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Old 04-24-2010, 03:18 PM   #76
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whats CB? (catback?)
DT shorties and CB if I understand the first post correctly.
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This car was built in June
Mine to. Good to know the program is a go.

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When I get some cash together are you going to build mine Jeff ??????? Chris with the pizza place
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Wasnt it supposed to be a secret?

I just gott back last night from running to Wyoming to pick up a customers car.. WHY I OFFER THAT IS BEYOND ME..

I will be figuring out the build timeline, and seeing if I can juggle the cars to get it in, and done. I've gottta go to Socal on either tues or wed to drop off Steves car, so we'll do the best we can, but we just gotta make sure we can move the builds around without bumping other paid customers.


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Yeah, they are Doug Thorley shorties, and Doug Thorley catback, with full cats...

But shorties, historically dont really make any extra power on boosted LS cars over stock manifolds, and those cat backs are about as quite as they come. I would love to know if they actually make any extra power on stock cars..

People would be amazed at how well the stock manifolds actually flow. GM just has an uncanny way to cork them back up with pre-cats, cats, resinators, AND mufflers. What in the world were they thinking by adding not 1, but 4 restrictions on each side.... Those stock mufflers are the size of a 5 gallon drum.
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084 is the firmware you want. Any other one, and its wrong..

Also, this is a VERY important mental note.. The GM VIS system is WRONG. So far, 100% of every car that has beeen checked on GM's VIS system, has been inaccurate. We had a shop call GM customer service, AND 2 seperate dealerships. All 3 of them told the shop they had the latest firmware. They attempted to load the program, and it baked the PCM. Come to find out, GM's system is inaccurate. They only way to be sure, is to have your local dealer check it. Also, if you have a shop in your area that has HP tuners, they can scan the car real quick, and tell you what OS you have.

But as I stated previously, 100% of all KB programmers now have a failsafe built in. It does not load, or even attempt to load, until the programmer has pulled AND CHECKED your current OS. If you do not have the current OS, and your kit is already installed, we DO have a way to load your tune on your current OS. You just need to call and have the new programmer sent out.
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jeff, i did go to gm and they checked os, i did not have latest firmware . old firmware deleted and new firmware installed-12637084- 1-power launch calibration , 2-calib generic scan tool, 3 diagnostic calib, 4-proper speed ,onstar, 4-new software , 5-compressor protection...this is what latest update pertained to..my buddy did it and gave me all print outs and showed me all changes made..i,m ready. thanks again
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In time...

LOVE the numbers.

I wonder what I could get on my LS3 w/ Stainless LT's and 2" primaries.
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THANK YOU for the Lunch today!!

For you Vegas boys, You gotta try Rocco's Pizza.. Its argueably the best Pizza in town. I also helps that a Camaro5.com member owns the joint..




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SPANKT U, first let me say I hate you.

Man that is a BEAUTIFUL SC you got there!!! I hijacked Jeff for almost 2 hours after his shop was supposed to be closed talking about what I'm doing to my car now, and it is ALL YOUR FAULT!!!!

I had to come to Vegas for work and had to sneak in to check out the shop and of course see your ride. CONGRATS!!! The pictures of this kit, by no means do it justice. You have to see this thing first hand to really appreciate exactally what is bolted to the top of your engine.

Jeff,

Thanks for staying so late going over everything with me. That was very very cool!

I don't think I have ever been to a shop 30 minutes before closing and been given that kind of treatment. You are one hell of a class act!

I rolled into the shop at 5:30pm and out well after 7:30pm. Jeff went over all my concerns, ideas, questions and even took the time to show me the different parts and options so I could see exactally what to expect. That was great!

If anyone wants to take their Camaro, or anyother car for that matter, to a top notch operation, I can't think of anyone better then Jeff's shop TPE. What a shop! Nothing but Corvettes and Camaro's (and a Saturn, but I'll let that one slide ) and all either built or in the process of being HP MONSTERS!!!

Where else can you take your car to get all you can get out of it and squeeze in a game of pool, darts, Rock Band etc in the comfort of the shops game room? Seriously, nice touch! When he said he was right by the track, you can literally hit it with a rock, without throwing your arm out.

Anytime you can show up to a shop in a KIA Spectra (RENTAL) and get that kind of attention from the owner well after quitting time, you know your dealing with someone who takes care of the cars that he is working on. Very much a business that strives for customer satisfaction and will go way above and beyond to see that every customer is completely satisfied.

Just as soon as I can get the wife to let me play with the big boy toys, my baby will be in Jeff's hands. Soon, very soon........ whaaaa haaaa haaa.
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Based on what I learned tonight, and seen first hand from this shop, A LOT!!

