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Old 04-23-2010, 02:02 PM   #26
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I was there in the Pfadt booth, and watching some of the auto cross times, and it seemed the pfadt products did very well, taking number one and number two.

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Thanks for bringing this up Brandon. We had a great time at Camaro5 Fest and we'd certainly participate in another event so count us in for a shoot out.

Camaro5 Fest was not only a great event, but our suspension packages won FIRST in BOTH classes (race tire and street tire). Our facility at Miller Motorsports Park here in Utah, is a great starting point for all of our testing and winning both Autocross classes was quite an accomplishment. Our coil overs, sport sways and subframe mounts were were on the winning race tire class Camaro and our drop springs and sport sways were on the winning street tire class Camaro.

Race Tire Class
In the race tire class our Pfadt Coil Overs, Sport Sway Bars, and Rear Subframe mounts were installed by Cincy Speed. Our package provided optimal handling to turn well, put down power and handle brake dive. The stance was nice and low and the street ride quality is amazing.

Street Tire Class
In the street tire class our Pfadt Drop Springs and Sport Sway Bars were installed on the Torq Camaro. Proving that proper, poised handling is the result with all our products, Erik at Torq won the class.

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The Pfadt Development Camaro was also on hand to offer customer test drives. As a suspension engineering company, we have kept our Camaro completely stock with the exception of our suspension components. It is our philosophy that adding horsepower to our car would mask the results provided by our suspension components. Take a ride in the Pfadt Camaro and experience our suspension.

Check the pics of the Pfadt Development Car below.

We would love to take part in any event in the future. We are a suspension engineering company, that is what we are all about.

Our company is a true engineering company that takes the time to strategically provide solutions to components on the new Camaro chassis. We are not satisfied with simply having "a solution", but we want to make sure it is the strongest, lightest, best performing solution. We want to make sure our customers understand why we engineer our products to have certain features different from the competition, and how that will benefit you as the end user.

If you'd like a little more insight into our engineering approach and products, check out the videos of our testing, and the before and after differences.


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Will there be test drives or rides at the May 22 Pedders Day in Medina, OH?
The Medina police are STRICT. Drive in the area like you are being observed by the police, because you probably are. For that reason, I will delegate the test rides to Eric Johnson, owner of Back Street Performance, along with his dad Rich who is an SCCA SOLO Champ many times over and let him get tagged.

Yes we will get you out in a Pedderised car, but it will be at legal speed limits and a modest ride. We should ALL, including me, Save It For The TRACK.
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I did my first ever autocross in my V6 with Pedders XA coilovers at C5F. I got to make 4 passes with my car. Best time of 39.680 was better than a lot of the V8s there (and best V6 by a couple of seconds)!

I used Mike's alignment specs and setup info and was VERY pleased with the results! Keep in mind, that time was posted with stock P-Zeros as well!

The everyday ride quality is a bit stiffer for me since I run the dampening settings pretty high. When softened up the ride is supple and better than stock IMHO.

I am not new to suspension setup either. I've road raced motorcycles at a professional level so I'm fairly well versed in suspension setup.... probably more so than most. I can tell you, you will not be disappointed with this setup!

And if these XAs are too "mundane" for you, Pedders has a new version out with remote reservoirs that will suite any need up to and including professional level competition!

One of the guys at the fest shot some HD video, of my runs, that I will post here when he sends me the footage....

Big thanks to Mike (DMS) for the help with the setup! It ROCKS!

PS: I also had the fastest V6 1/4 mile time of the event at 14.37@96.51 (DA was +1978)



That is soo awesome, any more pics like of the rear end??
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Pedders has been in the suspension business for over 60 years. My partner, Scott Pedders has just finished 1st in the last few Aussie Rally Races. His dad was a racing champion and our founder was a racing champion. The Pedders Rally TEAM has been a fixture of the AU racing landscape for years and years. That experience is invaluable.

Our TEAM at our Head Office in AU has remarkable tenure. They have been groomed in the Pedders Way, some for generations. We use the latest greatest technology in our engineering and development process, but we rely very heavily on our in house experts and their feel for the vehicle once on the road or track.

In the USA we work with our Aussie TEAM and rely not only on my feel, but on the feedback we get from some of the best available professional drivers. I may well be a good driver, but I am not one of the best in the world by a long shot. People like Paul Tracy, Stan Wilson and Chris Brannon are far more competent behind the wheel than I am so we use their expertise to take our chassis development well beyond what 99.9% of our customers are capable of.

For this same reason, we upgrade EVERYTHING on the vehicle we can to increase on track speeds. RWHP, Brakes, Stickier Tires and add durability components to allow for longer track sessions. Only by pushing our chassis development beyond what our customers will do with their cars can we deliver a Pedders Experience to you. We already know what our suspension components will do at speeds NO OE Camaro is capable of. If we tested only at OE specification we would be testing at slower speeds than our customers drive on track. That isn't good enough for Pedders and it certainly isn't good enough for a Pedders client.

