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Old 04-23-2010, 05:15 PM   #35
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Yes we will be have drive alongs, also free 28 point suspension inspections.
Pete from Pedders is scheduled to be here with his family that rides around in the Pedders daily driven Camaro. I just found out today that Mike White of Pedders will also be here doing Mike stuff.
Last year Mike save a life finding suspension problems on a car that we would not let leave until we corrected the problem.
We will have discount base line dyno runs, food, car show, and some of the participants are entertaining, so I guess you could say we will have entertainment as will.
It will be a great day.
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Old 04-23-2010, 05:39 PM   #36
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Here is a pic of our Camaro at CF5. It features the Pedders suspension, which includes lowering it a tad, which I think helps the looks a bunch.

It is setup for drag racing, seemed to do very well on the slick track at CF5, with 60' times in the 1.7s, with a best of a 1.68, 20s with drag radials.

We drive the car often in the hills and curves of Sothern Missouri, love how it handles and rides.

I give Pedders

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Old 04-23-2010, 06:53 PM   #37
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No offense but if you would have compared the times, with the modifications done to both cars...It would be like telling a guy with a track prepped Z06 to go race Corvette racings cars around mid ohio, and beat them...

I wont get to much into it because it is irrelevant, but Pedder's car had over 150 plus wheel horsepower over the Pfadt car, and I would venture to say every bushing replaced in the car , and who knows what else, and add in a professional driver...Please help me with the fair fight here

I mean not to belittle Pedder's they have some good products, I do however mean to belittle the events relevance, and its true goal .



Are you more informed then I am? Do you know the facts to compare the two cars at the event, from these two manufacturers...? It really is a common sense response to logical information. Maybe I am wrong, to each their own.

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Never said it was a fair race

Pete was up front when he said he was attempting to compete on the ZR1 level, and many of us knew Pedders was ahead of the curve on R&D at the time... It was a gatling gun at a knife fight

..... I also imagine Aaron already has a cool gun scoped out for the next fight. In the end, we all win.

I'd just like to see everyone get along without the sharp sticks.
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Old 04-23-2010, 07:03 PM   #38
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Here is a pic of our Camaro at CF5. It features the Pedders suspension, which includes lowering it a tad, which I think helps the looks a bunch.

It is setup for drag racing, seemed to do very well on the slick track at CF5, with 60' times in the 1.7s, with a best of a 1.68, 20s with drag radials.

We drive the car often in the hills and curves of Sothern Missouri, love how it handles and rides.

I give Pedders

And we give YENKO
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Old 04-23-2010, 07:15 PM   #39
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And we give YENKO
Nickey Camaros makes a off the chart great ride. You are so lucky to have such a jewel of a Camaro. Congrats

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Old 04-23-2010, 08:23 PM   #40
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IF GIVEN ONE OF THESE CAMAROS, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU WANT?




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Old 04-23-2010, 09:26 PM   #41
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Easy, the one that has parts available for their customers...

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Old 04-23-2010, 10:29 PM   #42
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Easy, the one that has parts available for their customers...
You are right about one thing. We can't make enough to satisfy demand. Even our parts move faster.
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Old 04-24-2010, 08:41 AM   #43
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Easy, the one that has parts available for their customers...
Pete you're all right (and to members please realize this is not a flame war of any sort, merely a salt thrown over the shoulder).

In perspective this is like a Verizon versus At&t debate for cell phone service, but in the Camaro suspension market.

Time and results will settle all debates (usually for the rational), so to not "hurt" to many feelings let us rejoice in the competitive nature in both companies, and top notch Pfadt products

Pete if the Pedders parts are moving at the rate claimed, maybe try to get the products out of East Asia faster...


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Old 04-24-2010, 11:22 AM   #44
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Jesus Christ.

Okay - after taking a deep breath and revising the message I almost sent, let me say that if the posts don't start cleaning up, this thread is going bye-bye. I can appreciate some fun sh*t talking, but this is starting to get rediculous. I'm hoping I'm looking into it too much, but if not

How about this thread turn around into trying to get all these companies together for a common shootout in the near future. No excuses. No BS. I love in the information I'm getting from this Section, but these threads are starting to turn into a bunch of bickering, and this is not going to contine. Please don't make the Admin'/Mods' take away as valuable resource as these threads. There are too many good products for us not to have knowledge of, but this is going to stop now

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So how is the weather out your way?
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My weather is great!! Perfect weather to watch the grape vines grow in all the vineyards around my house.