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LOVE the numbers.

I wonder what I could get on my LS3 w/ Stainless LT's and 2" primaries.
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Based on what I learned tonight, and seen first hand from this shop, A LOT!!
Oh...I believe it....

Is it normal to go to bed dreaming about blowers???

I think I'm going nuts...
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Is it normal to go to bed dreaming about blowers???

I think I'm going nuts...
Your not alone.

I keep seeing that black and polished beauty and my bank acount going

But if I did it right now I would need your assistance, my wife would kill me!
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Its a sickness!! I have had it for many-a-year now! Thinking of go fast goodies during the day and night. My wife thinks its insane!
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I keep seeing that black and polished beauty and my bank acount going

But if I did it right now I would need your assistance, my wife would kill me!
Start by taking all the sharp objects out of the house. Plan on staying out of the house for at leassssst a week.
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That's because we ARE insane.

You can tell her, SHE IS RIGHT!
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Thank you SOOOOOOOO much for those kind words...

I'd love to say you were special, and I did it all for you, but I do it for all my Camaro customers... But you are special.... You came ALLLL the way out to the Las Vegas Motor Speedway just to see us. THANK YOU for that. I would have spent more time, had I not had to pick up my kid.

Also, thank you for the compliments on our shop. As you can see, we strive to set ourselves apart from other shops. We've seen shops where junk is literally piled on top of cars. We chose to go the more Botique style. This way, when were putting go fast parts on your car, you can be playing a game of pool, while cranking the tunes on the stereo..
But mainly, its because you trust us with a 50 thousand dollar car, then give us 1000's of dollars. We want you to know for certainty that were not some fly by night, hack shop, that "Claims" to do good work, then destroys your baby.. We make it so that you can comfortably sit all day at our shop, and watch us.

BTW, SHHHHHHHH, dont tell Steve about me giving you a little pucker factor drive in his car. I swear, we didnt get out of 3rd gear..... I went ahead and cleaned the seat after you had the accident. I wont tell anyone about the wet undies.. HAHA.

Feel free to stop by ANY TIME. You (and all Camaro5 members) are always welcome. Even if you just wanna come by and watch a movie in our man cave..


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BTW, SHHHHHHHH, dont tell Steve about me giving you a little pucker factor drive in his car. I swear, we didnt get out of 3rd gear..... I went ahead and cleaned the seat after you had the accident. I wont tell anyone about the wet undies.. HAHA.

Dang Jeff, you said you wouldn't bring that up again.




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Be carefull with that beast you got back last night! Anytime you make it south to the Riverside area, let me know. Jeff was a sissy and didn't want to go too fast.



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WHEW!!!! Just back from delivering Steves car about 30 min ago.. Needless to say, I got a call from Steve this morning when he was taking it to work.. Lets just say he likes it.. haha.

I think he said it took him within about 2 miliseconds after mashing the throttle, before he realized it was ALOT of power.. I let him explain more.. haha
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Owner's comments and review
Okay, I have had the car now for 3 days and have put a hundred or so miles on her so I thought I would share my comments on the results of the build.

Looks

First of all, I had several friends and acquaintances who were aware of the build and when I announce the vehicle was completed, most of them came over to see her. Without exception, when I opened the hood to my car, The remarks were 100% positive. There were comments ranging from "OMG", "Holy Sh@t" and a couple of buddies were only able to produce a quick intake of breath followed by a simple and elongated and indecipherable moaning sound..... Kinda gave me the creeps... The blower does look fantastic in there. It's like a monstrous diamond mounted on top of a platinum ring; you can't miss it and in the light, it does take your breath away.

Normal driving

When starting the car, it fires up just like normal, has a throatier sound (Thanks Jeff, I think you blew out some of the insulation in those Doug Thorley mufflers during dyno time. I was always disappointed that they were a bit too quiet to begin with and now they are almost perfect ) and instead of a jump in revs with a slow settling, it jumps and settles a much quicker. I'm thinking: Nice tune.

Stick it into first gear and slowly drive it around to warm it up and I notice a little bit of bucking. Not enough to be detrimental, but enough to be a little annoying. I think this is due to the larger injectors and fuel load-up when cold and/or at parking lot speeds (under 7MPH). It eventually warms up and the bucking gets less annoying. Okay, so I can live with a little bucking. Afterall, i just dumped 200+ RWHP on top of an already healthy motor. What did I expect? No changes? This isn't a Kia afterall...