Pedders is the suspension company of choice for ALL the GM owned Camaros at SEMA 2009, for the Jay Leno Camaro, for the Camaros that will pace the 2010 Indianapolis 500. We are the suspension of choice for some of the finest custom Camaro builders around with Nickey, Berger, Fessler Moss and Yenko. Pedders is now the personal choice of Richard Petty for his Limited Edition Challengers. Pedders manufactures a custom range of coilovers for the all new 2010 and soon 2011 Saleen S281. We love working with our partners and look forward to working with you as a Pedders client.
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It was a very impromptu event at SEMA, where pedders got Paul Tracy to drive their car with 10xs the parts (and money) of several competitors heck...Hardly a challenge in reality, it was just a marketing event for company's with a good budget.
..... Are you saying Aaron doesn't know how to drive and he's broke???

(Sorry Aaron, cheap shot at your expense) I know Aaron can drive, and I'm sure he's doing fine financially.

If Aaron builds a GT car for the next challenge will you still be saying it's an impromptu event where Aaron out spent the competition, and the results are irrelevant?

I have respect for both companies putting out fine products, I just tend to agree more with Pedder's ideas of how to make the car better, and I've seen their product, it's top shelf. I don't have to belittle Pfadt to say that.

[edit] Just got done reading Aaron's fest auto-x post...
Alex: :"C5fest auto-x ringer"--- 'Whois Danny Popp?' (Good driving Mr. Popp) .... Soo.. I guess the fest auto-x was impromptu and irrelevant.
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..... Are you saying Aaron doesn't know how to drive and he's broke???

(Sorry Aaron, cheap shot at your expense) I know Aaron can drive, and I'm sure he's doing fine financially.

If Aaron builds a GT car for the next challenge will you still be saying it's an impromptu event where Aaron out spent the competition, and the results are irrelevant?

I have respect for both companies putting out fine products, I just tend to agree more with Pedder's ideas of how to make the car better, and I've seen their product, it's top shelf. I don't have to belittle Pfadt to say that.
No offense but if you would have compared the times, with the modifications done to both cars...It would be like telling a guy with a track prepped Z06 to go race Corvette racings cars around mid ohio, and beat them...

I wont get to much into it because it is irrelevant, but Pedder's car had over 150 plus wheel horsepower over the Pfadt car, and I would venture to say every bushing replaced in the car , and who knows what else, and add in a professional driver...Please help me with the fair fight here

I mean not to belittle Pedder's they have some good products, I do however mean to belittle the events relevance, and its true goal .

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Are you more informed then I am? Do you know the facts to compare the two cars at the event, from these two manufacturers...? It really is a common sense response to logical information. Maybe I am wrong, to each their own.

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Yes we will be have drive alongs, also free 28 point suspension inspections.
Pete from Pedders is scheduled to be here with his family that rides around in the Pedders daily driven Camaro. I just found out today that Mike White of Pedders will also be here doing Mike stuff.
Last year Mike save a life finding suspension problems on a car that we would not let leave until we corrected the problem.
We will have discount base line dyno runs, food, car show, and some of the participants are entertaining, so I guess you could say we will have entertainment as will.
It will be a great day.
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Here is a pic of our Camaro at CF5. It features the Pedders suspension, which includes lowering it a tad, which I think helps the looks a bunch.

It is setup for drag racing, seemed to do very well on the slick track at CF5, with 60' times in the 1.7s, with a best of a 1.68, 20s with drag radials.

We drive the car often in the hills and curves of Sothern Missouri, love how it handles and rides.

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No offense but if you would have compared the times, with the modifications done to both cars...It would be like telling a guy with a track prepped Z06 to go race Corvette racings cars around mid ohio, and beat them...

I wont get to much into it because it is irrelevant, but Pedder's car had over 150 plus wheel horsepower over the Pfadt car, and I would venture to say every bushing replaced in the car , and who knows what else, and add in a professional driver...Please help me with the fair fight here

I mean not to belittle Pedder's they have some good products, I do however mean to belittle the events relevance, and its true goal .



Are you more informed then I am? Do you know the facts to compare the two cars at the event, from these two manufacturers...? It really is a common sense response to logical information. Maybe I am wrong, to each their own.

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Never said it was a fair race

Pete was up front when he said he was attempting to compete on the ZR1 level, and many of us knew Pedders was ahead of the curve on R&D at the time... It was a gatling gun at a knife fight

..... I also imagine Aaron already has a cool gun scoped out for the next fight. In the end, we all win.

I'd just like to see everyone get along without the sharp sticks.
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Here is a pic of our Camaro at CF5. It features the Pedders suspension, which includes lowering it a tad, which I think helps the looks a bunch.

It is setup for drag racing, seemed to do very well on the slick track at CF5, with 60' times in the 1.7s, with a best of a 1.68, 20s with drag radials.

We drive the car often in the hills and curves of Sothern Missouri, love how it handles and rides.

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Nickey Camaros makes a off the chart great ride. You are so lucky to have such a jewel of a Camaro. Congrats

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Easy, the one that has parts available for their customers...
You are right about one thing. We can't make enough to satisfy demand. Even our parts move faster.
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Easy, the one that has parts available for their customers...
Pete you're all right (and to members please realize this is not a flame war of any sort, merely a salt thrown over the shoulder).