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Pete you're all right (and to members please realize this is not a flame war of any sort, merely a salt thrown over the shoulder).

In perspective this is like a Verizon versus At&t debate for cell phone service, but in the Camaro suspension market.

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Brandon,

Aaron is a class act. I would have him to the house for dinner any time he is in the area. He and I agreed that we would bang heads hard for business and not to cheap shot each other. We also agreed to watch our people and Dealers. If either of us felt things were not being done right, we would call each other to resolve it. So far so good. Hard fought fight, no below the belt punches, maybe a blow or two right at the bell, but nothing we can't live with. Life and business are both good.

I am sure you and I will meet. Hopefully we develop a relationship too. I'll be happy to buy the first beer. You never know, by the time dinner is over you could see the light and become a Pedders Dealer.
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Brandon,

Aaron is a class act. I would have him to the house for dinner any time he is in the area. He and I agreed that we would bang heads hard for business and not to cheap shot each other. We also agreed to watch our people and Dealers. If either of us felt things were not being done right, we would call each other to resolve it. So far so good. Hard fought fight, no below the belt punches, maybe a blow or two right at the bell, but nothing we can't live with. Life and business are both good.

I am sure you and I will meet. Hopefully we develop a relationship too. I'll be happy to buy the first beer. You never know, by the time dinner is over you could see the light and become a Pedders Dealer.
Lets show him the light in Ohio!! lol

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I'd really like to see the test on a stock car with stock tires. What suspension components will be tested? You can't have one guy come with springs and sways and another come with coilovers, sways, and bushings...everyone needs to be on an equal playing field.
We did that with Xa coilovers and radius bush inserts with Nickey last year. We ran in Joliet at the Autobahn using a completely stock new Camaro. We ran on OE tires and wheels to establish the baseline. The driver was the head instructor at the course. With the benchmark lap established we pulled into the garage and installed the Xa coilovers and radius bush inserts. Same car, same tires, same driver same day, virtually identical track conditions and the results were just over a 2 second reduction in lap times.

Because our built Camaro is so fast around the track the first benchmark test keeps slipping into a dark corner. We know that a full Pedders suspension is good for just over three full seconds. We know that we pull 1.38 Gs on street tire on a road course. That is what it is.

Here is the other item that constantly gets lost. Pedders does NOT make race parts. We make street part that are quiet with a civil ride that you'll love to drive every day. A Camaro is not a race car. It never will be unless you build one from scratch using a body in white. What you can build from a production car is a VERY fast street car that runs exceptionally well at a race track. Think about a F1 car. It weighs 1,500 pounds. It has HUGE the rubber. For a Camaro to have the same weight to tire ratio it would need TWO AND ONE HALF TIMES THE AMOUNT OF RUBBER A F1 CAR RUNS. Ain't gonna happen.

With less wheel and tire running the same relative coil / damper rates as the F1 car the Camaro would be ridiculously over sprung and over damped. It would chatter and slide in a hard corner running over most any imperfection in the track surface. It would over heat the tires and get lower on every lap as they melted into grease balls, but it would corner flat and look good in a video.

This is where Pedders STREET parts come into play. By being softer than what most would consider race parts, there is sufficient compliance for the suspension to work with the limited wheel and tire packages dictated by the OE body work. Pedders has a long history of racing in AU, but we sell to the street driving enthusiasts that want their handling to be track like, but with a daily driver comfortable ride. It is all about YOUR driving experience.

Let's assume that two companies had identical stellar track times. The cars drove great on track. Which suspension should you buy? You should buy the suspension that delivers the best daily driver ride quality. That is why we ALWAYS encourage you to take a ride in a Pedderised car before you buy. The eye popping numbers from the track are great, but it is the daily driver qualities (quiet, smooth, comfortable) that help you make you buying decision!

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Lets show him the light in Ohio!! lol

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This is just good ole fashion competition here, and I respect Pete and Mike, and the company and products they represent, although I am making an assumption (and god knows that it is dangerous to make rational assumptions these days) I believe they have a the same mutual feeling. So no worries Mr. Moderator

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