with no problems. Power mods only costed $5,200 on top of car..
so how hard is it to get a 5L or 6.2L engine to produce 510wHP (600HP)
put two of those 4cyl together u got 444wHP stock and 760wHP what I ran it at modded.. brand new the engine long block costed $1,800
I think ford and GM ripping us off LoL..

Has there been any new news on the Z28. Last I heard there was talks that GM might put it back in the works.
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:24 PM   #73
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What makes you think the 2012 GT500 will only have 550hp?
Even if it does, a 550hp Z28 will not take it. Too much weight difference now that the GT500 has gone to a aluminum block. Anything short of LS9 or tweaked up LSA will mean failure in my mind for the upcoming Z28. I just dont see how they could lose the weight out of the Z28 to match the GT500 without using exotic parts and driving the cost way up if using the stock LSA. If I were in charge of building this car I would have a target hp goal of 580-600 FWHP. I would also make it exactly the same cost as the Shelby and not a penny more. These would be the rules of succes for the new Z28 me thinks. No one is going to buy the new Z28 if it is not at least dead even with the GT500.(outside of total brand loyalty anyway) All this talk of a LS7 is something I dont want to see because it will for sure fall short. Could they make a 550hp-600hp LS7? Most certainly. Will it pass the new CAFE, emission, and mpg standards? most certainly not. The new motor will have to be supercharged or turbocharged in order to meet the hp and mpg, emission goals.
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Hey, I would buy the Z28 over the GT500 no matter if it's faster or not. I'm a Camaro guy all the way! When am I going to race a GT500 anyway? And even if the stars line up and I'm beside one at a red light, I probably wouldn't light 'em up 99 times out of a 100. Having 500+ HP under my right foot is going to be a blast no matter what! The Z28 will be a great car if they build it anywhere near what the rumors are. I for one, can't wait to see how it really ends up. Come on GM, quit screwing with us and give us some facts!
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I honestly hope that it is not supercharged. If it is...there will be such a large gap between the SS and the Z28 that I think it would seem out of place. I mean the SS already makes over 420 hp...if they give the Z28 500+..it would be like the GT500...the difference is...Ford doesn't currently make a car higher up in performance than the GT500...Chevy does. There's 3 different variants of the Corvette (C6, Z06, and ZR1). If they made the Z28 Camaro with 500+...I feel like there would be too much in brand competition and it would cost too much...but who knows. I think they should do what they did with the upper level 4th gen Camaros and just do added on SLP parts and give it a more aggressive tuning to put it around 450hp...but what do I know.
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