In perspective this is like a Verizon versus At&t debate for cell phone service, but in the Camaro suspension market.

Time and results will settle all debates (usually for the rational), so to not "hurt" to many feelings let us rejoice in the competitive nature in both companies, and top notch Pfadt products

Pete if the Pedders parts are moving at the rate claimed, maybe try to get the products out of East Asia faster...


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Jesus Christ.

Okay - after taking a deep breath and revising the message I almost sent, let me say that if the posts don't start cleaning up, this thread is going bye-bye. I can appreciate some fun sh*t talking, but this is starting to get rediculous. I'm hoping I'm looking into it too much, but if not

How about this thread turn around into trying to get all these companies together for a common shootout in the near future. No excuses. No BS. I love in the information I'm getting from this Section, but these threads are starting to turn into a bunch of bickering, and this is not going to contine. Please don't make the Admin'/Mods' take away as valuable resource as these threads. There are too many good products for us not to have knowledge of, but this is going to stop now

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Pete you're all right (and to members please realize this is not a flame war of any sort, merely a salt thrown over the shoulder).

In perspective this is like a Verizon versus At&t debate for cell phone service, but in the Camaro suspension market.

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Brandon,

Aaron is a class act. I would have him to the house for dinner any time he is in the area. He and I agreed that we would bang heads hard for business and not to cheap shot each other. We also agreed to watch our people and Dealers. If either of us felt things were not being done right, we would call each other to resolve it. So far so good. Hard fought fight, no below the belt punches, maybe a blow or two right at the bell, but nothing we can't live with. Life and business are both good.

I am sure you and I will meet. Hopefully we develop a relationship too. I'll be happy to buy the first beer. You never know, by the time dinner is over you could see the light and become a Pedders Dealer.
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Aaron is a class act. I would have him to the house for dinner any time he is in the area. He and I agreed that we would bang heads hard for business and not to cheap shot each other. We also agreed to watch our people and Dealers. If either of us felt things were not being done right, we would call each other to resolve it. So far so good. Hard fought fight, no below the belt punches, maybe a blow or two right at the bell, but nothing we can't live with. Life and business are both good.

I am sure you and I will meet. Hopefully we develop a relationship too. I'll be happy to buy the first beer. You never know, by the time dinner is over you could see the light and become a Pedders Dealer.
Lets show him the light in Ohio!! lol

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I'd really like to see the test on a stock car with stock tires. What suspension components will be tested? You can't have one guy come with springs and sways and another come with coilovers, sways, and bushings...everyone needs to be on an equal playing field.
We did that with Xa coilovers and radius bush inserts with Nickey last year. We ran in Joliet at the Autobahn using a completely stock new Camaro. We ran on OE tires and wheels to establish the baseline. The driver was the head instructor at the course. With the benchmark lap established we pulled into the garage and installed the Xa coilovers and radius bush inserts. Same car, same tires, same driver same day, virtually identical track conditions and the results were just over a 2 second reduction in lap times.

Because our built Camaro is so fast around the track the first benchmark test keeps slipping into a dark corner. We know that a full Pedders suspension is good for just over three full seconds. We know that we pull 1.38 Gs on street tire on a road course. That is what it is.

Here is the other item that constantly gets lost. Pedders does NOT make race parts. We make street part that are quiet with a civil ride that you'll love to drive every day. A Camaro is not a race car. It never will be unless you build one from scratch using a body in white. What you can build from a production car is a VERY fast street car that runs exceptionally well at a race track. Think about a F1 car. It weighs 1,500 pounds. It has HUGE the rubber. For a Camaro to have the same weight to tire ratio it would need TWO AND ONE HALF TIMES THE AMOUNT OF RUBBER A F1 CAR RUNS. Ain't gonna happen.

With less wheel and tire running the same relative coil / damper rates as the F1 car the Camaro would be ridiculously over sprung and over damped. It would chatter and slide in a hard corner running over most any imperfection in the track surface. It would over heat the tires and get lower on every lap as they melted into grease balls, but it would corner flat and look good in a video.

This is where Pedders STREET parts come into play. By being softer than what most would consider race parts, there is sufficient compliance for the suspension to work with the limited wheel and tire packages dictated by the OE body work. Pedders has a long history of racing in AU, but we sell to the street driving enthusiasts that want their handling to be track like, but with a daily driver comfortable ride. It is all about YOUR driving experience.

Let's assume that two companies had identical stellar track times. The cars drove great on track. Which suspension should you buy? You should buy the suspension that delivers the best daily driver ride quality. That is why we ALWAYS encourage you to take a ride in a Pedderised car before you buy. The eye popping numbers from the track are great, but it is the daily driver qualities (quiet, smooth, comfortable) that help you make you buying decision!

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This is just good ole fashion competition here, and I respect Pete and Mike, and the company and products they represent, although I am making an assumption (and god knows that it is dangerous to make rational assumptions these days) I believe they have a the same mutual feeling. So no worries Mr. Moderator

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