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Old 03-23-2010, 12:28 PM   #1
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Question Ladies need help!!!

Hi guys, I'm asking this question for my friend who is not on the forum and I don't have a clue about anything that has to due with this issue, could someone please help?

Both my friend and I have a 2010 2SS/RS. Mine is still stock, but she has been having some mods done. She put in Long tube Headers and full exhaust and is wondering if they void the warranty and if not can the dealership fix the codes for the O2 sensors?

Thanks for your input, we really appreciate it!!!
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Old 03-23-2010, 12:36 PM   #2
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warrenty is gone thanks to the mods to the drivetrain, might as well get a tune to make the camaro better and get rid of the sensor error code
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she will have to have the car tuned.i would let a good speed shop do it.i forgot,consider her void.
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Exhaust mods do not void your warranty. Haven't heard of a dealer disabling the codes, but if you find a good one they might be able to. Usually the codes from longtubes are because of cat efficiency or o2 sensors. It's not a major problem, just an annoying check engine light. Any good tuner can disable those codes so they don't come on.
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Exhaust mods do not void your warranty. Haven't heard of a dealer disabling the codes, but if you find a good one they might be able to. Usually the codes from longtubes are because of cat efficiency or o2 sensors. It's not a major problem, just an annoying check engine light. Any good tuner can disable those codes so they don't come on.
my dealer told me that putting headers on would void it. but if you go in with a problem they would have to determine that the headers are what caused the problem
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Old 03-23-2010, 04:43 PM   #6
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I think they would spend more time trying to prove that it was the headers that caused the problem than actually fixing the problem

If it is a code for the O2 sensors, I can only deduce that they will "blame" it on the LTs...
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Old 03-23-2010, 04:58 PM   #7
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Exhaust mods do not void your warranty. Haven't heard of a dealer disabling the codes, but if you find a good one they might be able to. Usually the codes from longtubes are because of cat efficiency or o2 sensors. It's not a major problem, just an annoying check engine light. Any good tuner can disable those codes so they don't come on.
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my dealer told me that putting headers on would void it. but if you go in with a problem they would have to determine that the headers are what caused the problem
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Let's put it this way. If you have drivetrain problems and you have full exhaust, and headers good luck getting it covered under warranty. If they deny you, you will have a real battle on your hands.
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:33 PM   #9
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Have her get a tune from Jannetty and the code will go away plus you get the additional power !
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:06 PM   #10
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Exhaust mods do not void your warranty. Haven't heard of a dealer disabling the codes, but if you find a good one they might be able to. Usually the codes from longtubes are because of cat efficiency or o2 sensors. It's not a major problem, just an annoying check engine light. Any good tuner can disable those codes so they don't come on.
Relocating the cats is a violation of the Federal Clean Air Act. So yes, it can void your warranty.
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Please keep the information and opinions coming, she needs all the help she can get!!!

Thanks!!!
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Old 03-23-2010, 11:49 PM   #12
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Is it just me or are there 1.5 million threads on warranty voids when it comes to exhaust.. im "exhausted" by reading all of it! haha

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Old 03-24-2010, 01:32 AM   #13
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Is it just me or are there 1.5 million threads on warranty voids when it comes to exhaust.. im "exhausted" by reading all of it! haha

I agree - however there are LADIES asking this time, so of course all of us gentlemen are going to offer advice!

My 2 cents - warranty is gone, might as well tune, make other mods, etc. These LS3s are super strong until you do silly things like 12+ PSI supercharger on stock powdered rods and cast pistons , so personally I wasn't that worried about warranty before I did the LPE650 and now I again have a warranty covered by them. But you have to do some serious modding before I think reliability becomes a valid concern on these LS3s.
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Old 03-24-2010, 01:50 AM   #14
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Let's run a hypothetical situation here:

If "she" has an issue with the car, revert back to stock manifolds/cat's and put the original tune back into the PCM. Take it to the dealer and they will resolve the problem.

Enjoy the car with a full exhaust and tune in the mean time. :-D
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:05 AM   #15
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Let's run a hypothetical situation here:

If "she" has an issue with the car, revert back to stock manifolds/cat's and put the original tune back into the PCM. Take it to the dealer and they will resolve the problem.

Enjoy the car with a full exhaust and tune in the mean time. :-D

she could do it, but that can be more work than its worth. if it is an internal problem ie cam or valve springs then the headers and tune would have nothing to do with voiding gm from fixing the problem. they still have to prove that the modification you did is what caused the problem
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they still have to prove that the modification you did is what caused the problem
No, in the end you have to prove it if they deny it. This means going to court, court fees, lawyer fees. GM's lawyers will bring a crap load of information stating the car was not tested under these conditions and did not meet GM
certification. Seems like a big hassle. Bottom line, if you wanna play you gotta pay. Odds are though that nothing serious is gonna become of these mods and you'll be fine.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:13 AM   #17
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somewhere in past threads TAG's car showed a code after his long tubes were installed, he reset his computer (either battery disconnect - disconnect and touch positive and negative cables together for LS3 or fuse pull - L99 or both) and code disappeared.

