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Old 03-25-2010, 12:57 PM   #26
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Some Info on the alloy used to cast the block http://www.sfsa.org/tutorials/eng_block/GMBlock_11b.htm


it is definitely possible to run a FI setup on this motor and have it be stable and reliable.
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:37 PM   #27
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Opposite here... I'm holding out for a turbo! Had the centri on the last car... was cool.... but after driving a number of turbo cars... well... I won't be doing the centri again... I think we'll see a turbo well before we see any kind of roots-type blower... especially if you want an IC...

I can definately understand where you're coming from, but I've had turbos and SC's in the past myself, and SC's just suit me better. I'm willing to wait for what I want =)

Also, I've got a manual tranny, not an auto, and turbos just always seem to go so much better with autos than manuals (shifting and loss of spool\boost). Not to say a turbo wouldn't still be badass...power #'s would definately be higher on a turbo than sc.

That, and I love whine of a SC over the whistle of a TC


All that said, to the OP, I wouldn't wait on GM releasing their own twin-turbo. The loss you'll take on trade-in is likely to exceed the cost to do it all yourself, especially when you're going to almost definately want to replace those turbos with better aftermarket ones, get a bigger IC, intakes, exhausts, etc., when the wait and the overall final cost would be less if you just hold out for a quality tuned TT setup to be released for the LLT. My experience with factory-turbo'd GM vehicles is that you'll want more than you can get with the stock equipment. So why not build it how you want it yourself? (or at least get someone to do it the way you want it) I'd be surprised to see GM offer the TT setup for the Camaro before 2012/13, and more surprised if a better setup isn't readily available and tuned for the LLT before 2011/12 for a similar fee.

Then again, I could be wrong. In the end it's all about what you want and what you feel best suits you (and your wallet.)
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Old 03-26-2010, 01:24 PM   #28
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The "hold-up" to a genuine forced induction system for the LLT is simply the BoschBox. It hasn't been successfully "cracked', at least by the "aftermarket"...

We're still waiting for Leno's "promised" test drive he spoke of at SEMA...no youtube, no Leno's Garage, no nothing so far...which leads one to believe everyone is still wrestling with the BoschBox. The LF3 offers hope, but it alone will not be the direct answer for the LLT...

Without proper electronics, no matter how stout the basic LLT is, boost on top of 11.3:1 comp. is a recipe for disaster...

As to the likelihood of GM not going 10/10ths, that only makes sense. "Safety margin". "Warranty potential"...
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Old 03-26-2010, 02:35 PM   #29
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The "hold-up" to a genuine forced induction system for the LLT is simply the BoschBox. It hasn't been successfully "cracked', at least by the "aftermarket"...

We're still waiting for Leno's "promised" test drive he spoke of at SEMA...no youtube, no Leno's Garage, no nothing so far...which leads one to believe everyone is still wrestling with the BoschBox. The LF3 offers hope, but it alone will not be the direct answer for the LLT...

Without proper electronics, no matter how stout the basic LLT is, boost on top of 11.3:1 comp. is a recipe for disaster...

As to the likelihood of GM not going 10/10ths, that only makes sense. "Safety margin". "Warranty potential"...
Well, Vince at Trifecta has been offering tunes for the LLT for a while... And I believe Diablo also "cracked" the Bosch... the thing is there is no real big gains to be found with just a simple tune... it appears the factory calibration is pretty much optimized!

I know Vince was working on tuning a turbo car... i believe he hit a snag or two... I don't know if he's gotten past those... I haven't asked about it in a while...
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:01 PM   #30
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Its nice that the factory has optimized the tune.
Now, where do we go to actually get some performance gains? When I ordered the V-6 I figured performance parts would appear fairly soon. Now, it seems that the performance from the factory is pretty much it.
I mean a gain of a couple of horsepower and little torque seems to be possible, and is with headers, etc, but not much else without probably some major change.
I hope to see STS Turbo put something together that really has an impact on the performance.
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Old 03-27-2010, 01:50 AM   #31
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i thought the CTS guys were getting good results with a tune?
Was really surprised with our results to be honest
Oh and Twin turbo ftw
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