So it's warmed up and I am driving it like a normal Camaro SS/RS (whatever Normal for a car like this is. I guess I should say I am driving it like a normal car, say; a KIA ). The power is smooth and feels like the car I was used to except the throttle response is WAY MORE eager, and you can just FEEL the power wanting to manifest itself.

Mind you, I have not dropped the gate and the blower is still mostly bypassing. It's a lot of fun even to drive around town still. I am feeling like a kid hiding some matches and an M-80 firecracker behind my back, hardly able to wait to get away from the house so I can go blow it off without Mom and Dad knowing!

Boost

Okay, So I get to a sufficiently deserted street and roll into the throttle with the Traction control off as well as the "Keep-your-car-right-side-up" button off. There are few words to describe the feeling of what took place and even less that wouldn't get me banned for at least a week on this Forum. When the gate slammed shut it was like someone let go of a bungie cord! INSTANT and ever increasing speed, never lightening up! I did not time it but it felt like I got to 100MPH in about 3 seconds!

My 15 year old son muttered his first profane word in my presence as the car took off like a rocket! His profanity was quickly followed by:

"This should be ILLEGAL!"

Now you need to understand the significance of his inappropriate comment so let me elaborate. I have raised my kids on high HP motorsports. We have been a fan of the sand dunes most of their lives and I have had more than my share of mid 5 to low 6 figure dollars sandcars: LS1 Whippled, LS2 KB'd, LS6 twin turboed, well, you get the idea....

These kids have been launched 7 feet in the air for up to sixty feet at a time, 15+ second wheelies up sand dunes, WOT pulls around Sand bowls as big as the Yankee stadium, and 70MPH runs through whoops that would rattle a Hummer to down to its basic components. What I am saying is that my son is not that easily impressed. But I digress....

During this first street pull, I was rolling around 15 so I started the pull in second. FORGET second! There is no hook up AT ALL in second! Just lots of blue smoke. I slam it into third and the wheels are STILL smoking but I can at least feel it grabbing a little. I hit the appropriate RPMs and dropped it into 4th. Okay, this is more like it! I have mostly hook up but every tiny little lift in the smooth road that causes even the slightest negative G puts the car back into wheel spin causing me to have to back off to get hookup again. OMG! Maybe my son is right and this SHOULD be illegal!

NOT!!

What a rush! I am VERY pleased and can't wait to eat that damn Roush P-51 Mustang down the street that blew my doors off the first week I got my Camaro (What did I know? afterall, I thought a Mustang was a Mustang? ) NOW, I can't wait introduce him to the meaning of resect! LOL! All in friendly good humor of course..

Combined driving

So I took it down to my office the next morning which entails a stretch of 35 miles of freeway driving. Unfortunately, no one was chumming for a Camaro that morning so I wasn't able to feed my Camaro her morning Mustang or Challenger for breakfast. I don't think she minded but I sure did... Where's a cocky MOPAR driver when you need one? J/K!

Anyway, it feels just like it used to on the freeway until you step into the throttle JUST enough that she starts to pull and then it's like an addiction. You just HAVE to keep rolling into that throttle!! You CAN'T HELP YOURSELF! You can't CONTROL IT! IT'S LIKE TWILIGHT ZONE OR LOOKING AT A TRAIN WRECK!!! MUST-HAVE-MORE!!!!!!! DAYUM! The SC kicks in and you are jerked back into your seat! What a feeling!

My neck hurts....



Negatives

1. DO NOT HORSE AROUND WITH YOUR SUPERCHARGER IF YOU ARE NOT IN COMP OR ALL COMPUTERS OFF MODE!! If you forget to push the button at least once the ABS makes the car feel like it's going into epileptic seizure trying to keep it from breaking loose and it never gives up! Please don't ask me how I know this... I wish someone could set up the programming so that it starts out in Competition mode instead of granny mode. That would be good.

2. I am going to have to replace the tires much more often.

3. I now have a new weak link in the half-shafts.. Heavy duty shafts are next on my list.

In short, I am very pleased with my blown Camaro and I believe I made a great choice in the Kenne Bell. In my opinion, it is the sexiest blower on the market and the response, both aesthetically and performance-wise is more than I expected. I hope she holds up!

Thanks Jeff for the great job in putting my Dragon-Lady together. I could not be happier! I hope you guys find this review useful if not a little entertaining.

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Very well said !!!!! and i have felt the "this should be illegalness" for a while now and it's awsome.
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So what were the final dyno numbers after the final tune?
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582rwhp 544rwtq @ 7.34psi.
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Spankt U, that write-up was a great read. Thanks for taking the time to post up your experiences. I would really like to join club K/B. Hopefully in the very near future.
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