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Old 03-24-2010, 08:31 AM   #18
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Deal with this local shop.- http://www.vengeancerd.com/

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I'm kind of tired of hearing people whine about warrenties.Be smart about warrentying something.Don't go in with an 02 code with headers installed or go in complaining about exhaust fume smell.
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Old 03-24-2010, 06:16 PM   #19
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somewhere in past threads TAG's car showed a code after his long tubes were installed, he reset his computer (either battery disconnect - disconnect and touch positive and negative cables together for LS3 or fuse pull - L99 or both) and code disappeared.
In my experience on other cars with wide band O2 sensors and the like, this method will demove the code, but that's only because this clears all of the car's self tests. Over the next 150 miles or so, the car starts running those same tests again, and when it can't get the results it desires, the light will normally come back on.

As stated, it is more of an uneasy annoyance than an actual indication that something is wrong with the engine.

And also as stated, this topic has definitely been beaten to death, on this forum and any other set of forums discussing the modification of cars with active warantees. I think while we educate on this topic, we should also provide education on the search feature of the threads to attain the answers to the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs). The only waiver to this is by the females posting self pics.
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the warranty coverage or lack of will come down to the dealer you deal with. legally speaking, your warranty in not voided. read the magnuson-moss warranty act. the headers/cats are not covered since they are aftermarket, your rear o2's they can argue that the hi-flow cats caused them to fail and it's a valid argument, not so for the front o2's. i would get a good tune on the car asap to ensure its running correctly to avoid any premature o2 issues, with a good tune your check engine issues will be addressed. nothing else is voided, there are ignorant dealers out there so get to know your service manager at the dealer you plan on using and build a relathionship with him.
i have 4 modded vehicles, 3 under warranty, all supercharged, 2 with long tubes, 1 with a cam as well, all lowered, never an issue with them, they even give me a heads up when the gm rep will be there just in case, when i scedule my appt.
it doesnt hurt having your car serviced by them either, i bring my own mobil1 for my oil changes, and they only charge me $23.00 for my oil changes, theres not much due on them otherwise for the first 50k so it's worth it to take my cars to them. if your a loyal customer they are more likely to help you out. remember those surveys you get on customer satisfaction, theres alot of money tied to those, every quarter if they are above zone average the dealer gets a nice chunk of change, most service advisors and service managers pay plans also have incentives or bonuses attached to these surveys and the dealer tracks these. i blew out my rear shocks on my lowered blown escalade and they took care of it no questions asked, i did see in my service history that i wasnt supposed to see, 4 perfect surveys returned in the comment area, they'll be getting a 5th perfect survey when i get it from gm. like the old saying goes, you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours.
hopefully this helps everyone out there.
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It's too bad more people are not informed enough to actually give helpful advice and information. There were a few true statements made in this thread:
1. Technically it is illegal to more the cats from threir original position (it is actually illegal to replace your exhaust with anything other than a "direct replacement" exhaust system.
2. Any dealer would have to prove that the added/replaced parts were the cause of whatever warrenty claim you have, beyond a doubt, in order to VOID your warrenty.

For the guy that said something about the drivetrain being changed with headers....... HUH?
The drive train is not part of the exhaust and is not touched when you add headers.

For the O2 issue, there are a few solutions for the code that many people on the board have been successful with. However to get rid of it the right way you should get a tune. Not only will this get rid of the error codes, it will also net you some extra horsepower. And YES, a tune is detectable and will void your warrenty. Please ask more questions and I encourage you to actually read the threads on this board to find the people that know what they are talking about before listening to them. Good luck.
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Per my selling dealer's Service manager any TUNE will void the power train warranty. It's not up to your specific dealer- All warranty claims are submitted to GM by the dealer and any payment/warranty decisions are made by GM, not the dealer. Also, once a tune is done, it can be removed, "but GM will always know it was done."
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Voiding your warranty is the wrong term anyway. They can refuse to perform a specific warranty repair if they can prove the modification led to the defect led to the failure. The rest of your warranty would still be intact. They can never refuse to fix a broken radio because you have had exhaust work done.

What's even better is..even with all those threads, I can't recall anyone here every posting they ACTUALLY had warranty service denied because of a mod.


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Voiding your warranty is the wrong term anyway. They can refuse to perform a specific warranty repair if they can prove the modification led to the defect led to the failure. The rest of your warranty would still be intact. They can never refuse to fix a broken radio because you have had exhaust work done.

What's even better is..even with all those threads, I can't recall anyone here every posting they had warranty service denied because of a mod.
Exactly, I'm not going to search the statutes but basically the dealer/GM would have to prove that the mods caused the specific problem for which they are denying service. Typically for exhaust most dealers don't care, if you go to one that tries to refuse you would win the fight but might as well just go to the next dealer.

Unless of course it's an exhaust problem you are trying to fix, O2 sensors would be one place they would refuse to fix. The O2 sensors are not reading right precisely because of the LT headers, you need a tune to deactivate the rear pair of sensors. You have 2 pairs of O2 sensors, one before the cats which measure the exhaust to make sure the engine has the right ratios, one pair after the cats to make sure the cats are working properly. She either has no cats now or high performance cats, if no cats obviously they are not working, if high performance cats they may or may not clean the exhaust sufficiently to read good. In any event the tuner will turn off the O2s behind the cats since the LTs should not work the same as factory anyway, why have a sensor that measures if the cats are working as the factory intended.
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